Anonymous
Post 01/23/2023 16:53     Subject: Florida bans AP African-American Studies course from schools
What's he so afraid of? That people actually acknowledge the intersectionality of being queer AND Black? He seems to want to do everything in his power to eliminate the existence of gay people. It sort of sounds like ... an agenda.
Anonymous
Post 01/23/2023 16:50     Subject: Florida bans AP African-American Studies course from schools
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Anonymous wrote:I think kids need to learn the basics, and learn them well.

These area studies courses tend to be about affirmation of certain political views rather than scholarship.

That being said, I also believe in the generalized value of free speech and a market place of ideas, so I am not thrilled with DeSantis banning them, either.


AP's are for college-bound students. The whole point of taking them is to get advance college credits. As such, anyone taking this course should have already moved beyond the basics.


That’s not really true. A small percentage of students will use them for college credit.

They are really just upper level courses - and I don’t think this one is a good use of time.


That's not at all my experience with schools. Do you have any citations or data to back up that claim?


You can research it- I know this to be true.

So it should be no problem for you to show us why.
Anonymous
Post 01/23/2023 16:31     Subject: Florida bans AP African-American Studies course from schools
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I think kids need to learn the basics, and learn them well.

These area studies courses tend to be about affirmation of certain political views rather than scholarship.

That being said, I also believe in the generalized value of free speech and a market place of ideas, so I am not thrilled with DeSantis banning them, either.


AP's are for college-bound students. The whole point of taking them is to get advance college credits. As such, anyone taking this course should have already moved beyond the basics.


That’s not really true. A small percentage of students will use them for college credit.

They are really just upper level courses - and I don’t think this one is a good use of time.


That's not at all my experience with schools. Do you have any citations or data to back up that claim?


You can research it- I know this to be true.



+2
Anonymous
Post 01/23/2023 16:21     Subject: Florida bans AP African-American Studies course from schools
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I think kids need to learn the basics, and learn them well.

These area studies courses tend to be about affirmation of certain political views rather than scholarship.

That being said, I also believe in the generalized value of free speech and a market place of ideas, so I am not thrilled with DeSantis banning them, either.


AP's are for college-bound students. The whole point of taking them is to get advance college credits. As such, anyone taking this course should have already moved beyond the basics.


That’s not really true. A small percentage of students will use them for college credit.

They are really just upper level courses - and I don’t think this one is a good use of time.


That's not at all my experience with schools. Do you have any citations or data to back up that claim?


You can research it- I know this to be true.
Anonymous
Post 01/23/2023 15:54     Subject: Florida bans AP African-American Studies course from schools
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I think kids need to learn the basics, and learn them well.

These area studies courses tend to be about affirmation of certain political views rather than scholarship.

That being said, I also believe in the generalized value of free speech and a market place of ideas, so I am not thrilled with DeSantis banning them, either.


AP's are for college-bound students. The whole point of taking them is to get advance college credits. As such, anyone taking this course should have already moved beyond the basics.


That’s not really true. A small percentage of students will use them for college credit.

They are really just upper level courses - and I don’t think this one is a good use of time.


That's not at all my experience with schools. Do you have any citations or data to back up that claim?
Anonymous
Post 01/23/2023 15:51     Subject: Florida bans AP African-American Studies course from schools
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I think kids need to learn the basics, and learn them well.

These area studies courses tend to be about affirmation of certain political views rather than scholarship.

That being said, I also believe in the generalized value of free speech and a market place of ideas, so I am not thrilled with DeSantis banning them, either.


AP's are for college-bound students. The whole point of taking them is to get advance college credits. As such, anyone taking this course should have already moved beyond the basics.


That’s not really true. A small percentage of students will use them for college credit.

They are really just upper level courses - and I don’t think this one is a good use of time.

So you shouldn’t take it, but that doesn’t mean that millions of students in Florida should be barred from that opportunity just because their governor likes to try to own the libs.



DP: The Governor is doing his job. Ensuring a quality education for all. Which by the way he also fought hard to open all public schools so all kids could attend (and safely).

Not sure what your schools did, but chances are they could learn from Florida.
Anonymous
Post 01/23/2023 15:46     Subject: Florida bans AP African-American Studies course from schools
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I think kids need to learn the basics, and learn them well.

These area studies courses tend to be about affirmation of certain political views rather than scholarship.

That being said, I also believe in the generalized value of free speech and a market place of ideas, so I am not thrilled with DeSantis banning them, either.


