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“Ivy League colleges, and institutions in their tier, are far more selective generally. While they do not maintain quotas for specific high schools, they generally only take a few students from each high school anyway, due to the level of competition for admissions generally.”

https://www.ivyscholars.com/2022/09/27/do-colleges...plicants-from-the-same-school/

I guess I should have specified using a reputable source. It's almost alarming ( with respect to your intelligence) that the quote you cite actually supports what I said earlier - that there are not quotas. I highlighted the relevant portion, in case you could not identify it.

It is possible 10 STA kids applied to Yale were all qualified. But Yale could not accept all 10. Your example is not convincing. BTW, you did not cite evidence that you are “definitely a decent human.” See the flaw in your argument?

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Well, it's just sh%^ty to get a Yale acceptance and then continue to apply to Ivies. It's common knowledge that your greatest competition is other kids from your own high school.
A common max number of Ivy spots given to any one DC school in recent years has often 2 or even 1. Gone are the days (if it's even true) of 11 Yale spots.
I'm sure the kid with the Yale acceptance had MANY friends/classmates who were sitting on zero decent acceptances prior to regular decision. But screw these kids--- they went ahead and tossed
in their highly competitive application regardless of what it would mean for to their classmates.

I get that this didn't break any legal rule but you won't convince me (or most other decent humans) that it wasn't crappy and low.

I am definitely a decent human and do not believe there is anything "unethical" about a kid being accepted to any Ivy REA and then choosing to submit other applications. REA is specifically NOT BINDING, and an 18 year old kid is very entitled to be unsure of what they want or change their mind over the course of their senior year. This idea that there is a max number of spots allocated to any school is false - and even when asked to cite any source for this, you have not. I am the PP that knows for a fact that 11 kids from the Sidwell class of 2015 went to Yale. Yes, this was pre-covid and the admissions landscape has certainly changed, but that does not mean there are school quotas that were just reduced to "2 or even 1." For example, five boys from STA were admitted to Yale in 2022 - is this recent enough for you to acknowledge your quota claims are ridiculous?

It is possible 10 STA kids applied to Yale were all qualified. But Yale could not accept all 10. Your example is not convincing. BTW, you did not cite evidence that you are “definitely a decent human.” See the flaw in your argument?

“Ivy League colleges, and institutions in their tier, are far more selective generally. While they do not maintain quotas for specific high schools, they generally only take a few students from each high school anyway, due to the level of competition for admissions generally.”

https://www.ivyscholars.com/2022/09/27/do-colleges...plicants-from-the-same-school/

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REA will not. A kid last year accepted into Yale REA, and then applied Harvard RD and accepted, thus wasted the Yale spot. If Harvard is your first choice, apply Harvard REA. The Yale REA spot could go to another student at the same school. A highly selective college only takes a limited number of students from the same high school. The student’s strategy is getting into relatively easier Yale first. Playing this kind of game is truly unethical!

Come on. This is just inaccurate. Please site evidence for your claim that "a highly selective college only takes a limited number of students from the same high school." I know for a fact that Yale accepted AT LEAST 11 students from the Sidwell class of 2015. That is, 11 kids enrolled at Yale, perhaps even more were accepted. The idea that there are certain number of slots allocated to any school (including Sidwell) so that one kid is taking a slot that would have gone to another is just ridiculous. That is not how admissions works. Also, the idea that the student had a "strategy" to apply REA to Yale because it is easier to gain admission to than Harvard is absurd. Any kid that is smart enough to get into those schools would understand that there is no meaningful statistical advantage in comparing schools with 3% and 4% acceptance rates.

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Well, it's just sh%^ty to get a Yale acceptance and then continue to apply to Ivies. It's common knowledge that your greatest competition is other kids from your own high school.
A common max number of Ivy spots given to any one DC school in recent years has often 2 or even 1. Gone are the days (if it's even true) of 11 Yale spots.
I'm sure the kid with the Yale acceptance had MANY friends/classmates who were sitting on zero decent acceptances prior to regular decision. But screw these kids--- they went ahead and tossed
in their highly competitive application regardless of what it would mean for to their classmates.

I get that this didn't break any legal rule but you won't convince me (or most other decent humans) that it wasn't crappy and low.

