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Anonymous wrote:^ And to add, this isn't only in the world of music. The most successful actors / movies aren't necessarily the most talented actors out there either. Nor are the most successful people the best and most talented either.

Taylor, Kardashians, Jerry Seinfeld, Elon Musk, Drake. Lots of ways to have great career success without being all that talented.

Jerry Seinfeld wrote one of the most successful sitcoms of all time. It was innovative and unique. Yes, he is talented, as is Taylor.

Seinfeld wasn’t popular until it was squeezed between Friends and ER. It was first on Tuesday night, then Wednesday and finally Thursday. I see Friends is on all day on TBS, The Big Bang at night and Friends on Nik at night. I barely see Seinfeld anywhere. Seinfeld is a clear example of being at the right place, the right time for success. It really isn’t that funny.

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Anonymous wrote:It did leak and it's interesting to say the least. She's much kinder to Joe then people were expecting. He suffers from major depression. Most of the songs were about Matt unfortunately.

She also says she's a functional alcoholic which some clocked.

It’s so shitty to out someone for that . Of course it’s always the man with the issues and never her. She will be in serious trouble if that man commits suicide because of the crazy Swifties going after him

I agree with this. trashing ex boyfriends was cute when she was college aged and established older actors like Jake gylenhaal and John Mayer were taking gross advantage of a 20 year old, but now it’s 15 years later and she’s still doing the same shtick of very clearly airing dirty laundry and throwing her ex boyfriends - some of whom were serious relationships - under the bus. Doing this every six months in her mid thirties strikes me as juvenile and emotionally stunted. It’s like she’s addicted to the break ups/relationships for the content and I think it’s super weird.

Eh, I just read an article that Joe made several million bucks off of Taylor‘s albums that he co-wrote some of the songs during lockdown.

It’s hard to feel too sorry for him. He knew what he was getting into dating the absolute number one pop star on earth. They got together in 2017. She was an absolute global phenomenon at that point. She had a phase where she backed off the public for a while but come on. They dated during her reputation tour, which was huge.

I’m sure he’s not complaining about the residuals he will get the rest of his life.

I think the issue is he is a Trump supporter and her fans were disappointed she would date him especially after her progressive Lover album.

By calling them vipers, she definitely making a bold claim about her man and her politics. The rumor before the Lover album was Taylor was Republican because she didn’t support Hillary in 2016 and stayed mum the entire election season.

She should’ve never done the virtue signaling and stayed apolitical. Calling her fans vipers because they didn’t like her MAGA boyfriend is hilarious . Taylor is unintentionally funny to me

So are all just gonna ignore this crazy post?
No one wanna comment in this?

Ok I don’t find it crazy. I think Daddy I love him is about her fans.
She calls her fans vipers and something about sanctimony and empaths.
Maybe she is MAGA, she clearly was madly in love with a racist.

Who is the racist? Why are they a racist?

Anonymous wrote:What a complainer.

She created the parasocial relationship. She did this to herself. “Wine moms” is insulting. No, I don’t drink wine.


“ I’ll tell you something about my good name / It’s mine alone to disgrace / I don’t cater to all these vipers dressed in empath’s clothing,” she sings. “God save the most judgmental creeps / Who say they want what’s best for me / Sanctimoniously performing soliloquies I’ll never see / Thinking it can change the beat of my heart when he touches me / And counteract the chemistry.”

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Anonymous wrote:She is not a particularly talented singer but she has managed to become very talented in writing breakup songs that appeal to teens. She has surrounded her herself with a good team and has parents with connection and money and the willingness to back her.

Fame and fortune is a bit random. It isn't directly connected to skill or talent or even effort. Most of it is luck plus having the right people around you and the money and connections to make it happen. If you look back over history, this is nothing new.

She is the Kardashian of music. Kind of why she fights with them so much. They both created products that sold and had the people around them to make it all happen.

