Anonymous
Post 10/04/2023 13:59     Subject: Republican Hardliners Rolled and the future of McCarthy
Anonymous wrote:I’m surprised Nancy Mace was one of the 8.

She's trying to triangulate to save her seat. Her supposed reason was abortion rights. The voyewa already decided by the time it got to her. It's a page out of Susie Collins' book.

Anonymous
Post 10/04/2023 13:56     Subject: Republican Hardliners Rolled and the future of McCarthy
Anonymous wrote:I’m surprised Nancy Mace was one of the 8.


Her reason was different than the others, he hadn’t kept promises to her “to help women in this country”, but just as ridiculous. In what world could McCarthy and House Republican be expected to help women? She just likes being contrarian. It gets her picture in the newspaper.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/10/04/republicans-voted-against-mccarthy-oust/
Anonymous
Post 10/04/2023 13:32     Subject: Republican Hardliners Rolled and the future of McCarthy
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Frank Luntz in his emotional lash out on CNN last night claims "as an insider, I can tell you that who is being consider for speakership next will really scare the dems. so they should have done the moral thing and voted for McCarthy."


F*c€ Luntz.


+1
Anonymous
Post 10/04/2023 13:27     Subject: Republican Hardliners Rolled and the future of McCarthy
Anonymous wrote:Frank Luntz in his emotional lash out on CNN last night claims "as an insider, I can tell you that who is being consider for speakership next will really scare the dems. so they should have done the moral thing and voted for McCarthy."


F*c€ Luntz.
Anonymous
Post 10/04/2023 13:27     Subject: Republican Hardliners Rolled and the future of McCarthy
Anonymous wrote:Speaker Gym Jordan next?


Double-down on self-destructive clown show. I guess the GOP really wants to lose the House.
Anonymous
Post 10/04/2023 13:27     Subject: Republican Hardliners Rolled and the future of McCarthy
Anonymous wrote:House GOP extremists “are unwilling to acknowledge the obvious — that at a time when they control neither the White House nor the Senate,& have such a narrow majority…, they must cooperate with Democrats to get anything passed,& to do that they must accept less than they want.




So instead, they are choosing to "burn it down" and inflict as much pain on the American public as possible.


To any MoDeRaTeS who bemoan the lack of civility and bipartisanship, this right here is why. When Republicans reach across the aisle, they get punished by their fellow Republicans.
Anonymous
Post 10/04/2023 13:24     Subject: Republican Hardliners Rolled and the future of McCarthy
House GOP extremists “are unwilling to acknowledge the obvious — that at a time when they control neither the White House nor the Senate,& have such a narrow majority…, they must cooperate with Democrats to get anything passed,& to do that they must accept less than they want.




So instead, they are choosing to "burn it down" and inflict as much pain on the American public as possible.
Anonymous
Post 10/04/2023 13:22     Subject: Republican Hardliners Rolled and the future of McCarthy
Anonymous wrote:Frank Luntz in his emotional lash out on CNN last night claims "as an insider, I can tell you that who is being consider for speakership next will really scare the dems. so they should have done the moral thing and voted for McCarthy."


And yet there’s nothing a Republican speaker can do to “really scare” anyone.

They can pass a bill that never becomes a law…

They can (theoretically impeach a President who will never be removed (that always assuming the vulnerable Republicans would be willing to do it)…

They can close the USG…

In other words… they can do everything Kevin McCarthy already did.
Anonymous
Post 10/04/2023 13:21     Subject: Republican Hardliners Rolled and the future of McCarthy
I’m surprised Nancy Mace was one of the 8.
Anonymous
Post 10/04/2023 13:18     Subject: Republican Hardliners Rolled and the future of McCarthy
Anonymous wrote:
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Anonymous wrote:this notion of McCarthy getting the speakership is dead. At this point, he wants to punish dems. so he's hoping for the likes of Jim Jordan to be speaker.


Punish Dems! When it's members of his own party who did this to him - and he refused to even negotiate with Dems to save his job!! And he proved over and over he couldn't be trusted!!!

It smacks of when a marriage breaks up due to cheating and the faithful spouse blames the other woman or the other man instead of the spouse.


Or when the non-cheating spouse if blamed for breaking up the family by not accepting the cheating.


