Anonymous
Post 09/19/2023 21:39     Subject: Sept. 6 WSJ Rankings
Anonymous wrote:

The NY Times interactive chart is really the best--choose the criteria that is most important to you and let the data speak. And then visit and talk to profs, students, alumni for more qualitative data.


That sounds good. Everybody can feel good. It’s all too complicated, with too many variables, for it to be as exact as people think it is when they claim the #15 school is in any tangible way better than the #20 school.


Much better than USNWR telling you what they feel is important to you in a school
Anonymous
Post 09/19/2023 19:55     Subject: Re:Sept. 6 WSJ Rankings
How did Trinity and Kenyon do?
Anonymous
Post 09/19/2023 18:41     Subject: Sept. 6 WSJ Rankings


The NY Times interactive chart is really the best--choose the criteria that is most important to you and let the data speak. And then visit and talk to profs, students, alumni for more qualitative data.


That sounds good. Everybody can feel good. It’s all too complicated, with too many variables, for it to be as exact as people think it is when they claim the #15 school is in any tangible way better than the #20 school.
Anonymous
Post 09/19/2023 17:50     Subject: Sept. 6 WSJ Rankings
Anonymous wrote:With USNews becoming Pell Grant Monthly, now there is no definitive best ranking. Nearly everybody can find a ranking that makes their kid’s school look elite.



The NY Times interactive chart is really the best--choose the criteria that is most important to you and let the data speak. And then visit and talk to profs, students, alumni for more qualitative data.
Anonymous
Post 09/19/2023 17:48     Subject: Sept. 6 WSJ Rankings
Anonymous wrote:With USNews becoming Pell Grant Monthly, now there is no definitive best ranking. Nearly everybody can find a ranking that makes their kid’s school look elite.


As it should be! Every student should go to the school that does the best for that student's needs and goals.
Anonymous
Post 09/19/2023 17:45     Subject: Sept. 6 WSJ Rankings
This seems to be a better academic ranking than the USNWR, which seems to have taken up the mantle of social justice warrior
Anonymous
Post 09/19/2023 17:41     Subject: Sept. 6 WSJ Rankings
With USNews becoming Pell Grant Monthly, now there is no definitive best ranking. Nearly everybody can find a ranking that makes their kid’s school look elite.
Anonymous
Post 09/19/2023 14:20     Subject: Sept. 6 WSJ Rankings
What do people think of the WSJ #s now that USNWR is out too?

It is helpful to use WSJ and Forbes to see how LACs like Amherst and Swarthmore remain T25 in combined rankings. Williams is slightly lower in Forbes (outside the top 30) but does great in WSJ.
Anonymous
Post 09/15/2023 23:31     Subject: Sept. 6 WSJ Rankings
The mortality rate for Fun is still pretty high there, from what I’ve seen.
Anonymous
Post 09/15/2023 20:31     Subject: Re:Sept. 6 WSJ Rankings
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Anonymous wrote:These ranking are ludicrous. I live in Florida and am very familiar with FIU. How in the world is that school ranked higher than UCHICAGO, Cal Berkely, Johns Hopkins, and quite frankly 100 others. It's a joke to get into and does not have a good reputation.
If you look at their “score” breakdown, they scored higher than JHU in salary impact ( 83 points to JHU’s 64) even though graduates from JHU median income after graduation is $40,000 more a year.
Then there's UCHICAGO and Berkley. Two of the most rigorous and respected schools in the world, consistently at the top of most rankings for jobs and PHD degrees.
As for why uchicago may have dropped below, as opposed to others in their Ivy+ group… Uchicago has top ranked programs that are not money maker careers (English, chem, physics, etc) and are just now growing CS, engineering and data science. They also send a lot of undergrads for PhDs and academia, which take years to make a high salary.


Chicago is rarely ranked as a top school now. Luckily for them USNWR is the most influential ranking and they usually give Chicago their highest rankings.
Even at the grad level, where Chicago is stronger in some areas, USNWR tends to be their best ranking source. Does anyone who has applied to and gone to business school think Chicago is the best b-school in the country (above Stanford GSB, HBS, and Wharton)?


+1 they optimized themselves for US News (hence gaming the rankings) and it’s so obvious by how poorly they do for literally every other undergraduate ranking.


