Amy looked so beautiful. I'm glad she toned down the eyeliner.

Ok so my thoughts.

I was really harsh on clays mom for staying with his cheating dad for so long. And she apparently didn’t even know the depth of his deception. Sounds like clay filled her in bc it was going to air on tv. That conversation was heart breaking. How dare his dad tell him to be good to his wife when he was so awful.
His mom hugging and kissing AD after she left the altar was really beautiful.

I don’t believe clay was ready for marriage but I also don’t think he should have even been on the show. I could tell on the wedding day, she was 100% in and he wasn’t. He kept saying he was ready to be a husband, but then talked about how much he valued this experience bc it helped him grow. Not find a wife, not fall madly in love. I liked that she called him out on it and said she felt used for his ‘growth’. I also thought he was dumb to say ‘I didn’t realize the magnitude of my decision’, like he was blindsided AD wanted to break up, even though we saw her say specifically that on the previous episode. I was sitting there looking like the meme with all the question marks - bro it was clear. I don’t think clay would have been a good husband (as referenced way early in this thread), and his inability to separate himself from his dad’s cheating was such a red flag. So I’m glad she didn’t marry him, but my heart broke for her. Her pain was too real.

I could tell Amy was a for sure yes too, she was 100% in. I’m glad they ended up getting married and for some of the youngest people on the show, they were really mature and stable.

Also how lame were those bachelor/ette parties with only the 2 folks left haha.

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Anonymous wrote:17:12 your heart is messed up if it's breaking for CLAY but not for AD!

Oh I was sad for both of them. But AD will be alright, she knows her worth, she has a robust support system and believes in herself.

Clay…I dunno it was like, his life has been sad and likely will continue to be sad. I felt the normal LIB sadness for her, I felt more like existential sadness for him.

WTH is extistential sadness ?

Well now we know where Clay gets his rambling, nonsensical way of talking.

Anonymous wrote:But if you remotely like the person, how could you wait until the altar to say no? It’s cruel.

Maybe he was vacillating until the last minute, or maybe was following producers' instructions.

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Anonymous wrote:Clay "I don't understand her financials." Not much to understand, I think. He's not wrong to take that into consideration.

She'll probably be a great wife and mom but I don't think she has a real job and that bothers him. In the end he just wasn't that into her. She is 33 years old and was willing to ignore tons of red flags to get married. She seems emotionally mature in some ways, but that would not have been a wise decision. They were not compatible in pretty fundamental ways.

Not that many realtors are financially successful. It's a feast or famine kind of industry. And it can be full time or very part-time. Clay might have been concerned that her income isn't steady, but fluctuates. And overall she probably doesn't make much.

Agreed. At the lunch with his mom, they discussed how she wants to be a successful real estate agent and works at a night club. That’s a hard life to live when you are in your 30s and working an opposite schedule than most, and no way she’s making a decent wage. He is very into his career and making money. It was never going to work.

A man breaking up with a woman because she didn’t make enough money. She’s right she wasn’t enough. Guess these are the woman’s rights we demanded

I have no problem with someone wanting a partner on every level. He might be concerned she has little ambition and will want to stay home after having kids. Which she'd probably want soon, since she's 33. Choice of a partner should not be an entirely romantic choice. Life is not a fantasy. A couple should have similar visions, values, and lifestyle objectives. But it ultimately came down to the fact that when he asked himself if he loved her deeply, the answer was no. All of this is fair imo.

Anonymous wrote:But if you remotely like the person, how could you wait until the altar to say no? It’s cruel.

$$$

The red flags were everywhere and she ignored them:

-Bringing up his fathers constant infidelity and how he wasn’t sure he was ever going to get married
-Saying he wasn’t sure he’d ever be fully faithful
- saying if she got fat even during pregnancy he would have her in the gym
- staying out late and never coming home during filming weeks
-her job/career/$$ of some sorts wasn’t good enough if he was questioning finances etc in the finale

I think the real question is why did SHE not say no? He is obviously attractive and smooth, but he never gave an ounce of indication he was remotely ready for marriage. I like AD and not sure how they come back from the altar, but she was willing to settle and shouldn’t have.

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Anonymous wrote:Clay "I don't understand her financials." Not much to understand, I think. He's not wrong to take that into consideration.

