Anonymous
04/01/2024 09:09
Subject: RFK Jr. Running as independent
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I’m a D and am voting RFK with enthusiasm.
“I’m a moderate dem…”
“I’m an independent…”
“I’m a liberal dem…”
Guess what? I’m a R and am voting Biden with enthusiasm.
I lean R, but can't vote for Trump, so will vote for RFKJr with enthusiasm. My best-case outcome is he wins enough electoral college votes to prevent anyone from getting 270, though I doubt that will happen.
You realize that the outcome of that will be a Trump presidency, right? The House (even if controlled by Dems) would almost certainly vote for Trump.
Yes. Run a better candidate. My vote for Kennedy is not an endorsement of anything he stands for, because I don’t expect him to win, and I don't care if he does or doesn’t. It’s an expression of deep disappointment with both the Ds and Rs for running two tremendously terrible candidates.
“What about me?! I deserve to have everything exactly as I want it! Screw all the people who would be hurt under a GOP regime, screw the end of democracy - I’m disappointed. No, wait - I’m deeply disappointed.”
Am I supposed to vote in my own best interest? Or in the interest of others? I'm confused, because the D posters on here frequently explain that R voters are voting against their interest. Which I took to mean I should vote in my own best interest. My own best interest, right now, is joining with what appears to be approx 10% of the country in voting third party as a "none-of-the-above" style vote.
You summed it up perfectly “Run a better candidate” it’s really that simple. They’re just mad because that’s the solution to their “the sky is falling” problem. Instead, they’ll attack you and those sending a message. You’re the enemy of the day. Do t worry tomorrow it’ll be someone else.
What good do you think the message sent will do other than make you feel like you told ‘em.
If either the D or R party loses and the consensus opinion within that party is because RFKJr was a spoiler candidate, the “good” it would do is have that party find ways to reach those voters.
That is a very flawed analysis. It just teaches the GOP and the Dems to get their big donors to fund and use spoiler candidates to help win elections.
Great. More choices. And when the main parties keep getting burned by this tactic, maybe we eventually get ranked choice voting.
Anonymous
04/01/2024 09:07
Subject: RFK Jr. Running as independent
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I’m a D and am voting RFK with enthusiasm.
“I’m a moderate dem…”
“I’m an independent…”
“I’m a liberal dem…”
Guess what? I’m a R and am voting Biden with enthusiasm.
I lean R, but can't vote for Trump, so will vote for RFKJr with enthusiasm. My best-case outcome is he wins enough electoral college votes to prevent anyone from getting 270, though I doubt that will happen.
You realize that the outcome of that will be a Trump presidency, right? The House (even if controlled by Dems) would almost certainly vote for Trump.
Yes. Run a better candidate. My vote for Kennedy is not an endorsement of anything he stands for, because I don’t expect him to win, and I don't care if he does or doesn’t. It’s an expression of deep disappointment with both the Ds and Rs for running two tremendously terrible candidates.
“What about me?! I deserve to have everything exactly as I want it! Screw all the people who would be hurt under a GOP regime, screw the end of democracy - I’m disappointed. No, wait - I’m deeply disappointed.”
Am I supposed to vote in my own best interest? Or in the interest of others? I'm confused, because the D posters on here frequently explain that R voters are voting against their interest. Which I took to mean I should vote in my own best interest. My own best interest, right now, is joining with what appears to be approx 10% of the country in voting third party as a "none-of-the-above" style vote.
You summed it up perfectly “Run a better candidate” it’s really that simple. They’re just mad because that’s the solution to their “the sky is falling” problem. Instead, they’ll attack you and those sending a message. You’re the enemy of the day. Do t worry tomorrow it’ll be someone else.
What good do you think the message sent will do other than make you feel like you told ‘em.
If either the D or R party loses and the consensus opinion within that party is because RFKJr was a spoiler candidate, the “good” it would do is have that party find ways to reach those voters.
Did that work when Nader put Bush into the White House? Did it help our nation ultimately to have GWB in the WH?
I see the conundrum for the Democrats. […]
Enjoy the game. We'll see what happens in November.
The Democrats have the big tent. They truly do try to keep everyone happy. The GOP just kicks out all the “RINOs.”
And it is not a game; this is why the GOP is just flat out evil. Democracy is on the line. Every time a Republican is in office, terrible damage is done to the US.
