Anonymous
02/02/2023 22:00
Subject: Magnet application result High School
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:What are you even talking about? My child has not shown me the list but mentioned a bunch of friends who got in over dinner. I know these kids and DC has said for 2.5 years they are all the top students with 300+ MAP scores.
The top mostly Asian 300+ students have got in. Agree. Seems though that the bar for Asian kids is 300+ while the bar for others is much lower.
And? It's a county-wide program so they need to take students from other middle schools, not just TPMS . And I bet you Asian kids from North Bethesda MS or Julius West MS have a much lower bar, too.
Not the point. Just comparing kids within TPMS. If a 290 Asian boy doesn't get in but a 260 white kid or a 250 girl gets in that means Asians are just being compared among themselves. Like they are not real individuals but just a homogenous group.
Except it’s completely race blind so the commute has no idea who is Asian and who isn’t. So if the 290 kid didn’t get in it’s because there was another candidate that was better. Maybe they didn’t have all As. Maybe they didn’t demonstrate an interest in stem their essay. Maybe they didn’t seem as well rounded. Maybe your kid is just not as smart as you think they are.
Anonymous
02/02/2023 21:58
Subject: Magnet application result High School
Anonymous wrote:I think the discussion is about Blair SMAC.
The list I saw from TPMS (compiled by the kids) seemed to have very few white kids.
It’s pretty shameful to come in here and try to undermine the very real accomplishments of these kids just to make yourself feel better. I think the kids know better than that. Mine certainly does.
Anonymous
02/02/2023 21:56
Subject: Magnet application result High School
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:What are you even talking about? My child has not shown me the list but mentioned a bunch of friends who got in over dinner. I know these kids and DC has said for 2.5 years they are all the top students with 300+ MAP scores.
The top mostly Asian 300+ students have got in. Agree. Seems though that the bar for Asian kids is 300+ while the bar for others is much lower.
And? It's a county-wide program so they need to take students from other middle schools, not just TPMS . And I bet you Asian kids from North Bethesda MS or Julius West MS have a much lower bar, too.
Not the point. Just comparing kids within TPMS. If a 290 Asian boy doesn't get in but a 260 white kid or a 250 girl gets in that means Asians are just being compared among themselves. Like they are not real individuals but just a homogenous group.
Anonymous
02/02/2023 21:55
Subject: Magnet application result High School
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:What are you even talking about? My child has not shown me the list but mentioned a bunch of friends who got in over dinner. I know these kids and DC has said for 2.5 years they are all the top students with 300+ MAP scores.
The top mostly Asian 300+ students have got in. Agree. Seems though that the bar for Asian kids is 300+ while the bar for others is much lower.
And? It's a county-wide program so they need to take students from other middle schools, not just TPMS . And I bet you Asian kids from North Bethesda MS or Julius West MS have a much lower bar, too.
NP. I don't think they are supposed to take school into account for HS but I'm not sure. I'm not surprised a lot of kids got in from TPMS. This is an unusual class because it may be one of two grades that got into the MS magnets through universal selection and not a lottery or application. You'd expect that process to concentrate a lot of the top students at TPMS. I think next year they may have kids coming from more middle schools.
PP one possibility is there were a lot of highly qualified kids around the same range in terms of scores and grades at TPMS applying and they tried to create a diverse class based on the essays. I don't mean diverse necessarily in terms of race but of background and interests and there may be a race or ethnic correlation.
Even at the time 3 years ago, I wasn’t convinced that they got all the best students. But sure, they are definitely better than their lottery fellows at magnet.
Anonymous
02/02/2023 21:52
Subject: Magnet application result High School
I think the discussion is about Blair SMAC.
Anonymous
02/02/2023 21:51
Subject: Magnet application result High School
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:What are you even talking about? My child has not shown me the list but mentioned a bunch of friends who got in over dinner. I know these kids and DC has said for 2.5 years they are all the top students with 300+ MAP scores.
I can’t even understand if they are mad that too many Asian or Indian or white kids got in? Too many minorities or too few? Or too many girls? (The list I saw —briefly — seemed heavy on boys).
At the open house last November it seemed white kids were in the minority.
RMIB is ~90% Asian. These people claiming discrimination are bonkers.
Anonymous
02/02/2023 21:49
Subject: Magnet application result High School
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:What are you even talking about? My child has not shown me the list but mentioned a bunch of friends who got in over dinner. I know these kids and DC has said for 2.5 years they are all the top students with 300+ MAP scores.
The top mostly Asian 300+ students have got in. Agree. Seems though that the bar for Asian kids is 300+ while the bar for others is much lower.
And? It's a county-wide program so they need to take students from other middle schools, not just TPMS . And I bet you Asian kids from North Bethesda MS or Julius West MS have a much lower bar, too.
NP. I don't think they are supposed to take school into account for HS but I'm not sure. I'm not surprised a lot of kids got in from TPMS. This is an unusual class because it may be one of two grades that got into the MS magnets through universal selection and not a lottery or application. You'd expect that process to concentrate a lot of the top students at TPMS. I think next year they may have kids coming from more middle schools.
PP one possibility is there were a lot of highly qualified kids around the same range in terms of scores and grades at TPMS applying and they tried to create a diverse class based on the essays. I don't mean diverse necessarily in terms of race but of background and interests and there may be a race or ethnic correlation.