Minimizing her career and what she’s accomplished this way is crazy. Just screams insecure.

I am not minimizing her success. She has been wildly successful. I just don't think that everyone who is successful achieved that success on talent, including Taylor and many others. I can find 100s of better singers on youtube, talent wise. They aren't wildly successful but when it comes to music talent, they have it. Talent and success aren't directly linked. Just like I don't think the Kardaishains are all that talented despite also being wildly successful. Once you are a product or brand and have success with that product/brand, you can sell anything and it will be bought, no matter what quality it is. Be it an album or a lipstick or a perfume.

Almost every artist in the world disagrees with you. She writes around songs she plays her own music. She does four hour concerts.

She’s not a brand she’s Amazing

I think you mean every tween and teen disagrees. Millions of people write and sing their own songs - probably hundreds of millions - and would play four hour concerts if given the chance. No one with exposure to actual music nor many artists think she is anything but a sucessful brand. Sure 12 year olds think Taylor is the greatest ever and that is due to her talent. Go listen to some R and B and Jazz singers and then come back and tell me that "Shake it Off" is the peak of musical genius and talent.

No, real artists think she’s unbelievably successful. Billy Joel, Paul McCartney, rock bands are amazed at her ability to write songs, perform, play instruments.

my son is a jazz pianist. Jazz musicians, love her music.

Even John Baptiste writes some “shake it off” types of songs.

Also there’s no musician on the face of the earth that doesn’t have a couple songs that some people don’t like.

Where is the space for people who hate her talk singing? Cause I need to be in it.

Sadly, that space is blank. But she’ll write your name.

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Anonymous wrote:It did leak and it's interesting to say the least. She's much kinder to Joe then people were expecting. He suffers from major depression. Most of the songs were about Matt unfortunately.

She also says she's a functional alcoholic which some clocked.

It’s so shitty to out someone for that . Of course it’s always the man with the issues and never her. She will be in serious trouble if that man commits suicide because of the crazy Swifties going after him

Isn’t Joe from England? Doubt he would be MAGA.
I agree with this. trashing ex boyfriends was cute when she was college aged and established older actors like Jake gylenhaal and John Mayer were taking gross advantage of a 20 year old, but now it’s 15 years later and she’s still doing the same shtick of very clearly airing dirty laundry and throwing her ex boyfriends - some of whom were serious relationships - under the bus. Doing this every six months in her mid thirties strikes me as juvenile and emotionally stunted. It’s like she’s addicted to the break ups/relationships for the content and I think it’s super weird.

Eh, I just read an article that Joe made several million bucks off of Taylor‘s albums that he co-wrote some of the songs during lockdown.

It’s hard to feel too sorry for him. He knew what he was getting into dating the absolute number one pop star on earth. They got together in 2017. She was an absolute global phenomenon at that point. She had a phase where she backed off the public for a while but come on. They dated during her reputation tour, which was huge.

I’m sure he’s not complaining about the residuals he will get the rest of his life.

I think the issue is he is a Trump supporter and her fans were disappointed she would date him especially after her progressive Lover album.

By calling them vipers, she definitely making a bold claim about her man and her politics. The rumor before the Lover album was Taylor was Republican because she didn’t support Hillary in 2016 and stayed mum the entire election season.

She should’ve never done the virtue signaling and stayed apolitical. Calling her fans vipers because they didn’t like her MAGA boyfriend is hilarious . Taylor is unintentionally funny to me

So are all just gonna ignore this crazy post?
No one wanna comment in this?

Ok I don’t find it crazy. I think Daddy I love him is about her fans.
She calls her fans vipers and something about sanctimony and empaths.
Maybe she is MAGA, she clearly was madly in love with a racist.

Wait. Now Taylor is MAGA?
who was being referred to as MAGA before? Joe? Is the pp sayin Joe was MAGA?

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Anonymous wrote:It did leak and it's interesting to say the least. She's much kinder to Joe then people were expecting. He suffers from major depression. Most of the songs were about Matt unfortunately.

