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Anonymous wrote:For those who are confused.

The current message is “Eating healthy food and exercising make you healthy and leads to weight loss. If it doesn’t, you’re doing it wrong and need to try harder.”

The better message, and what we’re thankfully moving toward, is “Eating healthy food and exercising are great for your mobility and mental, cardiovascular and metabolic health. Keep doing it, even if it doesn’t lead to weight loss or maintenance. We have other tools that are better for weight loss if that’s what your goal is.”

No one is saying “Eating healthy food and exercising is stupid and pointless since it doesn’t help you lose weight long term. Try Ozempic instead.”

But this is the message people will hear, and want to hear.

Now you're just moving the goalposts. You'll agree no one is saying it, but now people are hearing it anyway.

If they are, then there's nothing we can do about it, so I don't know what your point is.

1. The first (current) message is accurate for many people. They do need to try harder, sorry.

2. The second message is half right, but for many people, weight loss is the main goal of eating healthy and exercising. The second half of the message, that "other tools are better" is what is being debated. I think healthy food and exercise are still far better than drugs if they work for you. The problem is that many people, once they hear there is a miracle drug, will abandon their healthy food and exercise efforts.

Is there "nothing we can do about it?" We can promote the drugs as a last resort when diet and exercise fails. Not as a solution for chubby middle schoolers, I mean really!

If diet and exercise is the best option, why is almost 50% of the country obese?

Because it’s hard to implement at an individual level. People need to be facilitated by their environment. But honestly, most of the people that I know are not obese.

Soooo … we should rely on methods that are proven and well-documented failures at a societal level because your small little world doesn’t include a lot of fat people?

Well, that is one take, I guess.

I’m not saying that. I pointed out that it doesn’t work for many individuals. But there are many people who are able to maintain their weight, so it’s not like a lost cause.

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Anonymous wrote:For those who are confused.

The current message is “Eating healthy food and exercising make you healthy and leads to weight loss. If it doesn’t, you’re doing it wrong and need to try harder.”

The better message, and what we’re thankfully moving toward, is “Eating healthy food and exercising are great for your mobility and mental, cardiovascular and metabolic health. Keep doing it, even if it doesn’t lead to weight loss or maintenance. We have other tools that are better for weight loss if that’s what your goal is.”

No one is saying “Eating healthy food and exercising is stupid and pointless since it doesn’t help you lose weight long term. Try Ozempic instead.”

But this is the message people will hear, and want to hear.

Now you're just moving the goalposts. You'll agree no one is saying it, but now people are hearing it anyway.

If they are, then there's nothing we can do about it, so I don't know what your point is.

1. The first (current) message is accurate for many people. They do need to try harder, sorry.

2. The second message is half right, but for many people, weight loss is the main goal of eating healthy and exercising. The second half of the message, that "other tools are better" is what is being debated. I think healthy food and exercise are still far better than drugs if they work for you. The problem is that many people, once they hear there is a miracle drug, will abandon their healthy food and exercise efforts.

Is there "nothing we can do about it?" We can promote the drugs as a last resort when diet and exercise fails. Not as a solution for chubby middle schoolers, I mean really!

If diet and exercise is the best option, why is almost 50% of the country obese?

Because it’s hard to implement at an individual level. People need to be facilitated by their environment. But honestly, most of the people that I know are not obese.

Soooo … we should rely on methods that are proven and well-documented failures at a societal level because your small little world doesn’t include a lot of fat people?

Well, that is one take, I guess.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t have any problems with people taking a long term drug to get healthy. Plenty of people are on long-term statins, thyroid meds, mental health meds, BP meds, etc. why not these drugs? It’s not a moral failing to have thyroid problems or depression is it? Now that we have these drugs, however, is there any excuse for the obese to not take the drugs and give them a try? What if they’re happy at their size 28 and choose not to take the drug?

Then they don’t have to take it, obviously. Not sure what you’re suggesting.

What about people with mental health disorders that refuse to take their meds? If we agree that obesity is a disease, shouldn’t it be treated?