AP's are for college-bound students. The whole point of taking them is to get advance college credits. As such, anyone taking this course should have already moved beyond the basics.


That’s not really true. A small percentage of students will use them for college credit.

They are really just upper level courses - and I don’t think this one is a good use of time.

So you shouldn’t take it, but that doesn’t mean that millions of students in Florida should be barred from that opportunity just because their governor likes to try to own the libs.
Anonymous
Post 01/23/2023 15:10     Subject: Florida bans AP African-American Studies course from schools
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I think kids need to learn the basics, and learn them well.

These area studies courses tend to be about affirmation of certain political views rather than scholarship.

That being said, I also believe in the generalized value of free speech and a market place of ideas, so I am not thrilled with DeSantis banning them, either.


AP's are for college-bound students. The whole point of taking them is to get advance college credits. As such, anyone taking this course should have already moved beyond the basics.


That’s not really true. A small percentage of students will use them for college credit.

They are really just upper level courses - and I don’t think this one is a good use of time.
Anonymous
Post 01/23/2023 15:09     Subject: Florida bans AP African-American Studies course from schools
Anonymous wrote:
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Anonymous wrote:Florida has elaborated on their reasoning. Some of it is problematic and some of it is (seemingly) correct.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/florida-department-of-education-gives-bizarre-reasoning-for-banning-ap-african-american-history


This article was nearly incoherent. The Florida Sec of Education posted on twitter a pretty little graphic which claims to present their issues with the course. Heaven forbid they present their complaints in a competently-argued written document.



It's funny they object to Angela Davis, when she is specifically mentioned as worthy of study in Florida's own African-American History Standards
https://afroamfl.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/AAHTF-Instructional-Standards-July-2021.pdf (p. 111)

The other scholars and writers they mention by name are all well-known college professors, leading scholars in the field, including at least one Guggenheim fellow.

Even this middle-aged white woman can see that this is purposeful racism to raise DeSantis' status with Trump's base.


+1. This isn't a justification that makes sense. In fact, it just makes it clear that the actual objection is to students learning ABOUT forbidden ideas like intersectionality. The response to Angela Davis is simply that she's a Marxist? Is learning about Marxism now forbidden? I'd expect a college level class like this to be able to read Marx himself without interference from the state. It doesn't mean you have to agree or accept them ideas, but you should be able to hear about them.


Without opposing views?

Where in the syllabus does it say there won’t be opposing views?


It doesn’t. So we don’t know either way. Clarify the syllabus.



This.

The syllabus contains a dozen red flags.

Clean it, clarify it. It's quite clear, as long you're in the business of education, not political indoctrination.
Anonymous
Post 01/23/2023 15:06     Subject: Florida bans AP African-American Studies course from schools
Anonymous wrote:I think kids need to learn the basics, and learn them well.

These area studies courses tend to be about affirmation of certain political views rather than scholarship.

That being said, I also believe in the generalized value of free speech and a market place of ideas, so I am not thrilled with DeSantis banning them, either.


AP's are for college-bound students. The whole point of taking them is to get advance college credits. As such, anyone taking this course should have already moved beyond the basics.
Anonymous
Post 01/23/2023 15:03     Subject: Florida bans AP African-American Studies course from schools
I think kids need to learn the basics, and learn them well.

These area studies courses tend to be about affirmation of certain political views rather than scholarship.

That being said, I also believe in the generalized value of free speech and a market place of ideas, so I am not thrilled with DeSantis banning them, either.
Anonymous
Post 01/22/2023 15:30     Subject: Florida bans AP African-American Studies course from schools
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Florida has elaborated on their reasoning. Some of it is problematic and some of it is (seemingly) correct.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/florida-department-of-education-gives-bizarre-reasoning-for-banning-ap-african-american-history


This article was nearly incoherent. The Florida Sec of Education posted on twitter a pretty little graphic which claims to present their issues with the course. Heaven forbid they present their complaints in a competently-argued written document.



It's funny they object to Angela Davis, when she is specifically mentioned as worthy of study in Florida's own African-American History Standards
https://afroamfl.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/AAHTF-Instructional-Standards-July-2021.pdf (p. 111)

The other scholars and writers they mention by name are all well-known college professors, leading scholars in the field, including at least one Guggenheim fellow.

Even this middle-aged white woman can see that this is purposeful racism to raise DeSantis' status with Trump's base.