She also says she's a functional alcoholic which some clocked.

It’s so shitty to out someone for that . Of course it’s always the man with the issues and never her. She will be in serious trouble if that man commits suicide because of the crazy Swifties going after him

I agree with this. trashing ex boyfriends was cute when she was college aged and established older actors like Jake gylenhaal and John Mayer were taking gross advantage of a 20 year old, but now it’s 15 years later and she’s still doing the same shtick of very clearly airing dirty laundry and throwing her ex boyfriends - some of whom were serious relationships - under the bus. Doing this every six months in her mid thirties strikes me as juvenile and emotionally stunted. It’s like she’s addicted to the break ups/relationships for the content and I think it’s super weird.

Eh, I just read an article that Joe made several million bucks off of Taylor‘s albums that he co-wrote some of the songs during lockdown.

It’s hard to feel too sorry for him. He knew what he was getting into dating the absolute number one pop star on earth. They got together in 2017. She was an absolute global phenomenon at that point. She had a phase where she backed off the public for a while but come on. They dated during her reputation tour, which was huge.

I’m sure he’s not complaining about the residuals he will get the rest of his life.

I think the issue is he is a Trump supporter and her fans were disappointed she would date him especially after her progressive Lover album.

By calling them vipers, she definitely making a bold claim about her man and her politics. The rumor before the Lover album was Taylor was Republican because she didn’t support Hillary in 2016 and stayed mum the entire election season.

She should’ve never done the virtue signaling and stayed apolitical. Calling her fans vipers because they didn’t like her MAGA boyfriend is hilarious . Taylor is unintentionally funny to me

So are all just gonna ignore this crazy post?
No one wanna comment in this?

Ok I don’t find it crazy. I think Daddy I love him is about her fans.
She calls her fans vipers and something about sanctimony and empaths.
Maybe she is MAGA, she clearly was madly in love with a racist.

It’s interesting. I think it’s about every girl that dated the wrong guy and what she says to her best friends and her dad who tell her he’s the wrong guy.. and she still doesn’t listen.

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Anonymous wrote:It did leak and it's interesting to say the least. She's much kinder to Joe then people were expecting. He suffers from major depression. Most of the songs were about Matt unfortunately.

She also says she's a functional alcoholic which some clocked.

It’s so shitty to out someone for that . Of course it’s always the man with the issues and never her. She will be in serious trouble if that man commits suicide because of the crazy Swifties going after him

I agree with this. trashing ex boyfriends was cute when she was college aged and established older actors like Jake gylenhaal and John Mayer were taking gross advantage of a 20 year old, but now it’s 15 years later and she’s still doing the same shtick of very clearly airing dirty laundry and throwing her ex boyfriends - some of whom were serious relationships - under the bus. Doing this every six months in her mid thirties strikes me as juvenile and emotionally stunted. It’s like she’s addicted to the break ups/relationships for the content and I think it’s super weird.

Eh, I just read an article that Joe made several million bucks off of Taylor‘s albums that he co-wrote some of the songs during lockdown.

It’s hard to feel too sorry for him. He knew what he was getting into dating the absolute number one pop star on earth. They got together in 2017. She was an absolute global phenomenon at that point. She had a phase where she backed off the public for a while but come on. They dated during her reputation tour, which was huge.

I’m sure he’s not complaining about the residuals he will get the rest of his life.

I think the issue is he is a Trump supporter and her fans were disappointed she would date him especially after her progressive Lover album.

By calling them vipers, she definitely making a bold claim about her man and her politics. The rumor before the Lover album was Taylor was Republican because she didn’t support Hillary in 2016 and stayed mum the entire election season.

She should’ve never done the virtue signaling and stayed apolitical. Calling her fans vipers because they didn’t like her MAGA boyfriend is hilarious . Taylor is unintentionally funny to me

So are all just gonna ignore this crazy post?
No one wanna comment in this?