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Anonymous wrote:For those who are confused.

The current message is “Eating healthy food and exercising make you healthy and leads to weight loss. If it doesn’t, you’re doing it wrong and need to try harder.”

The better message, and what we’re thankfully moving toward, is “Eating healthy food and exercising are great for your mobility and mental, cardiovascular and metabolic health. Keep doing it, even if it doesn’t lead to weight loss or maintenance. We have other tools that are better for weight loss if that’s what your goal is.”

No one is saying “Eating healthy food and exercising is stupid and pointless since it doesn’t help you lose weight long term. Try Ozempic instead.”

But this is the message people will hear, and want to hear.

Now you're just moving the goalposts. You'll agree no one is saying it, but now people are hearing it anyway.

If they are, then there's nothing we can do about it, so I don't know what your point is.

1. The first (current) message is accurate for many people. They do need to try harder, sorry.

2. The second message is half right, but for many people, weight loss is the main goal of eating healthy and exercising. The second half of the message, that "other tools are better" is what is being debated. I think healthy food and exercise are still far better than drugs if they work for you. The problem is that many people, once they hear there is a miracle drug, will abandon their healthy food and exercise efforts.

Is there "nothing we can do about it?" We can promote the drugs as a last resort when diet and exercise fails. Not as a solution for chubby middle schoolers, I mean really!

If diet and exercise is the best option, why is almost 50% of the country obese?

Because it is so much easier NOT to eat heathy and exercise. Our lives are mostly sedentary unless you make a conscious effort to move more. Unhealthy food takes little or no preparation and tastes great (less work, yea!). The default for the majority of people revolves around computers, their phone, a job with little to no movement. Much of intake is processed food, takeout, fast food or convenience type foods and large portions. Shopping for heathy food is a chore. Preparing heathy food is a chore. It is no secret that requires “research”. It is apparent to anyone being honest why there is a huge weight problem in the US and now the world.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t have any problems with people taking a long term drug to get healthy. Plenty of people are on long-term statins, thyroid meds, mental health meds, BP meds, etc. why not these drugs? It’s not a moral failing to have thyroid problems or depression is it? Now that we have these drugs, however, is there any excuse for the obese to not take the drugs and give them a try? What if they’re happy at their size 28 and choose not to take the drug?

Then they don’t have to take it, obviously. Not sure what you’re suggesting.

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Anonymous wrote:For those who are confused.

The current message is “Eating healthy food and exercising make you healthy and leads to weight loss. If it doesn’t, you’re doing it wrong and need to try harder.”

The better message, and what we’re thankfully moving toward, is “Eating healthy food and exercising are great for your mobility and mental, cardiovascular and metabolic health. Keep doing it, even if it doesn’t lead to weight loss or maintenance. We have other tools that are better for weight loss if that’s what your goal is.”

No one is saying “Eating healthy food and exercising is stupid and pointless since it doesn’t help you lose weight long term. Try Ozempic instead.”

But this is the message people will hear, and want to hear.

Now you're just moving the goalposts. You'll agree no one is saying it, but now people are hearing it anyway.

If they are, then there's nothing we can do about it, so I don't know what your point is.

1. The first (current) message is accurate for many people. They do need to try harder, sorry.

2. The second message is half right, but for many people, weight loss is the main goal of eating healthy and exercising. The second half of the message, that "other tools are better" is what is being debated. I think healthy food and exercise are still far better than drugs if they work for you. The problem is that many people, once they hear there is a miracle drug, will abandon their healthy food and exercise efforts.

Is there "nothing we can do about it?" We can promote the drugs as a last resort when diet and exercise fails. Not as a solution for chubby middle schoolers, I mean really!

If diet and exercise is the best option, why is almost 50% of the country obese?

Because it’s hard to implement at an individual level. People need to be facilitated by their environment. But honestly, most of the people that I know are not obese.

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Anonymous wrote:For those who are confused.