+1. This isn't a justification that makes sense. In fact, it just makes it clear that the actual objection is to students learning ABOUT forbidden ideas like intersectionality. The response to Angela Davis is simply that she's a Marxist? Is learning about Marxism now forbidden? I'd expect a college level class like this to be able to read Marx himself without interference from the state. It doesn't mean you have to agree or accept them ideas, but you should be able to hear about them.


Without opposing views?

Where in the syllabus does it say there won’t be opposing views?


It doesn’t. So we don’t know either way. Clarify the syllabus.

Or how about stop assuming that a college-level class doesn’t teach different perspectives?
Anonymous
Post 01/22/2023 15:20     Subject: Florida bans AP African-American Studies course from schools
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I always thought the purpose of school work and school courses and earning credit, is really to guide young adults to learn. Most teens won't pick up a Shakespeare play on their own. They can't or won't read Beowulf or Canterbury Tales on their own. What language are we using now to communicate? English language and literature is the standard. Call me old school. I would argue education robs children and young adults of competing on an even playing field when schools across the country aren't following a similar curriculum. That curriculum should be challenging. The books should be difficult for the students to read on their own. That's the point of being in school.


Not following how this ties into the ap African American history course.


Because it's not just history, it's African-American STUDIES

Direct from the course website:

The interdisciplinary course reaches into a variety of fields—literature, the arts and humanities, political science, geography, and science—to explore the vital contributions and experiences of African Americans.

https://apcentral.collegeboard.org/about-ap/how-ap-develops-courses-and-exams/pilot-ap-african-american-studies
Anonymous
Post 01/22/2023 15:02     Subject: Florida bans AP African-American Studies course from schools
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Florida has elaborated on their reasoning. Some of it is problematic and some of it is (seemingly) correct.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/florida-department-of-education-gives-bizarre-reasoning-for-banning-ap-african-american-history


This article was nearly incoherent. The Florida Sec of Education posted on twitter a pretty little graphic which claims to present their issues with the course. Heaven forbid they present their complaints in a competently-argued written document.



It's funny they object to Angela Davis, when she is specifically mentioned as worthy of study in Florida's own African-American History Standards
https://afroamfl.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/AAHTF-Instructional-Standards-July-2021.pdf (p. 111)

The other scholars and writers they mention by name are all well-known college professors, leading scholars in the field, including at least one Guggenheim fellow.

Even this middle-aged white woman can see that this is purposeful racism to raise DeSantis' status with Trump's base.


+1. This isn't a justification that makes sense. In fact, it just makes it clear that the actual objection is to students learning ABOUT forbidden ideas like intersectionality. The response to Angela Davis is simply that she's a Marxist? Is learning about Marxism now forbidden? I'd expect a college level class like this to be able to read Marx himself without interference from the state. It doesn't mean you have to agree or accept them ideas, but you should be able to hear about them.


Without opposing views?

Where in the syllabus does it say there won’t be opposing views?


It doesn’t. So we don’t know either way. Clarify the syllabus.


Or recognize that college level classes are designed to discuss multiple viewpoints critically.

Anonymous
Post 01/22/2023 14:43     Subject: Florida bans AP African-American Studies course from schools
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Florida has elaborated on their reasoning. Some of it is problematic and some of it is (seemingly) correct.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/florida-department-of-education-gives-bizarre-reasoning-for-banning-ap-african-american-history


This article was nearly incoherent. The Florida Sec of Education posted on twitter a pretty little graphic which claims to present their issues with the course. Heaven forbid they present their complaints in a competently-argued written document.



It's funny they object to Angela Davis, when she is specifically mentioned as worthy of study in Florida's own African-American History Standards
https://afroamfl.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/AAHTF-Instructional-Standards-July-2021.pdf (p. 111)

The other scholars and writers they mention by name are all well-known college professors, leading scholars in the field, including at least one Guggenheim fellow.

Even this middle-aged white woman can see that this is purposeful racism to raise DeSantis' status with Trump's base.


+1. This isn't a justification that makes sense. In fact, it just makes it clear that the actual objection is to students learning ABOUT forbidden ideas like intersectionality. The response to Angela Davis is simply that she's a Marxist? Is learning about Marxism now forbidden? I'd expect a college level class like this to be able to read Marx himself without interference from the state. It doesn't mean you have to agree or accept them ideas, but you should be able to hear about them.


Without opposing views?

Where in the syllabus does it say there won’t be opposing views?


It doesn’t. So we don’t know either way. Clarify the syllabus.