The Ds did not and have not acted like democracy was on the line. Instead, they spent two years trying to pass the social welfare provisions of the BBBA; if democracy were "on the line," those were critical years to backfill with legislation to protect transitions of power. Instead, the Ds were acting like it was business as usual and it was their time to jam through as much social welfare legislation as they could.
I agree that the Rs have kicked out the RINOs, the types of candidates I might otherwise support. Ergo . . . I have my protest vote.
Anonymous
04/01/2024 07:39
Subject: RFK Jr. Running as independent
Anonymous wrote:People who freak out about women’s issues are similar to people who are freaking out over crime. It seems like an overreaction. As a women, I mostly care about the economy and my pay. Can I support my family?
Overall, unwanted pregnancies are WAY down.
Teen pregnancies way down. We are doing a good job making birth control accessible. We could do even better to make birth control accessible to eliminate the need for (frankly unnecessary) last-resort abortions. Abortions should be reserved for the most extreme situations, which of course happen. When my sister had a pro abortion mug, I was frankly surprised by her lack of taste and decency. It’s like she missed the point. If it said “save abortion as a last resort” medical procedure, I would have felt better. But that would be too much for a mug slogan.
Re: Running mate: I think the main message of the RFK jr running mate lady re IVF is that it should be regulated. She is not wrong.
There are some predatory practices. Same
with sperm banks. They may need more regulatory oversight. She said that they are “selling a bill of goods.” This is not crazy talk. Ask any lady who has been through it. Running mate is not against the medical procedure or the actual practice.
What the GOP says is not what they do. They want embryos to be declared people, they want abortion bans, they want to get rid of birth control and they want to get rid of IVF and control women and their decisions about reproduction. They need to be kept out of power.
Anonymous
04/01/2024 07:27
Subject: RFK Jr. Running as independent
One final thought: If we worked on policies that support women’s ability to support their families, renter the workforce once they give birth, AND and grow their income — that would be worthwhile. Those are the women and family topics I want our government to focus on. Not fringe medical procedures.
— guess why we don’t ? It really HARD. It would mean some major pro women labor laws and other social safety nets for children.
Talk about my money, then I am interested.
— guess why we don’t ? It really HARD. It would mean some major pro women labor laws and other social safety nets for children.
Talk about my money, then I am interested.
Anonymous
04/01/2024 07:18
Subject: RFK Jr. Running as independent
People who freak out about women’s issues are similar to people who are freaking out over crime. It seems like an overreaction. As a women, I mostly care about the economy and my pay. Can I support my family?
Overall, unwanted pregnancies are WAY down.
Teen pregnancies way down. We are doing a good job making birth control accessible. We could do even better to make birth control accessible to eliminate the need for (frankly unnecessary) last-resort abortions. Abortions should be reserved for the most extreme situations, which of course happen. When my sister had a pro abortion mug, I was frankly surprised by her lack of taste and decency. It’s like she missed the point. If it said “save abortion as a last resort” medical procedure, I would have felt better. But that would be too much for a mug slogan.
Re: Running mate: I think the main message of the RFK jr running mate lady re IVF is that it should be regulated. She is not wrong.
There are some predatory practices. Same
with sperm banks. They may need more regulatory oversight. She said that they are “selling a bill of goods.” This is not crazy talk. Ask any lady who has been through it. Running mate is not against the medical procedure or the actual practice.
Overall, unwanted pregnancies are WAY down.
Teen pregnancies way down. We are doing a good job making birth control accessible. We could do even better to make birth control accessible to eliminate the need for (frankly unnecessary) last-resort abortions. Abortions should be reserved for the most extreme situations, which of course happen. When my sister had a pro abortion mug, I was frankly surprised by her lack of taste and decency. It’s like she missed the point. If it said “save abortion as a last resort” medical procedure, I would have felt better. But that would be too much for a mug slogan.
Re: Running mate: I think the main message of the RFK jr running mate lady re IVF is that it should be regulated. She is not wrong.
There are some predatory practices. Same
with sperm banks. They may need more regulatory oversight. She said that they are “selling a bill of goods.” This is not crazy talk. Ask any lady who has been through it. Running mate is not against the medical procedure or the actual practice.
Anonymous
04/01/2024 06:30
Subject: RFK Jr. Running as independent
Anonymous wrote:Dems have not moved left on policy. What a weird thing to assert. Nader didn’t do anything except usher in the Iraq war by getting Bush elected.
