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Anonymous wrote:Considering most college students are women and most college drop outs are men, I don't really expect to see this reverse any time soon. Most of the jobs that men fell back to are becoming automated so that they need fewer humans doing the same amount of work.

At this point, I think it might be prudent to figure out a solution to these problems. Maybe start all boys in Kindergarten at 6 or 7 instead of 5 or 6. Then by the time they reach college they can actually be mature enough to complete it.

Have you thought about the impact this will have on the girls who are 5 and 6 in kindergarten? Or ready to be in kindergarten at 5 and 6. We don't want our girls to have to wait on your boys, or be bullied by your older boys. My girls were ready to start K at 5, and my first grader especially is in class full of boys who turned 7 before winter break and it's just a mess. Boys starting Kindergarten later is NOT the answer, trust me.

DP. Actually, I think there's merit to the idea of some children, some boys and a few girls, starting school later, at 7 or 8. Not kindergarten, they would start in 2nd or 3rd grade. This would mean that someone, parent or older sibling, would have taught them to read and do addition and subtraction first. My boys would have benefitted from that, more maturity, before starting school.

It would be difficult though, probably prohibitively difficult.

You think? We don’t live in Sweden. This country barely gives maternity leave and doesn’t offer pre-k but you think it’s going to change its paradigm so that boys can start school at 7 or 8?

This is ridiculous for all but the UMC and up. As it stands, schools provide social services for kids. I don't think the 13 year olds carjacking around here would have benefited tremendously from an extra few year at home...

Fwiw, children in Sweden who start school at 7 are not home with their parents in the years before that. They have extended play-based preschool from 3-7 where children play, socialize, and learn to read and do simple math.

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Anonymous wrote:You know what? Women had to work like crazy to break into professional careers, network, wear power suits and work there a$$es off. We had to learn all the rules of the men’s club in order to get a foot in (after centuries of being treated like chattel). Give me an effing break with this nonsense that men can no longer figure out how to be successful.

It's sheer petulance. They know that their grandfathers could marry whenever they wanted to, treat their wives like slaves, and have other women on the side, no matter how unappealing they were. Life doesn't work that way anymore and they're mad. If they put half as much energy into bettering themselves that they do into complaining, they'd have no problem. And they'd be with women who actually WANT them.

You think men are two-dimensional cartoons.

If you disagree with the comment, tell us why.

While my grandfather was nearly freezing to death in a fox hole in the Ardennes his wife was shacking up with another man back home. After everything he went through he was still not known to complain very much about anything.

You are hella old if this was your grandpa’s experience. I’m middle aged and it would still have been my great-grandpa. Things have changed a lot since your grandparents’ day.

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Anonymous wrote:Considering most college students are women and most college drop outs are men, I don't really expect to see this reverse any time soon. Most of the jobs that men fell back to are becoming automated so that they need fewer humans doing the same amount of work.

At this point, I think it might be prudent to figure out a solution to these problems. Maybe start all boys in Kindergarten at 6 or 7 instead of 5 or 6. Then by the time they reach college they can actually be mature enough to complete it.

Have you thought about the impact this will have on the girls who are 5 and 6 in kindergarten? Or ready to be in kindergarten at 5 and 6. We don't want our girls to have to wait on your boys, or be bullied by your older boys. My girls were ready to start K at 5, and my first grader especially is in class full of boys who turned 7 before winter break and it's just a mess. Boys starting Kindergarten later is NOT the answer, trust me.

DP. Actually, I think there's merit to the idea of some children, some boys and a few girls, starting school later, at 7 or 8. Not kindergarten, they would start in 2nd or 3rd grade. This would mean that someone, parent or older sibling, would have taught them to read and do addition and subtraction first. My boys would have benefitted from that, more maturity, before starting school.

It would be difficult though, probably prohibitively difficult.

You think? We don’t live in Sweden. This country barely gives maternity leave and doesn’t offer pre-k but you think it’s going to change its paradigm so that boys can start school at 7 or 8?

This is ridiculous for all but the UMC and up. As it stands, schools provide social services for kids. I don't think the 13 year olds carjacking around here would have benefited tremendously from an extra few year at home...

[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]You know what? Women had to work like crazy to break into professional careers, network, wear power suits and work there a$$es off. We had to learn all the rules of the men’s club in order to get a foot in (after centuries of being treated like chattel). Give me an effing break with this nonsense that men can no longer figure out how to be successful. [/quote]

Okay.