Ok I don’t find it crazy. I think Daddy I love him is about her fans.
She calls her fans vipers and something about sanctimony and empaths.
Maybe she is MAGA, she clearly was madly in love with a racist.

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Anonymous wrote:It did leak and it's interesting to say the least. She's much kinder to Joe then people were expecting. He suffers from major depression. Most of the songs were about Matt unfortunately.

She also says she's a functional alcoholic which some clocked.

It’s so shitty to out someone for that . Of course it’s always the man with the issues and never her. She will be in serious trouble if that man commits suicide because of the crazy Swifties going after him

I agree with this. trashing ex boyfriends was cute when she was college aged and established older actors like Jake gylenhaal and John Mayer were taking gross advantage of a 20 year old, but now it’s 15 years later and she’s still doing the same shtick of very clearly airing dirty laundry and throwing her ex boyfriends - some of whom were serious relationships - under the bus. Doing this every six months in her mid thirties strikes me as juvenile and emotionally stunted. It’s like she’s addicted to the break ups/relationships for the content and I think it’s super weird.

Eh, I just read an article that Joe made several million bucks off of Taylor‘s albums that he co-wrote some of the songs during lockdown.

It’s hard to feel too sorry for him. He knew what he was getting into dating the absolute number one pop star on earth. They got together in 2017. She was an absolute global phenomenon at that point. She had a phase where she backed off the public for a while but come on. They dated during her reputation tour, which was huge.

I’m sure he’s not complaining about the residuals he will get the rest of his life.

I think the issue is he is a Trump supporter and her fans were disappointed she would date him especially after her progressive Lover album.

By calling them vipers, she definitely making a bold claim about her man and her politics. The rumor before the Lover album was Taylor was Republican because she didn’t support Hillary in 2016 and stayed mum the entire election season.

She should’ve never done the virtue signaling and stayed apolitical. Calling her fans vipers because they didn’t like her MAGA boyfriend is hilarious . Taylor is unintentionally funny to me

So are all just gonna ignore this crazy post?
No one wanna comment in this?

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Anonymous wrote:She is not a particularly talented singer but she has managed to become very talented in writing breakup songs that appeal to teens. She has surrounded her herself with a good team and has parents with connection and money and the willingness to back her.

Fame and fortune is a bit random. It isn't directly connected to skill or talent or even effort. Most of it is luck plus having the right people around you and the money and connections to make it happen. If you look back over history, this is nothing new.

She is the Kardashian of music. Kind of why she fights with them so much. They both created products that sold and had the people around them to make it all happen.

Minimizing her career and what she’s accomplished this way is crazy. Just screams insecure.

I am not minimizing her success. She has been wildly successful. I just don't think that everyone who is successful achieved that success on talent, including Taylor and many others. I can find 100s of better singers on youtube, talent wise. They aren't wildly successful but when it comes to music talent, they have it. Talent and success aren't directly linked. Just like I don't think the Kardaishains are all that talented despite also being wildly successful. Once you are a product or brand and have success with that product/brand, you can sell anything and it will be bought, no matter what quality it is. Be it an album or a lipstick or a perfume.

This is true and saying so doesn’t smack of “insecurity.”

Some will love everything Taylor does. We are in the fog of Taylor (like fog of war), and only time will tell if the songs hold up.

DP

They’ve already held up

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Anonymous wrote:She is not a particularly talented singer but she has managed to become very talented in writing breakup songs that appeal to teens. She has surrounded her herself with a good team and has parents with connection and money and the willingness to back her.

Fame and fortune is a bit random. It isn't directly connected to skill or talent or even effort. Most of it is luck plus having the right people around you and the money and connections to make it happen. If you look back over history, this is nothing new.

She is the Kardashian of music. Kind of why she fights with them so much. They both created products that sold and had the people around them to make it all happen.