And a third party vote will yield nothing but women with a lifetime of decreasing rights and protections.
I’d like to point out that Republican posters on this page are constantly blurring the lines between threads and against arguing points that no one is making and it feels like it’s being done in a very calculated way. Paid or not I don’t know, but it feels deliberate. Check which thread you’re in before replying and be aware that skulduggery is afoot.
Anonymous
04/01/2024 00:37
Subject: RFK Jr. Running as independent
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I’m a D and am voting RFK with enthusiasm.
“I’m a moderate dem…”
“I’m an independent…”
“I’m a liberal dem…”
Guess what? I’m a R and am voting Biden with enthusiasm.
I lean R, but can't vote for Trump, so will vote for RFKJr with enthusiasm. My best-case outcome is he wins enough electoral college votes to prevent anyone from getting 270, though I doubt that will happen.
You realize that the outcome of that will be a Trump presidency, right? The House (even if controlled by Dems) would almost certainly vote for Trump.
Yes. Run a better candidate. My vote for Kennedy is not an endorsement of anything he stands for, because I don’t expect him to win, and I don't care if he does or doesn’t. It’s an expression of deep disappointment with both the Ds and Rs for running two tremendously terrible candidates.
“What about me?! I deserve to have everything exactly as I want it! Screw all the people who would be hurt under a GOP regime, screw the end of democracy - I’m disappointed. No, wait - I’m deeply disappointed.”
Am I supposed to vote in my own best interest? Or in the interest of others? I'm confused, because the D posters on here frequently explain that R voters are voting against their interest. Which I took to mean I should vote in my own best interest. My own best interest, right now, is joining with what appears to be approx 10% of the country in voting third party as a "none-of-the-above" style vote.
You summed it up perfectly “Run a better candidate” it’s really that simple. They’re just mad because that’s the solution to their “the sky is falling” problem. Instead, they’ll attack you and those sending a message. You’re the enemy of the day. Do t worry tomorrow it’ll be someone else.
What good do you think the message sent will do other than make you feel like you told ‘em.
If either the D or R party loses and the consensus opinion within that party is because RFKJr was a spoiler candidate, the “good” it would do is have that party find ways to reach those voters.
Did that work when Nader put Bush into the White House? Did it help our nation ultimately to have GWB in the WH?
I see the conundrum for the Democrats. If you run a candidate that appeals to the middle, then you may alienate the more progressive element, which may run their own candidate (e.g., Nader) and siphon votes. If you run a candidate that appeals to the progressive element, that may alienate more traditional liberals, and a more middle-of-the-road candidate may appeal to them.
The converse is true for the Republicans but pitting the right-wing populists against the pro-business libertarians.
That's politics. Compromise is hard. The party coalitions are fragile. To address your observation re: Nader, I'd say that Nader accomplished his goal of getting the D's to move left on policy --> since the progressives were willing the walk away, they had to be accommodated.
The current parties are choosing candidates to appeal to the farther reaches of their coalitions (i.e., progressive on the left, populists on the right), and risk losing their more mainstream voters. The only way the Ds and Rs realize they need to accommodate traditional liberals and pro-business libertarians, respectively, is for those folks to vote third party.
Enjoy the game. We'll see what happens in November.
Dems have not moved left on policy. What a weird thing to assert. Nader didn’t do anything except usher in the Iraq war by getting Bush elected.
Anonymous
04/01/2024 00:31
Subject: RFK Jr. Running as independent
Cesar Chavez’s family asks RFK to stop invoking his name and using his likeness. They reiterate their support for Biden. https://www.washingtonpost.com/elections/2024/03/29/cesar-chavez-rfk-jr-campaign/
Anonymous
03/31/2024 22:20
Subject: RFK Jr. Running as independent
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I’m a D and am voting RFK with enthusiasm.
“I’m a moderate dem…”
“I’m an independent…”
“I’m a liberal dem…”
Guess what? I’m a R and am voting Biden with enthusiasm.
I lean R, but can't vote for Trump, so will vote for RFKJr with enthusiasm. My best-case outcome is he wins enough electoral college votes to prevent anyone from getting 270, though I doubt that will happen.
You realize that the outcome of that will be a Trump presidency, right? The House (even if controlled by Dems) would almost certainly vote for Trump.
