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You clearly don’t know policing. You realize they also respond to CALLS, correct? And that they aren’t running around pulling people over all day? Calls are way up and officers are down. As for your “work stoppage,” it simply isn’t happening. I know many cops, and they are too busy doing their jobs and covering the shortages. Are they upset with the council? Yes, and rightfully so. If you have paid ANY attention to this council for the past couple of years, you would know that the problems faced in recruitment and retention fall very heavily on the council and its vitriol toward the department.

And to say the Council is “eating it up”? Very mature.

This is a US-wide phenomenon, it's not just Montgomery County. And at least part of it is due to the actions of police officers in the US, which have caused a reassessment of policing in general. There can only be so much attention on so many bad cops before people start to wonder whether there's a systemic problem.

That's the thing. The media, particularly social media, take low probability/high consequence incidents and drive them into our eyes/ears/brains until it is the only reality we know. And then we demand policy changes based on the cognitive distortion of imagined frequency.

1,000 deaths at the hands of police is horrible. Every life matters. But when put in context of the number of police contacts, which is 61 million per year across the U.S., that's 0.002% chance of death each time you encounter a police officer.

That's one in 2,000
Your risk of dying in a gun assault are one in 221.

Excellent post. But I’m still waiting for someone to jump in with the “even one death is too many!” nonsense.

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You clearly don’t know policing. You realize they also respond to CALLS, correct? And that they aren’t running around pulling people over all day? Calls are way up and officers are down. As for your “work stoppage,” it simply isn’t happening. I know many cops, and they are too busy doing their jobs and covering the shortages. Are they upset with the council? Yes, and rightfully so. If you have paid ANY attention to this council for the past couple of years, you would know that the problems faced in recruitment and retention fall very heavily on the council and its vitriol toward the department.

And to say the Council is “eating it up”? Very mature.

This is a US-wide phenomenon, it's not just Montgomery County. And at least part of it is due to the actions of police officers in the US, which have caused a reassessment of policing in general. There can only be so much attention on so many bad cops before people start to wonder whether there's a systemic problem.

That's the thing. The media, particularly social media, take low probability/high consequence incidents and drive them into our eyes/ears/brains until it is the only reality we know. And then we demand policy changes based on the cognitive distortion of imagined frequency.

1,000 deaths at the hands of police is horrible. Every life matters. But when put in context of the number of police contacts, which is 61 million per year across the U.S., that's 0.002% chance of death each time you encounter a police officer.

That's one in 2,000
Your risk of dying in a gun assault are one in 221.

Excellent post. But I’m still waiting for someone to jump in with the “even one death is too many!” nonsense.

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Anonymous wrote:Who on the council is "falling all over themselves to praise police?"

The only example I can think of is Elrich's absurd covid bonuses.

I’m the PP who posted above about the council’s treatment of police. I can’t think of one time I’ve witnessed this, and I do watch council proceedings.

All one needs to do is go to certain council members’ social media accounts and search for references to the police. It’s just criticism after criticism after criticism. No support at all. Recruitment for police is down nationwide, but it is critical here.

Names? Examples?

Hucker and Jawando were the worst. Riemer on occasion.

This new Council? Mink.

So 2 out of 11 current councilmembers are by themselves making police work so difficult that they need to reduce traffic stops by 2/3? Through their Twitter posts.

Well, I suppose if you limit their impact to solely social media.

But don't forget the 30+ new legal mandates they've placed on police over the past 2 years, and all the negative discussion that surrounded those deliberations.

I was about to post this. Thank you.

That sounds very persuasive but the police themselves are not blaming the "30+ legal mandates" for the work stoppage. They are blaming the "rhetoric". And I actually have listened to council sessions and find the notion that the rhetoric during the sessions was in any way offensive or abusive towards police hilarious. There are current and former councilmembers that are abusive bullies. Jawando, Hucker, Riemer and Mink are not in this group.

Have you been listening to the council for the past couple of years? You don’t see the hostility?

In any case, it doesn’t matter if you see it. We went from full recruit classes and the pick of applicants to barely being able to fill a class. This used to be the county law enforcement officers wanted to work for. It was a premier department. Now we can’t keep pace with any of the neighboring counties. The word is out that officers aren’t supported. It doesn’t matter whether you see it. Others do.