I am definitely a decent human and do not believe there is anything "unethical" about a kid being accepted to any Ivy REA and then choosing to submit other applications. REA is specifically NOT BINDING, and an 18 year old kid is very entitled to be unsure of what they want or change their mind over the course of their senior year. This idea that there is a max number of spots allocated to any school is false - and even when asked to cite any source for this, you have not. I am the PP that knows for a fact that 11 kids from the Sidwell class of 2015 went to Yale. Yes, this was pre-covid and the admissions landscape has certainly changed, but that does not mean there are school quotas that were just reduced to "2 or even 1." For example, five boys from STA were admitted to Yale in 2022 - is this recent enough for you to acknowledge your quota claims are ridiculous?

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Anonymous wrote:How can Sidwell's college admissions with their legacies, URMs and athletes have a worse outcome than a public high school like TJ?

TJ is still a crapshoot, trust me. Every year they have 150+ kids apply to each of Harvard, Stanford, MIT, Princeton, UPenn, Duke, Columbia. Each of those schools will send out at most 15 acceptances, many of which are for the same top kids getting into multiple of these schools. At least Sidwell has more structure and organization among their counseling that doesn’t lead to a free-for-all.

This is a great point and it mirrors my own HS experience. There were a few kids that got all of the awards and collected multiple Ivy acceptances and then a drop off with everyone else going to state schools.

Sidwell is trying to maximize chances for all students, which is very different than having fewer students with more exceptional outcomes.

ED helps with this a bit. Can only ED to one school

REA will not. A kid last year accepted into Yale REA, and then applied Harvard RD and accepted, thus wasted the Yale spot. If Harvard is your first choice, apply Harvard REA. The Yale REA spot could go to another student at the same school. A highly selective college only takes a limited number of students from the same high school. The student’s strategy is getting into relatively easier Yale first. Playing this kind of game is truly unethical!

It could have been a toss up between Yale and Harvard and then by the time RD acceptance came around, they liked Boston better than New Haven. Not unethical at all.

If both Yale and Harvard acceptances are RD, your argument makes sense. But Yale acceptance came out in December before the student applied to Harvard RD.

REA applications are NOT binding and there is NOTHING from any of these schools to indicate they expect you to choose them if they accept you.

Well, it's just sh%^ty to get a Yale acceptance and then continue to apply to Ivies. It's common knowledge that your greatest competition is other kids from your own high school.
A common max number of Ivy spots given to any one DC school in recent years has often 2 or even 1. Gone are the days (if it's even true) of 11 Yale spots.
I'm sure the kid with the Yale acceptance had MANY friends/classmates who were sitting on zero decent acceptances prior to regular decision. But screw these kids--- they went ahead and tossed
in their highly competitive application regardless of what it would mean for to their classmates.

I get that this didn't break any legal rule but you won't convince me (or most other decent humans) that it wasn't crappy and low.

Just curious, do you have kids a SFS?

Well, it's just sh%^ty to get a Yale acceptance and then continue to apply to Ivies. It's common knowledge that your greatest competition is other kids from your own high school.
A common max number of Ivy spots given to any one DC school in recent years has often 2 or even 1. Gone are the days (if it's even true) of 11 Yale spots.
I'm sure the kid with the Yale acceptance had MANY friends/classmates who were sitting on zero decent acceptances prior to regular decision. But screw these kids--- they went ahead and tossed
in their highly competitive application regardless of what it would mean for to their classmates.

I get that this didn't break any legal rule but you won't convince me (or most other decent humans) that it wasn't crappy and low.

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Anonymous wrote:How can Sidwell's college admissions with their legacies, URMs and athletes have a worse outcome than a public high school like TJ?

TJ is still a crapshoot, trust me. Every year they have 150+ kids apply to each of Harvard, Stanford, MIT, Princeton, UPenn, Duke, Columbia. Each of those schools will send out at most 15 acceptances, many of which are for the same top kids getting into multiple of these schools. At least Sidwell has more structure and organization among their counseling that doesn’t lead to a free-for-all.

This is a great point and it mirrors my own HS experience. There were a few kids that got all of the awards and collected multiple Ivy acceptances and then a drop off with everyone else going to state schools.

Sidwell is trying to maximize chances for all students, which is very different than having fewer students with more exceptional outcomes.

ED helps with this a bit. Can only ED to one school

REA will not. A kid last year accepted into Yale REA, and then applied Harvard RD and accepted, thus wasted the Yale spot. If Harvard is your first choice, apply Harvard REA. The Yale REA spot could go to another student at the same school. A highly selective college only takes a limited number of students from the same high school. The student’s strategy is getting into relatively easier Yale first. Playing this kind of game is truly unethical!

It could have been a toss up between Yale and Harvard and then by the time RD acceptance came around, they liked Boston better than New Haven. Not unethical at all.