Yes. Run a better candidate. My vote for Kennedy is not an endorsement of anything he stands for, because I don’t expect him to win, and I don't care if he does or doesn’t. It’s an expression of deep disappointment with both the Ds and Rs for running two tremendously terrible candidates.
“What about me?! I deserve to have everything exactly as I want it! Screw all the people who would be hurt under a GOP regime, screw the end of democracy - I’m disappointed. No, wait - I’m deeply disappointed.”
Am I supposed to vote in my own best interest? Or in the interest of others? I'm confused, because the D posters on here frequently explain that R voters are voting against their interest. Which I took to mean I should vote in my own best interest. My own best interest, right now, is joining with what appears to be approx 10% of the country in voting third party as a "none-of-the-above" style vote.
You summed it up perfectly “Run a better candidate” it’s really that simple. They’re just mad because that’s the solution to their “the sky is falling” problem. Instead, they’ll attack you and those sending a message. You’re the enemy of the day. Do t worry tomorrow it’ll be someone else.
What good do you think the message sent will do other than make you feel like you told ‘em.
If either the D or R party loses and the consensus opinion within that party is because RFKJr was a spoiler candidate, the “good” it would do is have that party find ways to reach those voters.
Did that work when Nader put Bush into the White House? Did it help our nation ultimately to have GWB in the WH?
I see the conundrum for the Democrats. […]
Enjoy the game. We'll see what happens in November.
The Democrats have the big tent. They truly do try to keep everyone happy. The GOP just kicks out all the “RINOs.”
And it is not a game; this is why the GOP is just flat out evil. Democracy is on the line. Every time a Republican is in office, terrible damage is done to the US.
Anonymous
03/31/2024 22:00
Subject: RFK Jr. Running as independent
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I’m a D and am voting RFK with enthusiasm.
“I’m a moderate dem…”
“I’m an independent…”
“I’m a liberal dem…”
Guess what? I’m a R and am voting Biden with enthusiasm.
I lean R, but can't vote for Trump, so will vote for RFKJr with enthusiasm. My best-case outcome is he wins enough electoral college votes to prevent anyone from getting 270, though I doubt that will happen.
You realize that the outcome of that will be a Trump presidency, right? The House (even if controlled by Dems) would almost certainly vote for Trump.
Yes. Run a better candidate. My vote for Kennedy is not an endorsement of anything he stands for, because I don’t expect him to win, and I don't care if he does or doesn’t. It’s an expression of deep disappointment with both the Ds and Rs for running two tremendously terrible candidates.
“What about me?! I deserve to have everything exactly as I want it! Screw all the people who would be hurt under a GOP regime, screw the end of democracy - I’m disappointed. No, wait - I’m deeply disappointed.”
Am I supposed to vote in my own best interest? Or in the interest of others? I'm confused, because the D posters on here frequently explain that R voters are voting against their interest. Which I took to mean I should vote in my own best interest. My own best interest, right now, is joining with what appears to be approx 10% of the country in voting third party as a "none-of-the-above" style vote.
You summed it up perfectly “Run a better candidate” it’s really that simple. They’re just mad because that’s the solution to their “the sky is falling” problem. Instead, they’ll attack you and those sending a message. You’re the enemy of the day. Do t worry tomorrow it’ll be someone else.
What good do you think the message sent will do other than make you feel like you told ‘em.
If either the D or R party loses and the consensus opinion within that party is because RFKJr was a spoiler candidate, the “good” it would do is have that party find ways to reach those voters.
That is a very flawed analysis. It just teaches the GOP and the Dems to get their big donors to fund and use spoiler candidates to help win elections.
Anonymous
03/31/2024 21:41
Subject: RFK Jr. Running as independent
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I’m a D and am voting RFK with enthusiasm.
“I’m a moderate dem…”
“I’m an independent…”
“I’m a liberal dem…”
Guess what? I’m a R and am voting Biden with enthusiasm.
I lean R, but can't vote for Trump, so will vote for RFKJr with enthusiasm. My best-case outcome is he wins enough electoral college votes to prevent anyone from getting 270, though I doubt that will happen.
You realize that the outcome of that will be a Trump presidency, right? The House (even if controlled by Dems) would almost certainly vote for Trump.
Yes. Run a better candidate. My vote for Kennedy is not an endorsement of anything he stands for, because I don’t expect him to win, and I don't care if he does or doesn’t. It’s an expression of deep disappointment with both the Ds and Rs for running two tremendously terrible candidates.