The word is out that there are serious problems with policing and departments are resistant to change. Of course nobody wants to join.

Here it is. Instead of looking at the real challenges faced by our officers, you just jumped to “they don’t want to change.” That’s not true for MCPD, a department that has been ahead of the curve (and held to higher standards) than most departments in the country. That’s why our officers historically have become chiefs elsewhere. Instead of seeing that they want to work with the county, you assume here that there must be some flaw within the officers.

This is exactly what some of us saw from the last council: assumptions, not grounded in an actual understanding of the situation

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

You clearly don’t know policing. You realize they also respond to CALLS, correct? And that they aren’t running around pulling people over all day? Calls are way up and officers are down. As for your “work stoppage,” it simply isn’t happening. I know many cops, and they are too busy doing their jobs and covering the shortages. Are they upset with the council? Yes, and rightfully so. If you have paid ANY attention to this council for the past couple of years, you would know that the problems faced in recruitment and retention fall very heavily on the council and its vitriol toward the department.

And to say the Council is “eating it up”? Very mature.

This is a US-wide phenomenon, it's not just Montgomery County. And at least part of it is due to the actions of police officers in the US, which have caused a reassessment of policing in general. There can only be so much attention on so many bad cops before people start to wonder whether there's a systemic problem.

That's the thing. The media, particularly social media, take low probability/high consequence incidents and drive them into our eyes/ears/brains until it is the only reality we know. And then we demand policy changes based on the cognitive distortion of imagined frequency.

1,000 deaths at the hands of police is horrible. Every life matters. But when put in context of the number of police contacts, which is 61 million per year across the U.S., that's 0.002% chance of death each time you encounter a police officer.

That's one in 2,000
Your risk of dying in a gun assault are one in 221.

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Who on the council is "falling all over themselves to praise police?"

The only example I can think of is Elrich's absurd covid bonuses.

I’m the PP who posted above about the council’s treatment of police. I can’t think of one time I’ve witnessed this, and I do watch council proceedings.

All one needs to do is go to certain council members’ social media accounts and search for references to the police. It’s just criticism after criticism after criticism. No support at all. Recruitment for police is down nationwide, but it is critical here.

Names? Examples?

Hucker and Jawando were the worst. Riemer on occasion.

This new Council? Mink.

So 2 out of 11 current councilmembers are by themselves making police work so difficult that they need to reduce traffic stops by 2/3? Through their Twitter posts.

Well, I suppose if you limit their impact to solely social media.

But don't forget the 30+ new legal mandates they've placed on police over the past 2 years, and all the negative discussion that surrounded those deliberations.

I was about to post this. Thank you.

That sounds very persuasive but the police themselves are not blaming the "30+ legal mandates" for the work stoppage. They are blaming the "rhetoric". And I actually have listened to council sessions and find the notion that the rhetoric during the sessions was in any way offensive or abusive towards police hilarious. There are current and former councilmembers that are abusive bullies. Jawando, Hucker, Riemer and Mink are not in this group.

Have you been listening to the council for the past couple of years? You don’t see the hostility?

In any case, it doesn’t matter if you see it. We went from full recruit classes and the pick of applicants to barely being able to fill a class. This used to be the county law enforcement officers wanted to work for. It was a premier department. Now we can’t keep pace with any of the neighboring counties. The word is out that officers aren’t supported. It doesn’t matter whether you see it. Others do.

The word is out that there are serious problems with policing and departments are resistant to change. Of course nobody wants to join.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Who on the council is "falling all over themselves to praise police?"

The only example I can think of is Elrich's absurd covid bonuses.

I’m the PP who posted above about the council’s treatment of police. I can’t think of one time I’ve witnessed this, and I do watch council proceedings.

All one needs to do is go to certain council members’ social media accounts and search for references to the police. It’s just criticism after criticism after criticism. No support at all. Recruitment for police is down nationwide, but it is critical here.

Names? Examples?

Hucker and Jawando were the worst. Riemer on occasion.

