Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:OPs point is that affirmative action means URMs are not taken seriously. Stick to the topic - and leave others out of this.
No OP says her kids feel pressure to prove themselves. Given the fact that they legally have an advantage in college admissions. Fact is they can get in with lower stats.
Many posters are pointing out that she is living in an oppressed bubble by not realizing that Asian kids have actual pressure to prove themselves given the fact they are legally discriminated against in college admissions. Fact is they must have higher stats than OPs kid plus all the extras to even make the first cut.
OP please remember the higher stress and mental disadvantages other kids have to face before lamenting on the small discomfort your kids might feel while they head off to top schools.
This is not accurate. All the stats are high. Trying to claim a 1600 scorer is smarter than a 1530 or a kid who doesn't test well who submitted other validation is ridiculous.
Some Asian kids often have pressure from parents to prove themselves in a very narrow way. It results in similar candidates. If parents didn't push the aops, test prep (A++, Dr. Li, etc) for various stem magnets, cty, piano/strings, robotics, aime, (if sport) golf/tennis, hyper stem focus etc etc, students would be better able to offer diverse assets to the community. If more kids were able to focus on what interests them, that would make a difference.
Also, Ivies are over 20-30% Asian. Significantly more than URMs combined and far greater than general population.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:OPs point is that affirmative action means URMs are not taken seriously. Stick to the topic - and leave others out of this.
No OP says her kids feel pressure to prove themselves. Given the fact that they legally have an advantage in college admissions. Fact is they can get in with lower stats.
Many posters are pointing out that she is living in an oppressed bubble by not realizing that Asian kids have actual pressure to prove themselves given the fact they are legally discriminated against in college admissions. Fact is they must have higher stats than OPs kid plus all the extras to even make the first cut.
OP please remember the higher stress and mental disadvantages other kids have to face before lamenting on the small discomfort your kids might feel while they head off to top schools.
Anonymous wrote:Just own it, who cares what other people think? I guess I just don't get this line of thinking. People scream ad-nauseum about white privilege, take a look at how all those white people cope on a day to day basis as they drip with all of their privilege and live their easy lives and incorporate it into your paradigm for life.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:When Affirmative Action is removed, I worry White families might continue to feel their kids will be at a disadvantage. Going by scores alone, most elite schools will be filled with Asian American students.
Curious why this is a worry. Because your assumption that these institutions should belong to white hands? That's the crux of all this. Someone is taking something from White kids. I would love 10 years of Asian only admits to see how that shakes out in society - for so many reasons!
Well, yes, since the vast majority of Asians have only lived in this country for the last couple of decades. Out-reproducing the United States and then moving here for our excellent education, doesn't entitle you to all of the spots at top schools. So yes, those spots do belong in the hands of people who have funded them for generations.
In fact 18 years.
My kid was born in the US, and 18 years old.
Your kid is not some sort of higher class citizen who deserves more.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:OPs point is that affirmative action means URMs are not taken seriously. Stick to the topic - and leave others out of this.
No OP says her kids feel pressure to prove themselves. Given the fact that they legally have an advantage in college admissions. Fact is they can get in with lower stats.
Many posters are pointing out that she is living in an oppressed bubble by not realizing that Asian kids have actual pressure to prove themselves given the fact they are legally discriminated against in college admissions. Fact is they must have higher stats than OPs kid plus all the extras to even make the first cut.
OP please remember the higher stress and mental disadvantages other kids have to face before lamenting on the small discomfort your kids might feel while they head off to top schools.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:When Affirmative Action is removed, I worry White families might continue to feel their kids will be at a disadvantage. Going by scores alone, most elite schools will be filled with Asian American students.
Curious why this is a worry. Because your assumption that these institutions should belong to white hands? That's the crux of all this. Someone is taking something from White kids. I would love 10 years of Asian only admits to see how that shakes out in society - for so many reasons!
Well, yes, since the vast majority of Asians have only lived in this country for the last couple of decades. Out-reproducing the United States and then moving here for our excellent education, doesn't entitle you to all of the spots at top schools. So yes, those spots do belong in the hands of people who have funded them for generations.