“What about me?! I deserve to have everything exactly as I want it! Screw all the people who would be hurt under a GOP regime, screw the end of democracy - I’m disappointed. No, wait - I’m deeply disappointed.”
Am I supposed to vote in my own best interest? Or in the interest of others? I'm confused, because the D posters on here frequently explain that R voters are voting against their interest. Which I took to mean I should vote in my own best interest. My own best interest, right now, is joining with what appears to be approx 10% of the country in voting third party as a "none-of-the-above" style vote.
You summed it up perfectly “Run a better candidate” it’s really that simple. They’re just mad because that’s the solution to their “the sky is falling” problem. Instead, they’ll attack you and those sending a message. You’re the enemy of the day. Do t worry tomorrow it’ll be someone else.
What good do you think the message sent will do other than make you feel like you told ‘em.
If either the D or R party loses and the consensus opinion within that party is because RFKJr was a spoiler candidate, the “good” it would do is have that party find ways to reach those voters.
+1 yes, voters like me as well
Anonymous
03/31/2024 21:07
Subject: Re:RFK Jr. Running as independent
This is how the Democrats operate. Another reason they should lose in November.
Instead of promoting their agenda (whatever that is since Joe has not talked about his agenda), they go to great lengths to smear and slander their competitors.
This is a post from Kennedy's campaign manager......
Caught red-handed, the DNC, via Moveon, changed the job listing posted at below URL to something appropriately saintly. Luckily we took a screenshot of how it looked yesterday. For anyone not following along, "earned media bird-dogging" is DNC speak for harassment and dirty tricks.
The funny thing is that they changed the content but couldn't change the URL, which still reads "senior-political-organizer-for-countering-third-party-presidential-spoiler-threats" -- a role utterly unrelated to their new pure-of-heart ad to "build political power for those who have been historically marginalized."
Maybe if they'd actually prioritized that mission to begin with, they wouldn't be worried about their voters desperately seeking an alternative to their corruption and lies.
Original screen shot:
Updated screen shot:
Instead of promoting their agenda (whatever that is since Joe has not talked about his agenda), they go to great lengths to smear and slander their competitors.
This is a post from Kennedy's campaign manager......
Caught red-handed, the DNC, via Moveon, changed the job listing posted at below URL to something appropriately saintly. Luckily we took a screenshot of how it looked yesterday. For anyone not following along, "earned media bird-dogging" is DNC speak for harassment and dirty tricks.
The funny thing is that they changed the content but couldn't change the URL, which still reads "senior-political-organizer-for-countering-third-party-presidential-spoiler-threats" -- a role utterly unrelated to their new pure-of-heart ad to "build political power for those who have been historically marginalized."
Maybe if they'd actually prioritized that mission to begin with, they wouldn't be worried about their voters desperately seeking an alternative to their corruption and lies.
Original screen shot:
Updated screen shot:
Anonymous
03/31/2024 14:43
Subject: RFK Jr. Running as independent
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I’m a D and am voting RFK with enthusiasm.
“I’m a moderate dem…”
“I’m an independent…”
“I’m a liberal dem…”
Guess what? I’m a R and am voting Biden with enthusiasm.
I lean R, but can't vote for Trump, so will vote for RFKJr with enthusiasm. My best-case outcome is he wins enough electoral college votes to prevent anyone from getting 270, though I doubt that will happen.
You realize that the outcome of that will be a Trump presidency, right? The House (even if controlled by Dems) would almost certainly vote for Trump.
Yes. Run a better candidate. My vote for Kennedy is not an endorsement of anything he stands for, because I don’t expect him to win, and I don't care if he does or doesn’t. It’s an expression of deep disappointment with both the Ds and Rs for running two tremendously terrible candidates.
“What about me?! I deserve to have everything exactly as I want it! Screw all the people who would be hurt under a GOP regime, screw the end of democracy - I’m disappointed. No, wait - I’m deeply disappointed.”
Am I supposed to vote in my own best interest? Or in the interest of others? I'm confused, because the D posters on here frequently explain that R voters are voting against their interest. Which I took to mean I should vote in my own best interest. My own best interest, right now, is joining with what appears to be approx 10% of the country in voting third party as a "none-of-the-above" style vote.
You summed it up perfectly “Run a better candidate” it’s really that simple. They’re just mad because that’s the solution to their “the sky is falling” problem. Instead, they’ll attack you and those sending a message. You’re the enemy of the day. Do t worry tomorrow it’ll be someone else.