This new Council? Mink.

So 2 out of 11 current councilmembers are by themselves making police work so difficult that they need to reduce traffic stops by 2/3? Through their Twitter posts.

Well, I suppose if you limit their impact to solely social media.

But don't forget the 30+ new legal mandates they've placed on police over the past 2 years, and all the negative discussion that surrounded those deliberations.

I was about to post this. Thank you.

That sounds very persuasive but the police themselves are not blaming the "30+ legal mandates" for the work stoppage. They are blaming the "rhetoric". And I actually have listened to council sessions and find the notion that the rhetoric during the sessions was in any way offensive or abusive towards police hilarious. There are current and former councilmembers that are abusive bullies. Jawando, Hucker, Riemer and Mink are not in this group.

Have you been listening to the council for the past couple of years? You don’t see the hostility?

In any case, it doesn’t matter if you see it. We went from full recruit classes and the pick of applicants to barely being able to fill a class. This used to be the county law enforcement officers wanted to work for. It was a premier department. Now we can’t keep pace with any of the neighboring counties. The word is out that officers aren’t supported. It doesn’t matter whether you see it. Others do.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Who on the council is "falling all over themselves to praise police?"

The only example I can think of is Elrich's absurd covid bonuses.

I’m the PP who posted above about the council’s treatment of police. I can’t think of one time I’ve witnessed this, and I do watch council proceedings.

All one needs to do is go to certain council members’ social media accounts and search for references to the police. It’s just criticism after criticism after criticism. No support at all. Recruitment for police is down nationwide, but it is critical here.

Names? Examples?

Hucker and Jawando were the worst. Riemer on occasion.

This new Council? Mink.

So 2 out of 11 current councilmembers are by themselves making police work so difficult that they need to reduce traffic stops by 2/3? Through their Twitter posts.

Well, I suppose if you limit their impact to solely social media.

But don't forget the 30+ new legal mandates they've placed on police over the past 2 years, and all the negative discussion that surrounded those deliberations.

I was about to post this. Thank you.

That sounds very persuasive but the police themselves are not blaming the "30+ legal mandates" for the work stoppage. They are blaming the "rhetoric". And I actually have listened to council sessions and find the notion that the rhetoric during the sessions was in any way offensive or abusive towards police hilarious. There are current and former councilmembers that are abusive bullies. Jawando, Hucker, Riemer and Mink are not in this group.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Who on the council is "falling all over themselves to praise police?"

The only example I can think of is Elrich's absurd covid bonuses.

I’m the PP who posted above about the council’s treatment of police. I can’t think of one time I’ve witnessed this, and I do watch council proceedings.

All one needs to do is go to certain council members’ social media accounts and search for references to the police. It’s just criticism after criticism after criticism. No support at all. Recruitment for police is down nationwide, but it is critical here.

Names? Examples?

Hucker and Jawando were the worst. Riemer on occasion.

This new Council? Mink.

So 2 out of 11 current councilmembers are by themselves making police work so difficult that they need to reduce traffic stops by 2/3? Through their Twitter posts.

Well, I suppose if you limit their impact to solely social media.

But don't forget the 30+ new legal mandates they've placed on police over the past 2 years, and all the negative discussion that surrounded those deliberations.

I was about to post this. Thank you.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Who on the council is "falling all over themselves to praise police?"

The only example I can think of is Elrich's absurd covid bonuses.

I’m the PP who posted above about the council’s treatment of police. I can’t think of one time I’ve witnessed this, and I do watch council proceedings.

All one needs to do is go to certain council members’ social media accounts and search for references to the police. It’s just criticism after criticism after criticism. No support at all. Recruitment for police is down nationwide, but it is critical here.

Names? Examples?

Hucker and Jawando were the worst. Riemer on occasion.

This new Council? Mink.

So 2 out of 11 current councilmembers are by themselves making police work so difficult that they need to reduce traffic stops by 2/3? Through their Twitter posts.

Well, I suppose if you limit their impact to solely social media.