Just ignore the mass shootings, overdoses. Also ignore the lousy women managers and unhappy single parents. You worked hard and got yours. [/quote]
WHAT DO YOU WANT WOMEN TO DO? [/quote]

Stop going to college and grad school and stop pursuing careers, so they’ll once again have to rely on men to put roofs over their heads.[/quote]

You mean like whining about college debt and dumping it off on the taxpayer men who did not go to college? Don't kid yourself, you are still relying on men. In more ways than you realize.[/quote]

I wasn’t aware debt relief was only available to women. Oh, that’s right it’s available to men and women. Also, there are always “handouts” from the government for everything. Farmers get bailed out all the time. College graduates pay more in taxes. People without kids pay for schools. People pay for Medicaid for people that don’t earn enough (like people that don’t go to college).[/quote]

Women hold the vast majority of college debt, genius. And a bunch of those government programs are just indirect wealth transfers from men to women. Strong, don't need no man, women.[/quote]

Well, we found the incel living in his mom’s basement - telling us that men are supporting women through “wealth transfers” and mocking women who dare to be independent.

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Anonymous wrote:Considering most college students are women and most college drop outs are men, I don't really expect to see this reverse any time soon. Most of the jobs that men fell back to are becoming automated so that they need fewer humans doing the same amount of work.

At this point, I think it might be prudent to figure out a solution to these problems. Maybe start all boys in Kindergarten at 6 or 7 instead of 5 or 6. Then by the time they reach college they can actually be mature enough to complete it.

Have you thought about the impact this will have on the girls who are 5 and 6 in kindergarten? Or ready to be in kindergarten at 5 and 6. We don't want our girls to have to wait on your boys, or be bullied by your older boys. My girls were ready to start K at 5, and my first grader especially is in class full of boys who turned 7 before winter break and it's just a mess. Boys starting Kindergarten later is NOT the answer, trust me.

DP. Actually, I think there's merit to the idea of some children, some boys and a few girls, starting school later, at 7 or 8. Not kindergarten, they would start in 2nd or 3rd grade. This would mean that someone, parent or older sibling, would have taught them to read and do addition and subtraction first. My boys would have benefitted from that, more maturity, before starting school.

It would be difficult though, probably prohibitively difficult.

You think? We don’t live in Sweden. This country barely gives maternity leave and doesn’t offer pre-k but you think it’s going to change its paradigm so that boys can start school at 7 or 8?

[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]You know what? Women had to work like crazy to break into professional careers, network, wear power suits and work there a$$es off. We had to learn all the rules of the men’s club in order to get a foot in (after centuries of being treated like chattel). Give me an effing break with this nonsense that men can no longer figure out how to be successful. [/quote]

Okay.

Just ignore the mass shootings, overdoses. Also ignore the lousy women managers and unhappy single parents. You worked hard and got yours. [/quote]
WHAT DO YOU WANT WOMEN TO DO? [/quote]

Stop going to college and grad school and stop pursuing careers, so they’ll once again have to rely on men to put roofs over their heads.[/quote]

You mean like whining about college debt and dumping it off on the taxpayer men who did not go to college? Don't kid yourself, you are still relying on men. In more ways than you realize.[/quote]

I wasn’t aware debt relief was only available to women. Oh, that’s right it’s available to men and women. Also, there are always “handouts” from the government for everything. Farmers get bailed out all the time. College graduates pay more in taxes. People without kids pay for schools. People pay for Medicaid for people that don’t earn enough (like people that don’t go to college).[/quote]

Women hold the vast majority of college debt, genius. And a bunch of those government programs are just indirect wealth transfers from men to women. Strong, don't need no man, women.

[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]You know what? Women had to work like crazy to break into professional careers, network, wear power suits and work there a$$es off. We had to learn all the rules of the men’s club in order to get a foot in (after centuries of being treated like chattel). Give me an effing break with this nonsense that men can no longer figure out how to be successful. [/quote]

Okay.

Just ignore the mass shootings, overdoses. Also ignore the lousy women managers and unhappy single parents. You worked hard and got yours. [/quote]
WHAT DO YOU WANT WOMEN TO DO? [/quote]

Stop going to college and grad school and stop pursuing careers, so they’ll once again have to rely on men to put roofs over their heads.[/quote]

You mean like whining about college debt and dumping it off on the taxpayer men who did not go to college? Don't kid yourself, you are still relying on men. In more ways than you realize.[/quote]

I wasn’t aware debt relief was only available to women. Oh, that’s right it’s available to men and women. Also, there are always “handouts” from the government for everything. Farmers get bailed out all the time. College graduates pay more in taxes. People without kids pay for schools. People pay for Medicaid for people that don’t earn enough (like people that don’t go to college).