The current message is “Eating healthy food and exercising make you healthy and leads to weight loss. If it doesn’t, you’re doing it wrong and need to try harder.”

The better message, and what we’re thankfully moving toward, is “Eating healthy food and exercising are great for your mobility and mental, cardiovascular and metabolic health. Keep doing it, even if it doesn’t lead to weight loss or maintenance. We have other tools that are better for weight loss if that’s what your goal is.”

No one is saying “Eating healthy food and exercising is stupid and pointless since it doesn’t help you lose weight long term. Try Ozempic instead.”

But this is the message people will hear, and want to hear.

Now you're just moving the goalposts. You'll agree no one is saying it, but now people are hearing it anyway.

If they are, then there's nothing we can do about it, so I don't know what your point is.

1. The first (current) message is accurate for many people. They do need to try harder, sorry.

2. The second message is half right, but for many people, weight loss is the main goal of eating healthy and exercising. The second half of the message, that "other tools are better" is what is being debated. I think healthy food and exercise are still far better than drugs if they work for you. The problem is that many people, once they hear there is a miracle drug, will abandon their healthy food and exercise efforts.

Is there "nothing we can do about it?" We can promote the drugs as a last resort when diet and exercise fails. Not as a solution for chubby middle schoolers, I mean really!

The 75% of Americans who are overweight just need to try harder? Do you honestly think that's the solution?

Not all of them, some of them are likely past that point. But YES, some definitely need to try harder!! Take a look at restaurants, costco, what people are buying and eating. For sure, some of them are not trying very hard!

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Anonymous wrote:For those who are confused.

The current message is “Eating healthy food and exercising make you healthy and leads to weight loss. If it doesn’t, you’re doing it wrong and need to try harder.”

The better message, and what we’re thankfully moving toward, is “Eating healthy food and exercising are great for your mobility and mental, cardiovascular and metabolic health. Keep doing it, even if it doesn’t lead to weight loss or maintenance. We have other tools that are better for weight loss if that’s what your goal is.”

No one is saying “Eating healthy food and exercising is stupid and pointless since it doesn’t help you lose weight long term. Try Ozempic instead.”

But this is the message people will hear, and want to hear.

Now you're just moving the goalposts. You'll agree no one is saying it, but now people are hearing it anyway.

If they are, then there's nothing we can do about it, so I don't know what your point is.

1. The first (current) message is accurate for many people. They do need to try harder, sorry.

2. The second message is half right, but for many people, weight loss is the main goal of eating healthy and exercising. The second half of the message, that "other tools are better" is what is being debated. I think healthy food and exercise are still far better than drugs if they work for you. The problem is that many people, once they hear there is a miracle drug, will abandon their healthy food and exercise efforts.

Is there "nothing we can do about it?" We can promote the drugs as a last resort when diet and exercise fails. Not as a solution for chubby middle schoolers, I mean really!

If diet and exercise is the best option, why is almost 50% of the country obese?

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Anonymous wrote:For those who are confused.

The current message is “Eating healthy food and exercising make you healthy and leads to weight loss. If it doesn’t, you’re doing it wrong and need to try harder.”

The better message, and what we’re thankfully moving toward, is “Eating healthy food and exercising are great for your mobility and mental, cardiovascular and metabolic health. Keep doing it, even if it doesn’t lead to weight loss or maintenance. We have other tools that are better for weight loss if that’s what your goal is.”

No one is saying “Eating healthy food and exercising is stupid and pointless since it doesn’t help you lose weight long term. Try Ozempic instead.”

But this is the message people will hear, and want to hear.

Now you're just moving the goalposts. You'll agree no one is saying it, but now people are hearing it anyway.

If they are, then there's nothing we can do about it, so I don't know what your point is.

1. The first (current) message is accurate for many people. They do need to try harder, sorry.

2. The second message is half right, but for many people, weight loss is the main goal of eating healthy and exercising. The second half of the message, that "other tools are better" is what is being debated. I think healthy food and exercise are still far better than drugs if they work for you. The problem is that many people, once they hear there is a miracle drug, will abandon their healthy food and exercise efforts.