Anonymous
02/02/2023 21:48
Subject: Magnet application result High School
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:What are you even talking about? My child has not shown me the list but mentioned a bunch of friends who got in over dinner. I know these kids and DC has said for 2.5 years they are all the top students with 300+ MAP scores.
The top mostly Asian 300+ students have got in. Agree. Seems though that the bar for Asian kids is 300+ while the bar for others is much lower.
Maybe they wrote a better essay. Maybe their interests and hobbies are more aligned with the program. Map scores are only a small part of the criteria. 99th percentile below 300 is still top, add a compelling essay and hobbies that stands out and it makes a more interesting candidate
There’s a poster here who has convincingly argued in the past that MAP isn’t designed to differentiate between degrees of 99th percentile and that there is no meaningful difference between 270 and 310 scores. Maybe that’s what the committee thought too.
Anonymous
02/02/2023 21:47
Subject: Re:Magnet application result High School
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:kid is saying they based out of sports, since friends with less score got in or at least wait listed by doing a sport
I doubt this very much. Sounds like some resentment there.
it is not resentment, it is from a kid who does the best at everything and goes above and beyond, so when trying to see who got in with less scores vs who did not get in with good scores, the difference seemed to be being in a team sport,
The other child may have written stronger essays. RM cares a lot about writing.
Anonymous
02/02/2023 21:45
Subject: Magnet application result High School
Anonymous wrote:What are you even talking about? My child has not shown me the list but mentioned a bunch of friends who got in over dinner. I know these kids and DC has said for 2.5 years they are all the top students with 300+ MAP scores.
I can’t even understand if they are mad that too many Asian or Indian or white kids got in? Too many minorities or too few? Or too many girls? (The list I saw —briefly — seemed heavy on boys).
At the open house last November it seemed white kids were in the minority.
Anonymous
02/02/2023 21:44
Subject: Magnet application result High School
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:What are you even talking about? My child has not shown me the list but mentioned a bunch of friends who got in over dinner. I know these kids and DC has said for 2.5 years they are all the top students with 300+ MAP scores.
The top mostly Asian 300+ students have got in. Agree. Seems though that the bar for Asian kids is 300+ while the bar for others is much lower.
Maybe they wrote a better essay. Maybe their interests and hobbies are more aligned with the program. Map scores are only a small part of the criteria. 99th percentile below 300 is still top, add a compelling essay and hobbies that stands out and it makes a more interesting candidate
Anonymous
02/02/2023 21:43
Subject: Re:Magnet application result High School
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:TPMS kids have a running list of those who made it.
seems to be some social engineering going on for sure. to limit certain groups and get diversity. definitely seems like there is a school/gender quota. and maybe other criteria too. it is all so opaque. and the lack of a test and teacher recs just makes it unfair.
the bar is way higher for males and also for certain races. kids can see the unfairness but they will have to live with it.
What are you even talking about??? My kid has shown me the list and no obvious bias was evident. Sheesh, i hope you didn’t share this ridiculous view with your kid.
I didn't share my view with kid. It is the other way around. however kind and inclusive a kid is, at some point the unfairness is obvious and hurts.
I am not saying the selected kids won't do well but there are different standards for different kids. no doubt.
You don't even know these kids. You just know what your kid tells you.
What her upset kid tells her. Don’t want to blame the kid because it’s understandable to be disappointed but this sounds like a kid lashing out.
Anonymous
02/02/2023 21:42
Subject: Re:Magnet application result High School
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:TPMS kids have a running list of those who made it.
seems to be some social engineering going on for sure. to limit certain groups and get diversity. definitely seems like there is a school/gender quota. and maybe other criteria too. it is all so opaque. and the lack of a test and teacher recs just makes it unfair.
the bar is way higher for males and also for certain races. kids can see the unfairness but they will have to live with it.
What are you even talking about??? My kid has shown me the list and no obvious bias was evident. Sheesh, i hope you didn’t share this ridiculous view with your kid.[/quote
I didn't share my view with kid. It is the other way around. however kind and inclusive a kid is, at some point the unfairness is obvious and hurts.
I am not saying the selected kids won't do well but there are different standards for different kids. no doubt.
I really don’t know what you are talking about. Please can you elaborate on those claims?
Anonymous
02/02/2023 21:42
Subject: Magnet application result High School
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:What are you even talking about? My child has not shown me the list but mentioned a bunch of friends who got in over dinner. I know these kids and DC has said for 2.5 years they are all the top students with 300+ MAP scores.
The top mostly Asian 300+ students have got in. Agree. Seems though that the bar for Asian kids is 300+ while the bar for others is much lower.
And? It's a county-wide program so they need to take students from other middle schools, not just TPMS . And I bet you Asian kids from North Bethesda MS or Julius West MS have a much lower bar, too.
Anonymous
02/02/2023 21:34
Subject: Magnet application result High School
Anonymous wrote:What are you even talking about? My child has not shown me the list but mentioned a bunch of friends who got in over dinner. I know these kids and DC has said for 2.5 years they are all the top students with 300+ MAP scores.
The top mostly Asian 300+ students have got in. Agree. Seems though that the bar for Asian kids is 300+ while the bar for others is much lower.