She'll probably be a great wife and mom but I don't think she has a real job and that bothers him. In the end he just wasn't that into her. She is 33 years old and was willing to ignore tons of red flags to get married. She seems emotionally mature in some ways, but that would not have been a wise decision. They were not compatible in pretty fundamental ways.

Not that many realtors are financially successful. It's a feast or famine kind of industry. And it can be full time or very part-time. Clay might have been concerned that her income isn't steady, but fluctuates. And overall she probably doesn't make much.

Agreed. At the lunch with his mom, they discussed how she wants to be a successful real estate agent and works at a night club. That’s a hard life to live when you are in your 30s and working an opposite schedule than most, and no way she’s making a decent wage. He is very into his career and making money. It was never going to work.

A man breaking up with a woman because she didn’t make enough money. She’s right she wasn’t enough. Guess these are the woman’s rights we demanded

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Anonymous wrote:Clay "I don't understand her financials." Not much to understand, I think. He's not wrong to take that into consideration.

She'll probably be a great wife and mom but I don't think she has a real job and that bothers him. In the end he just wasn't that into her. She is 33 years old and was willing to ignore tons of red flags to get married. She seems emotionally mature in some ways, but that would not have been a wise decision. They were not compatible in pretty fundamental ways.

Not that many realtors are financially successful. It's a feast or famine kind of industry. And it can be full time or very part-time. Clay might have been concerned that her income isn't steady, but fluctuates. And overall she probably doesn't make much.

Agreed. At the lunch with his mom, they discussed how she wants to be a successful real estate agent and works at a night club. That’s a hard life to live when you are in your 30s and working an opposite schedule than most, and no way she’s making a decent wage. He is very into his career and making money. It was never going to work.

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Anonymous wrote:Amy and Johnny are a sweet couple. That's all I've got.

They both just seem so dumb, talking about getting a vasectomy for birth control.

I am guessing a doctor will ask enough question to conclude it's not a good idea. Why can't she use a diaphragm?

So did they not have s3x before the wedding? Are they going to on the wedding night? Do they have their BC figured out?

I think she was trying to sell a no sex before marriage thing for her dad and AD drunkenly outed the truth.

I think they had fun but no intercourse before the wedding night. Hopefully they figured out the bc issue!

Anonymous wrote:17:12 your heart is messed up if it's breaking for CLAY but not for AD!

Oh I was sad for both of them. But AD will be alright, she knows her worth, she has a robust support system and believes in herself.

Clay…I dunno it was like, his life has been sad and likely will continue to be sad. I felt the normal LIB sadness for her, I felt more like existential sadness for him.

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Anonymous wrote:Wow what an emotional episode! I think this is the first episode of this entire franchise that made me cry. Talk about a tale of two attachment styles.

Johnny comes from two people who love each other and love him and he is secure and confident and loving. Clay is crippled by his father's legacy and the insecurity and fear it birthed in him.

I have watched every season of this show and I think there is always a real energy the weddings have when people think its actually going to happen and it was there with AD and Clay. The emotions and feelings you could feel them they were truly there but I could also tell he was going to say no from the beginning. And kudos to the show I have to say, they could have edited that to make him look like a total jerk but instead they went to pretty great lengths to show how he is a victim of a generational cycle of abuse and how it just prevented him from accepting the relationship fully.

I think the one thing he did wrong was allow her to say yes. If you want the relationship to continue after the altar, if you are really all in and in love but not ready you don't have that conversation after she said yes in front of the world. You say that the night before so you spare her that humiliation and lay the groundwork. Especially when you knew what you were going to say the way it seemed he did.

But my heart kind of breaks for him, he's messed up. And he doesn't want to be and knows he is, which is a hard place to be.

How come Jimmy was allowed to dump Chelsea the night before but they made Clay wait until the altar.

The way Clay was kissing AD after the No was so cringe.

Because Clay wanted more money. He’s a hustler. From a review of their contracts: “At most, Love is Blind participants receive $8,000 for up to eight weeks of work. But they may actually receive much less: pay is determined based upon how many weeks they’re involved, and it’s $1,000 per week.”

https://www.realityblurred.com/realitytv/2023/10/love-is-blind-contract-participant-agreement/

But if you remotely like the person, how could you wait until the altar to say no? It’s cruel.

I agree with everything Clay said, he was absolutely not ready for marriage, but he should have told her the day before the wedding.