But don't forget the 30+ new legal mandates they've placed on police over the past 2 years, and all the negative discussion that surrounded those deliberations.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

You clearly don’t know policing. You realize they also respond to CALLS, correct? And that they aren’t running around pulling people over all day? Calls are way up and officers are down. As for your “work stoppage,” it simply isn’t happening. I know many cops, and they are too busy doing their jobs and covering the shortages. Are they upset with the council? Yes, and rightfully so. If you have paid ANY attention to this council for the past couple of years, you would know that the problems faced in recruitment and retention fall very heavily on the council and its vitriol toward the department.

And to say the Council is “eating it up”? Very mature.

This is a US-wide phenomenon, it's not just Montgomery County. And at least part of it is due to the actions of police officers in the US, which have caused a reassessment of policing in general. There can only be so much attention on so many bad cops before people start to wonder whether there's a systemic problem.

That's the thing. The media, particularly social media, take low probability/high consequence incidents and drive them into our eyes/ears/brains until it is the only reality we know. And then we demand policy changes based on the cognitive distortion of imagined frequency.

1,000 deaths at the hands of police is horrible. Every life matters. But when put in context of the number of police contacts, which is 61 million per year across the U.S., that's 0.002% chance of death each time you encounter a police officer.

That's one in 2,000
Your risk of dying in a gun assault are one in 221.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Who on the council is "falling all over themselves to praise police?"

The only example I can think of is Elrich's absurd covid bonuses.

I’m the PP who posted above about the council’s treatment of police. I can’t think of one time I’ve witnessed this, and I do watch council proceedings.

All one needs to do is go to certain council members’ social media accounts and search for references to the police. It’s just criticism after criticism after criticism. No support at all. Recruitment for police is down nationwide, but it is critical here.

Names? Examples?

Hucker and Jawando were the worst. Riemer on occasion.

This new Council? Mink.

So 2 out of 11 current councilmembers are by themselves making police work so difficult that they need to reduce traffic stops by 2/3? Through their Twitter posts.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Who on the council is "falling all over themselves to praise police?"

The only example I can think of is Elrich's absurd covid bonuses.

I’m the PP who posted above about the council’s treatment of police. I can’t think of one time I’ve witnessed this, and I do watch council proceedings.

All one needs to do is go to certain council members’ social media accounts and search for references to the police. It’s just criticism after criticism after criticism. No support at all. Recruitment for police is down nationwide, but it is critical here.

Names? Examples?

Hucker and Jawando were the worst. Riemer on occasion.

This new Council? Mink.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Who on the council is "falling all over themselves to praise police?"

The only example I can think of is Elrich's absurd covid bonuses.

I’m the PP who posted above about the council’s treatment of police. I can’t think of one time I’ve witnessed this, and I do watch council proceedings.

All one needs to do is go to certain council members’ social media accounts and search for references to the police. It’s just criticism after criticism after criticism. No support at all. Recruitment for police is down nationwide, but it is critical here.

Names? Examples?

Hucker and Jawando were the worst. Riemer on occasion.

This new Council? Mink.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

You clearly don’t know policing. You realize they also respond to CALLS, correct? And that they aren’t running around pulling people over all day? Calls are way up and officers are down. As for your “work stoppage,” it simply isn’t happening. I know many cops, and they are too busy doing their jobs and covering the shortages. Are they upset with the council? Yes, and rightfully so. If you have paid ANY attention to this council for the past couple of years, you would know that the problems faced in recruitment and retention fall very heavily on the council and its vitriol toward the department.

And to say the Council is “eating it up”? Very mature.

This is a US-wide phenomenon, it's not just Montgomery County. And at least part of it is due to the actions of police officers in the US, which have caused a reassessment of policing in general. There can only be so much attention on so many bad cops before people start to wonder whether there's a systemic problem.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Who on the council is "falling all over themselves to praise police?"

The only example I can think of is Elrich's absurd covid bonuses.

I’m the PP who posted above about the council’s treatment of police. I can’t think of one time I’ve witnessed this, and I do watch council proceedings.

All one needs to do is go to certain council members’ social media accounts and search for references to the police. It’s just criticism after criticism after criticism. No support at all. Recruitment for police is down nationwide, but it is critical here.

Names? Examples?