Minimizing her career and what she’s accomplished this way is crazy. Just screams insecure.

I am not minimizing her success. She has been wildly successful. I just don't think that everyone who is successful achieved that success on talent, including Taylor and many others. I can find 100s of better singers on youtube, talent wise. They aren't wildly successful but when it comes to music talent, they have it. Talent and success aren't directly linked. Just like I don't think the Kardaishains are all that talented despite also being wildly successful. Once you are a product or brand and have success with that product/brand, you can sell anything and it will be bought, no matter what quality it is. Be it an album or a lipstick or a perfume.

Almost every artist in the world disagrees with you. She writes around songs she plays her own music. She does four hour concerts.

She’s not a brand she’s Amazing

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Anonymous wrote:It’s funny, I hate Taylor Swifts music and the manipulation she uses with her fans, but the craziness of this album may be the first sliver of respect I have ever had for her. It is the first time you see true emotion from her. Anger at her fans (who are in a trap she set with Easter eggs and para social relationships), anger at the world and a reckoning that she hates the traps of fame even as she embraces it. It makes her a little bit human. She also shows glimmers of being able to move on with the manuscript.

That said, I don’t like the sound of the album and I hate talk singing.

ALSO she is so manipulative I think it just means she is coming after alt rock fans like me to add to her fan base.

She was targeting dads of fans last year. Every time she has a band on stage, I figure she’s going after that celebrity’s demographic.

She had Lana on an album and now has a song that sounds like Lana’s style.

She is totally manipulative but I’d love a song where she expresses frustration with fans. She created them.

What song is about her fans?

Anonymous wrote:Just saw that she worked with Ethan Hawke and Josh Charles on the Fortnight video. The dead poet society boys.

I’m dead.

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Anonymous wrote:It did leak and it's interesting to say the least. She's much kinder to Joe then people were expecting. He suffers from major depression. Most of the songs were about Matt unfortunately.

She also says she's a functional alcoholic which some clocked.

It’s so shitty to out someone for that . Of course it’s always the man with the issues and never her. She will be in serious trouble if that man commits suicide because of the crazy Swifties going after him

I agree with this. trashing ex boyfriends was cute when she was college aged and established older actors like Jake gylenhaal and John Mayer were taking gross advantage of a 20 year old, but now it’s 15 years later and she’s still doing the same shtick of very clearly airing dirty laundry and throwing her ex boyfriends - some of whom were serious relationships - under the bus. Doing this every six months in her mid thirties strikes me as juvenile and emotionally stunted. It’s like she’s addicted to the break ups/relationships for the content and I think it’s super weird.

Eh, I just read an article that Joe made several million bucks off of Taylor‘s albums that he co-wrote some of the songs during lockdown.

It’s hard to feel too sorry for him. He knew what he was getting into dating the absolute number one pop star on earth. They got together in 2017. She was an absolute global phenomenon at that point. She had a phase where she backed off the public for a while but come on. They dated during her reputation tour, which was huge.

I’m sure he’s not complaining about the residuals he will get the rest of his life.

I think the issue is he is a Trump supporter and her fans were disappointed she would date him especially after her progressive Lover album.

By calling them vipers, she definitely making a bold claim about her man and her politics. The rumor before the Lover album was Taylor was Republican because she didn’t support Hillary in 2016 and stayed mum the entire election season.

She should’ve never done the virtue signaling and stayed apolitical. Calling her fans vipers because they didn’t like her MAGA boyfriend is hilarious . Taylor is unintentionally funny to me

So are all just gonna ignore this crazy post?
No one wanna comment in this?

Ok I don’t find it crazy. I think Daddy I love him is about her fans.
She calls her fans vipers and something about sanctimony and empaths.
Maybe she is MAGA, she clearly was madly in love with a racist.

Wait. Now Taylor is MAGA?
who was being referred to as MAGA before? Joe? Is the pp sayin Joe was MAGA?