What good do you think the message sent will do other than make you feel like you told ‘em.
If either the D or R party loses and the consensus opinion within that party is because RFKJr was a spoiler candidate, the “good” it would do is have that party find ways to reach those voters.
Did that work when Nader put Bush into the White House? Did it help our nation ultimately to have GWB in the WH?
I see the conundrum for the Democrats. If you run a candidate that appeals to the middle, then you may alienate the more progressive element, which may run their own candidate (e.g., Nader) and siphon votes. If you run a candidate that appeals to the progressive element, that may alienate more traditional liberals, and a more middle-of-the-road candidate may appeal to them.
The converse is true for the Republicans but pitting the right-wing populists against the pro-business libertarians.
That's politics. Compromise is hard. The party coalitions are fragile. To address your observation re: Nader, I'd say that Nader accomplished his goal of getting the D's to move left on policy --> since the progressives were willing the walk away, they had to be accommodated.
The current parties are choosing candidates to appeal to the farther reaches of their coalitions (i.e., progressive on the left, populists on the right), and risk losing their more mainstream voters. The only way the Ds and Rs realize they need to accommodate traditional liberals and pro-business libertarians, respectively, is for those folks to vote third party.
Enjoy the game. We'll see what happens in November.
Anonymous
03/31/2024 13:39
Subject: RFK Jr. Running as independent
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:RFK for Prez!
Anti-covid vaccine mandates
Pro-worker rights
Pro- reproductive freedom
Pro-environmental consevation efforts
He will shine the light of day on the cozy relationship between regulators and business in a way that neither democrats or republicans would.
Wish he were anti war, but you can't have everything
What qualifications does he have to lead the greatest democracy of the free world?
I'm not sure. I hope he has the capacity to lead and inspire.
I think he has good professional experience in fighting unethical businesses and in protecting something beautiful and fragile.
I think he is not afraid to stand up for things he believes in.
These are qualities I look for.
So he would be in a decent position to run for president now if he had taken the initiative to demonstrate an ability to successfully lead in an executive governing position with a tenure as a state governor or some other executive governing position. Jumping in to the national political scene at 70 years old makes him no more fit to be POTUS than Trump or Biden. I'm fine with him pulling votes away from Trump but in no way is he the viable 3rd party candidate that will remind the American people of what a fit for office presidential candidate looks like next to the weak major party candidates.
Anonymous
03/31/2024 13:33
Subject: RFK Jr. Running as independent
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I’m a D and am voting RFK with enthusiasm.
“I’m a moderate dem…”
“I’m an independent…”
“I’m a liberal dem…”
Guess what? I’m a R and am voting Biden with enthusiasm.
I lean R, but can't vote for Trump, so will vote for RFKJr with enthusiasm. My best-case outcome is he wins enough electoral college votes to prevent anyone from getting 270, though I doubt that will happen.
You realize that the outcome of that will be a Trump presidency, right? The House (even if controlled by Dems) would almost certainly vote for Trump.
Yes. Run a better candidate. My vote for Kennedy is not an endorsement of anything he stands for, because I don’t expect him to win, and I don't care if he does or doesn’t. It’s an expression of deep disappointment with both the Ds and Rs for running two tremendously terrible candidates.
“What about me?! I deserve to have everything exactly as I want it! Screw all the people who would be hurt under a GOP regime, screw the end of democracy - I’m disappointed. No, wait - I’m deeply disappointed.”
Am I supposed to vote in my own best interest? Or in the interest of others? I'm confused, because the D posters on here frequently explain that R voters are voting against their interest. Which I took to mean I should vote in my own best interest. My own best interest, right now, is joining with what appears to be approx 10% of the country in voting third party as a "none-of-the-above" style vote.
You summed it up perfectly “Run a better candidate” it’s really that simple. They’re just mad because that’s the solution to their “the sky is falling” problem. Instead, they’ll attack you and those sending a message. You’re the enemy of the day. Do t worry tomorrow it’ll be someone else.
What good do you think the message sent will do other than make you feel like you told ‘em.
If either the D or R party loses and the consensus opinion within that party is because RFKJr was a spoiler candidate, the “good” it would do is have that party find ways to reach those voters.
Did that work when Nader put Bush into the White House? Did it help our nation ultimately to have GWB in the WH?