Yes, this. That FL poster obviously sent a kid to UChicago and is coming to a strark realiziation. Just because it has a high USNWR ranking, doesn't make it a great school. To a person, everyone I know who went there is a stereotypical booksmart person, who has no depth beyond that, no emotional/social IQ, etc. That's why they don't make much. To really be greatly successful, you have to be bright and a normal, people person. UChicago attracts and puts out intense, strivers and grinders who don't go on to change the world, but rather just perpetuate the elitist academia that is losing ground every year.


Perhaps everyone you know who has gone to Chicago graduated 25+ years ago. It has normalized quite a lot in two decades. I know several young, bright, highly social recruited athletes who have gone to Chicago in the last 5 years (my kids’ friends) and they would have fit in well at Duke, Dartmouth, wherever. I remember when U Chicago was the place “where fun goes to die” but it has managed to change the culture.


I’ve never even seen the place, but it’s terrible that you have to apologize for loving a school because it happens to have a lot of bright, intense students who are into learning.
Anonymous
Post 09/15/2023 20:26     Subject: Re:Sept. 6 WSJ Rankings
Anonymous wrote:

Yes, this. That FL poster obviously sent a kid to UChicago and is coming to a strark realiziation. Just because it has a high USNWR ranking, doesn't make it a great school. To a person, everyone I know who went there is a stereotypical booksmart person, who has no depth beyond that, no emotional/social IQ, etc. That's why they don't make much. To really be greatly successful, you have to be bright and a normal, people person. UChicago attracts and puts out intense, strivers and grinders who don't go on to change the world, but rather just perpetuate the elitist academia that is losing ground every year.


So, this is why the UChicago haters hate it: It has smart students who are into learning. How terrible.



Anonymous
Post 09/11/2023 18:31     Subject: Sept. 6 WSJ Rankings
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:University of Florida! Highest Ranked Public! Go Gators!


Go Gators!!!


Go Gators!!
When my husband got a TT job here 5 years ago, I’d never even heard of the school…
Anonymous
Post 09/11/2023 06:31     Subject: Re:Sept. 6 WSJ Rankings
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:These ranking are ludicrous. I live in Florida and am very familiar with FIU. How in the world is that school ranked higher than UCHICAGO, Cal Berkely, Johns Hopkins, and quite frankly 100 others. It's a joke to get into and does not have a good reputation.
If you look at their “score” breakdown, they scored higher than JHU in salary impact ( 83 points to JHU’s 64) even though graduates from JHU median income after graduation is $40,000 more a year.
Then there's UCHICAGO and Berkley. Two of the most rigorous and respected schools in the world, consistently at the top of most rankings for jobs and PHD degrees.
As for why uchicago may have dropped below, as opposed to others in their Ivy+ group… Uchicago has top ranked programs that are not money maker careers (English, chem, physics, etc) and are just now growing CS, engineering and data science. They also send a lot of undergrads for PhDs and academia, which take years to make a high salary.


Chicago is rarely ranked as a top school now. Luckily for them USNWR is the most influential ranking and they usually give Chicago their highest rankings.
Even at the grad level, where Chicago is stronger in some areas, USNWR tends to be their best ranking source. Does anyone who has applied to and gone to business school think Chicago is the best b-school in the country (above Stanford GSB, HBS, and Wharton)?


+1 they optimized themselves for US News (hence gaming the rankings) and it’s so obvious by how poorly they do for literally every other undergraduate ranking.


Yes, this. That FL poster obviously sent a kid to UChicago and is coming to a strark realiziation. Just because it has a high USNWR ranking, doesn't make it a great school. To a person, everyone I know who went there is a stereotypical booksmart person, who has no depth beyond that, no emotional/social IQ, etc. That's why they don't make much. To really be greatly successful, you have to be bright and a normal, people person. UChicago attracts and puts out intense, strivers and grinders who don't go on to change the world, but rather just perpetuate the elitist academia that is losing ground every year.


Perhaps everyone you know who has gone to Chicago graduated 25+ years ago. It has normalized quite a lot in two decades. I know several young, bright, highly social recruited athletes who have gone to Chicago in the last 5 years (my kids’ friends) and they would have fit in well at Duke, Dartmouth, wherever. I remember when U Chicago was the place “where fun goes to die” but it has managed to change the culture.