Is there "nothing we can do about it?" We can promote the drugs as a last resort when diet and exercise fails. Not as a solution for chubby middle schoolers, I mean really!

If diet and exercise is the best option, why is almost 50% of the country obese?

Because it’s hard to implement at an individual level. People need to be facilitated by their environment. But honestly, most of the people that I know are not obese.

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Anonymous wrote:For those who are confused.

The current message is “Eating healthy food and exercising make you healthy and leads to weight loss. If it doesn’t, you’re doing it wrong and need to try harder.”

The better message, and what we’re thankfully moving toward, is “Eating healthy food and exercising are great for your mobility and mental, cardiovascular and metabolic health. Keep doing it, even if it doesn’t lead to weight loss or maintenance. We have other tools that are better for weight loss if that’s what your goal is.”

No one is saying “Eating healthy food and exercising is stupid and pointless since it doesn’t help you lose weight long term. Try Ozempic instead.”

But this is the message people will hear, and want to hear.

Now you're just moving the goalposts. You'll agree no one is saying it, but now people are hearing it anyway.

If they are, then there's nothing we can do about it, so I don't know what your point is.

1. The first (current) message is accurate for many people. They do need to try harder, sorry.

2. The second message is half right, but for many people, weight loss is the main goal of eating healthy and exercising. The second half of the message, that "other tools are better" is what is being debated. I think healthy food and exercise are still far better than drugs if they work for you. The problem is that many people, once they hear there is a miracle drug, will abandon their healthy food and exercise efforts.

Is there "nothing we can do about it?" We can promote the drugs as a last resort when diet and exercise fails. Not as a solution for chubby middle schoolers, I mean really!

The 75% of Americans who are overweight just need to try harder? Do you honestly think that's the solution?

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Anonymous wrote:For those who are confused.

The current message is “Eating healthy food and exercising make you healthy and leads to weight loss. If it doesn’t, you’re doing it wrong and need to try harder.”

The better message, and what we’re thankfully moving toward, is “Eating healthy food and exercising are great for your mobility and mental, cardiovascular and metabolic health. Keep doing it, even if it doesn’t lead to weight loss or maintenance. We have other tools that are better for weight loss if that’s what your goal is.”

No one is saying “Eating healthy food and exercising is stupid and pointless since it doesn’t help you lose weight long term. Try Ozempic instead.”

But this is the message people will hear, and want to hear.

Now you're just moving the goalposts. You'll agree no one is saying it, but now people are hearing it anyway.

If they are, then there's nothing we can do about it, so I don't know what your point is.

1. The first (current) message is accurate for many people. They do need to try harder, sorry.

2. The second message is half right, but for many people, weight loss is the main goal of eating healthy and exercising. The second half of the message, that "other tools are better" is what is being debated. I think healthy food and exercise are still far better than drugs if they work for you. The problem is that many people, once they hear there is a miracle drug, will abandon their healthy food and exercise efforts.

Is there "nothing we can do about it?" We can promote the drugs as a last resort when diet and exercise fails. Not as a solution for chubby middle schoolers, I mean really!

If diet and exercise is the best option, why is almost 50% of the country obese?

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t have any problems with people taking a long term drug to get healthy. Plenty of people are on long-term statins, thyroid meds, mental health meds, BP meds, etc. why not these drugs? It’s not a moral failing to have thyroid problems or depression is it? Now that we have these drugs, however, is there any excuse for the obese to not take the drugs and give them a try? What if they’re happy at their size 28 and choose not to take the drug?

Then they don’t have to take it, obviously. Not sure what you’re suggesting.

That there are morbidly obese people who like being that way. Smug about their Instagram worthy lifestyle and not seeing that they even need to lose weight much less get on a drug that gets rid of their appetite.

They…don’t need to lose weight if they don’t want to. You’re just mad about people being fat on Instagram now?