Anonymous wrote:When requirements are lower for certain groups (whether race, legacy, gender, etc) than for others, and where there are far more qualified candidates than available slots, it would seem simply correct to state that the people in those groups have an easier time being admitted and that there is not a level playing field. That doesn’t at all mean that they are not qualified and won’t do a terrific job, or won’t make the best and a terrific use of the opportunity. But to simultaneously state your legacy status, race, or gender on an application, knowing that it is to your benefit, and then to express frustration that others recognize this basic fact, seems disingenuous.
I personally am quite glad that there is affirmative action. I think it is good for our society and the right choice. I also know that, on average, my kids will need to score multiple hundreds of points higher than their wealthy URM and legacy classmates at the top of DC private. Is that fair or equitable on the small scale? I think not. Does it make sense to me on the wider scale? To me, yes. But that doesn’t mean that it is not social engineering and that some applicants are held to higher standards. I don’t think that it is inaccurate or offensive to point that out. It’s simply the truth of the policy choice that has been made. But when my daughter is around her primarily URM friends, and they kid her that she and two other girls (Indian descent) in their group should go study, because they actually have to do well on their ACTs, that’s feels true to her. And the kids all know and seem to accept it. Do any of the parents actually think the kids don’t see the different admissions standard applied to certain groups (race, legacy, in certain contexts gender)? They’ve been friends and in school together for years. They are friends, date each other, are in study groups together, etc. does anyone actually think they don’t see that lower grades/scores/activities are required for legacies and URMs, and for goodness sakes that their Asian friends are expected to walk on water to have the same admissions. Could anyone actually say otherwise, regardless of whether you think this is a good policy choice?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:When Affirmative Action is removed, I worry White families might continue to feel their kids will be at a disadvantage. Going by scores alone, most elite schools will be filled with Asian American students.
Curious why this is a worry. Because your assumption that these institutions should belong to white hands? That's the crux of all this. Someone is taking something from White kids. I would love 10 years of Asian only admits to see how that shakes out in society - for so many reasons!
Well, yes, since the vast majority of Asians have only lived in this country for the last couple of decades. Out-reproducing the United States and then moving here for our excellent education, doesn't entitle you to all of the spots at top schools. So yes, those spots do belong in the hands of people who have funded them for generations.
+1000.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:When Affirmative Action is removed, I worry White families might continue to feel their kids will be at a disadvantage. Going by scores alone, most elite schools will be filled with Asian American students.
Curious why this is a worry. Because your assumption that these institutions should belong to white hands? That's the crux of all this. Someone is taking something from White kids. I would love 10 years of Asian only admits to see how that shakes out in society - for so many reasons!
Well, yes, since the vast majority of Asians have only lived in this country for the last couple of decades. Out-reproducing the United States and then moving here for our excellent education, doesn't entitle you to all of the spots at top schools. So yes, those spots do belong in the hands of people who have funded them for generations.
Anonymous wrote:OPs point is that affirmative action means URMs are not taken seriously. Stick to the topic - and leave others out of this.
Anonymous wrote:OPs point is that affirmative action means URMs are not taken seriously. Stick to the topic - and leave others out of this.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:When Affirmative Action is removed, I worry White families might continue to feel their kids will be at a disadvantage. Going by scores alone, most elite schools will be filled with Asian American students.
Curious why this is a worry. Because your assumption that these institutions should belong to white hands? That's the crux of all this. Someone is taking something from White kids. I would love 10 years of Asian only admits to see how that shakes out in society - for so many reasons!
Well, yes, since the vast majority of Asians have only lived in this country for the last couple of decades. Out-reproducing the United States and then moving here for our excellent education, doesn't entitle you to all of the spots at top schools. So yes, those spots do belong in the hands of people who have funded them for generations.
Wow - so does the date at which your family showed up in the US determine the cut off date for which citizens get to be real citizens or fake citizens? What if the cutoff date is the Mayflower landing and only one side of your family goes back that far, do you get partial rights? How about Asian American immigrants who have intermarried with people with Native American heritage? What is their status?
You know Asians are not the first First Generation (either in the US, or college students) applying to US colleges right now, don't you? What gives you the right to think you are the only ones who "deserve" an education, at a specific school? Look, you moved from one crowded continent to another, and the US is just getting more crowded - AND the US is not a Communist Society - so you are just going to have to adapt.