EXACTLY!
Anonymous
Post 10/04/2023 13:16     Subject: Republican Hardliners Rolled and the future of McCarthy
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:this notion of McCarthy getting the speakership is dead. At this point, he wants to punish dems. so he's hoping for the likes of Jim Jordan to be speaker.


Punish Dems! When it's members of his own party who did this to him - and he refused to even negotiate with Dems to save his job!! And he proved over and over he couldn't be trusted!!!

It smacks of when a marriage breaks up due to cheating and the faithful spouse blames the other woman or the other man instead of the spouse.


Or when the non-cheating spouse if blamed for breaking up the family by not accepting the cheating.
Anonymous
Post 10/04/2023 13:15     Subject: Republican Hardliners Rolled and the future of McCarthy
Anonymous wrote:McCarthy didn’t put the Continuing Resolution on the floor as a favor or concession to Democrats. He did it because he and his caucus had painted themselves into a corner again and were being blamed and ridiculed by everyone for less than doing nothing to prevent the impending government shutdown, while the Senate had a bipartisan 45-day Continuing Resolution that would pass the House if he allowed a vote on it. He had no plan, so he caved and put his own CR with less stuff than the Senate bill to a vote to buy time until his next self-inflicted crisis. Democrats don’t owe McCarthy anything. He’s incompetent.


Sadly for the country, the GOP will not simply take the bi-partisan Senate bill and pass it in the House to keep our government functional for the next year. They will force a shutdown and receive all of the same ridicule, but it will happen closer to the holidays when air traffic controllers have more leverage for a sick-out in protest. Our borders will actually be open because DHS won't be there to watch over it. Our troops will be working without pay, the military support staff will be furloughed etc.
Anonymous
Post 10/04/2023 13:12     Subject: Republican Hardliners Rolled and the future of McCarthy
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Anonymous wrote:I am neither Republican nor Democrat but I do notice that all Democrats along with the 8 Republicans voted against McCarthy while 210 Republicans voted for McCarthy.

But somehow the 8 Republicans are extremists while the Democrats are not?

It takes two to tango, you know.


Let me explain it to you then. The opposition party never votes for the majority party’s candidate for speaker because they don’t support his policies.


Thats fine, but this will be on the Dems when CR is over in 45 days and republicans could not elect a house speaker.


Read your whole sentence. It will be “on the Dems” when Republicans cannot elect a speaker? Why do you feel it’s Democrats responsibility to save Republicans from dysfunction?


You act as if everyone in congress is an innocent bystander. They all cast their votes.


Given that two days earlier, McCarthy publicly tried to blame ALL democrats for the prospective shut down should tell you why the democrats do not trust McCarthy. He could have said nothing and likely gotten enough Dem votes to retain him.
Anonymous
Post 10/04/2023 13:10     Subject: Republican Hardliners Rolled and the future of McCarthy
Speaker Gym Jordan next?
Anonymous
Post 10/04/2023 13:10     Subject: Republican Hardliners Rolled and the future of McCarthy
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Anonymous wrote:Speaker Trump or Scalise both have a nice ring to it.


Trump is ineligible under the current rules, which cannot be changed under an interim speaker. Scalise is your hard right dreamboat.


The constitution says otherwise.


No, current rules stipulate House Leadership may not be under indictment. Trump is under indictment. Read the rules.


Not to mention he does not hold any elected office …




WHO CAN RUN FOR SPEAKER? Under the U.S. Constitution, the House speaker does not have to be a member of Congress. That is the reason some Republicans have floated the name of former President Donald Trump for the job, even though he is running for president and has said he does not want the job.

And no wonder he does not want the job …

But even if Trump were to be elected to the position with full Republican support in the House, Rule 26 of the GOP Conference states, "A member of the Republican Leadership shall step aside if indicted for a felony for which a sentence of two or more years imprisonment may be imposed.


To be fair, he has already been indicted, so the GOP would read this as Trump would be eligible and would have to step aside with any NEW indictments after his appointment.


Ha ha sadly plausible …

Do you think he can really restrain himself from not violating the recent gag order?

The New York judge presiding over Donald J. Trump’s civil fraud trial ordered the former president yesterday not to attack or even comment on court staff after he posted a message with a photo and veiled threats on social media targeting the judge’s law clerk.

How on earth does this thug have so much support?


He has already violated it today.