It’s the body positivity they’re trying to market. Like they want people to know how beautiful and fun it is to be super morbidly obese. For the vast majority of people, morality does not come into play and these drugs are the only thing that has made a dent in weight loss goals. I celebrate that. But for a number of people, they glorify their fatness. Wouldn’t change a thing.

DP. How is this relevant to people trying to lose weight who want to use Ozempic?

I mean, yes, there are people who won't want to go that route but ... how is that relevant to the discussion we are having?

The body positivity people who wear size 28 and up are celebrating a lifestyle. I agree that the semiglutides are a game changer and takes away the stigma of obese=lazy, weak, insert body shaming language. It is a scientific breakthrough that works and that erases decades of CICO that didn’t work for most people. Now that there are these drugs, is there any reason for the vast majority of people to be obese anymore? I think these drugs put the body positivity people on the defensive. Their influencer income might be affected if people don’t need plus sized clothing anymore. Theirs is the moral failing. No one else. None of the obese people who are taking charge of their health and bodies are a moral failure.

Anonymous wrote:No because the drug makes you feel full BUT plenty of people will continue to eat when they are full. That's how they become obese. These kind of drugs don't overcome impulse.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t have any problems with people taking a long term drug to get healthy. Plenty of people are on long-term statins, thyroid meds, mental health meds, BP meds, etc. why not these drugs? It’s not a moral failing to have thyroid problems or depression is it? Now that we have these drugs, however, is there any excuse for the obese to not take the drugs and give them a try? What if they’re happy at their size 28 and choose not to take the drug?

Then they don’t have to take it, obviously. Not sure what you’re suggesting.

That there are morbidly obese people who like being that way. Smug about their Instagram worthy lifestyle and not seeing that they even need to lose weight much less get on a drug that gets rid of their appetite.

They…don’t need to lose weight if they don’t want to. You’re just mad about people being fat on Instagram now?

It’s the body positivity they’re trying to market. Like they want people to know how beautiful and fun it is to be super morbidly obese. For the vast majority of people, morality does not come into play and these drugs are the only thing that has made a dent in weight loss goals. I celebrate that. But for a number of people, they glorify their fatness. Wouldn’t change a thing.

DP. How is this relevant to people trying to lose weight who want to use Ozempic?

I mean, yes, there are people who won't want to go that route but ... how is that relevant to the discussion we are having?

The body positivity people who wear size 28 and up are celebrating a lifestyle. I agree that the semiglutides are a game changer and takes away the stigma of obese=lazy, weak, insert body shaming language. It is a scientific breakthrough that works and that erases decades of CICO that didn’t work for most people. Now that there are these drugs, is there any reason for the vast majority of people to be obese anymore? I think these drugs put the body positivity people on the defensive. Their influencer income might be affected if people don’t need plus sized clothing anymore. Theirs is the moral failing. No one else. None of the obese people who are taking charge of their health and bodies are a moral failure.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t have any problems with people taking a long term drug to get healthy. Plenty of people are on long-term statins, thyroid meds, mental health meds, BP meds, etc. why not these drugs? It’s not a moral failing to have thyroid problems or depression is it? Now that we have these drugs, however, is there any excuse for the obese to not take the drugs and give them a try? What if they’re happy at their size 28 and choose not to take the drug?

Then they don’t have to take it, obviously. Not sure what you’re suggesting.

That there are morbidly obese people who like being that way. Smug about their Instagram worthy lifestyle and not seeing that they even need to lose weight much less get on a drug that gets rid of their appetite.

They…don’t need to lose weight if they don’t want to. You’re just mad about people being fat on Instagram now?

It’s the body positivity they’re trying to market. Like they want people to know how beautiful and fun it is to be super morbidly obese. For the vast majority of people, morality does not come into play and these drugs are the only thing that has made a dent in weight loss goals. I celebrate that. But for a number of people, they glorify their fatness. Wouldn’t change a thing.

DP. How is this relevant to people trying to lose weight who want to use Ozempic?

I mean, yes, there are people who won't want to go that route but ... how is that relevant to the discussion we are having?