Anonymous wrote:I’m a woman who was born and raised in a district with a 9/1 cutoff. My Bday is in late November and the advantage of that become more obvious as the years went on, and was blatantly obvious in college.

My niece, also in a district with a 9/1 cutoff, has a 9/5 bday. I hope that will be an advantage for her.

IDK. I was in a 12/1 cutoff born 12/4 and it was a huge disadvantage overall, looking back. Sure, in later years to some extent academically, but socially it was rough initially. I felt like I was surrounded by babies in Kindergarten! Nap time and help with butt wiping? Wut?! Someone later advised my parents on this issue and said generally, "push the girls and hold the boys" and that resonated as true for me. The combination of "gifted" academically/kind of precocious and older than peers isn't great in my experience.

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Anonymous wrote:This is a lazy white man problem. I'm first gen immigrant and have two sons - one is in med school, the other one sophomore at MIT. In my house I didn't allow Bs and laziness. They both know how to cook, clean after themselves, and fix things around the house. They are happy, well adjusted young adults with friends and they have girlfriends. I have 3 brothers and 8 male cousins and the only one who is single is broke and a drunk.

This is why I only date immigrants. If men from Iran and Pakistan of all places can figure out how to be masculine without being brutes, there's no reason why American men can't. I truly do not understand.

And they all know how to cook and clean, and they even wipe their as--s.

I'm the 1st gen immigrant mom so your post made me realize that three of my neighbors (wasp women) are married to very successful POC men. One to an Indian surgeon, one to a Korean dentist, and one to a big law partner who was born in the Caribbean's.

What is a man? What is a woman?

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Anonymous wrote:This is a lazy white man problem. I'm first gen immigrant and have two sons - one is in med school, the other one sophomore at MIT. In my house I didn't allow Bs and laziness. They both know how to cook, clean after themselves, and fix things around the house. They are happy, well adjusted young adults with friends and they have girlfriends. I have 3 brothers and 8 male cousins and the only one who is single is broke and a drunk.

You hit the nail on the head. They're not willing to take responsibility, but a lot of this is a white mom coddling her male children problem. Maybe if mommy had treated little Johnny the same way as she treated Jennifer, this wouldn't be a problem.

You lot turn into the bootstraps, personal responsibility crusaders real quick when it's not your problem being discussed. Funny how that works.

I’m a woman who was born and raised in a district with a 9/1 cutoff. My Bday is in late November and the advantage of that become more obvious as the years went on, and was blatantly obvious in college.

My niece, also in a district with a 9/1 cutoff, has a 9/5 bday. I hope that will be an advantage for her.

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Anonymous wrote:This is a lazy white man problem. I'm first gen immigrant and have two sons - one is in med school, the other one sophomore at MIT. In my house I didn't allow Bs and laziness. They both know how to cook, clean after themselves, and fix things around the house. They are happy, well adjusted young adults with friends and they have girlfriends. I have 3 brothers and 8 male cousins and the only one who is single is broke and a drunk.

This is why I only date immigrants. If men from Iran and Pakistan of all places can figure out how to be masculine without being brutes, there's no reason why American men can't. I truly do not understand.

And they all know how to cook and clean, and they even wipe their as--s.

Anonymous wrote:This is a lazy white man problem. I'm first gen immigrant and have two sons - one is in med school, the other one sophomore at MIT. In my house I didn't allow Bs and laziness. They both know how to cook, clean after themselves, and fix things around the house. They are happy, well adjusted young adults with friends and they have girlfriends. I have 3 brothers and 8 male cousins and the only one who is single is broke and a drunk.

This is why I only date immigrants. If men from Iran and Pakistan of all places can figure out how to be masculine without being brutes, there's no reason why American men can't. I truly do not understand.

Anonymous wrote:This is a lazy white man problem. I'm first gen immigrant and have two sons - one is in med school, the other one sophomore at MIT. In my house I didn't allow Bs and laziness. They both know how to cook, clean after themselves, and fix things around the house. They are happy, well adjusted young adults with friends and they have girlfriends. I have 3 brothers and 8 male cousins and the only one who is single is broke and a drunk.

The immigrant families I know have their sons living at home at 25+