If both Yale and Harvard acceptances are RD, your argument makes sense. But Yale acceptance came out in December before the student applied to Harvard RD.

REA applications are NOT binding and there is NOTHING from any of these schools to indicate they expect you to choose them if they accept you.

Well, it's just sh%^ty to get a Yale acceptance and then continue to apply to Ivies. It's common knowledge that your greatest competition is other kids from your own high school.
A common max number of Ivy spots given to any one DC school in recent years has often 2 or even 1. Gone are the days (if it's even true) of 11 Yale spots.
I'm sure the kid with the Yale acceptance had MANY friends/classmates who were sitting on zero decent acceptances prior to regular decision. But screw these kids--- they went ahead and tossed
in their highly competitive application regardless of what it would mean for to their classmates.

I get that this didn't break any legal rule but you won't convince me (or most other decent humans) that it wasn't crappy and low.

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Anonymous wrote:How can Sidwell's college admissions with their legacies, URMs and athletes have a worse outcome than a public high school like TJ?

TJ is still a crapshoot, trust me. Every year they have 150+ kids apply to each of Harvard, Stanford, MIT, Princeton, UPenn, Duke, Columbia. Each of those schools will send out at most 15 acceptances, many of which are for the same top kids getting into multiple of these schools. At least Sidwell has more structure and organization among their counseling that doesn’t lead to a free-for-all.

This is a great point and it mirrors my own HS experience. There were a few kids that got all of the awards and collected multiple Ivy acceptances and then a drop off with everyone else going to state schools.

Sidwell is trying to maximize chances for all students, which is very different than having fewer students with more exceptional outcomes.

ED helps with this a bit. Can only ED to one school

REA will not. A kid last year accepted into Yale REA, and then applied Harvard RD and accepted, thus wasted the Yale spot. If Harvard is your first choice, apply Harvard REA. The Yale REA spot could go to another student at the same school. A highly selective college only takes a limited number of students from the same high school. The student’s strategy is getting into relatively easier Yale first. Playing this kind of game is truly unethical!

How is that unethical? The student is good and has the right to apply wherever they want within the rules. Maybe they didn’t expect to get into Harvard and felt they had a better chance at Yale so they used REA for Yale. Then went out on a limb and applied to Harvard RD and got in.

This student did not care about fellow students at her school. The above posts talk about Sidwell is trying to maximize chances for all students.

This school is full of type A parents gunning for Ivy League schools.

Nothing wrong with parents wanting to get their kids into ivies. But if you get into one of HYPS REA, gunning for another HYPS is not ethical.

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Anonymous wrote:How can Sidwell's college admissions with their legacies, URMs and athletes have a worse outcome than a public high school like TJ?

TJ is still a crapshoot, trust me. Every year they have 150+ kids apply to each of Harvard, Stanford, MIT, Princeton, UPenn, Duke, Columbia. Each of those schools will send out at most 15 acceptances, many of which are for the same top kids getting into multiple of these schools. At least Sidwell has more structure and organization among their counseling that doesn’t lead to a free-for-all.

This is a great point and it mirrors my own HS experience. There were a few kids that got all of the awards and collected multiple Ivy acceptances and then a drop off with everyone else going to state schools.

Sidwell is trying to maximize chances for all students, which is very different than having fewer students with more exceptional outcomes.

ED helps with this a bit. Can only ED to one school

REA will not. A kid last year accepted into Yale REA, and then applied Harvard RD and accepted, thus wasted the Yale spot. If Harvard is your first choice, apply Harvard REA. The Yale REA spot could go to another student at the same school. A highly selective college only takes a limited number of students from the same high school. The student’s strategy is getting into relatively easier Yale first. Playing this kind of game is truly unethical!

It could have been a toss up between Yale and Harvard and then by the time RD acceptance came around, they liked Boston better than New Haven. Not unethical at all.

If both Yale and Harvard acceptances are RD, your argument makes sense. But Yale acceptance came out in December before the student applied to Harvard RD.

REA applications are NOT binding and there is NOTHING from any of these schools to indicate they expect you to choose them if they accept you.

Well, it's just sh%^ty to get a Yale acceptance and then continue to apply to Ivies. It's common knowledge that your greatest competition is other kids from your own high school.
A common max number of Ivy spots given to any one DC school in recent years has often 2 or even 1. Gone are the days (if it's even true) of 11 Yale spots.
I'm sure the kid with the Yale acceptance had MANY friends/classmates who were sitting on zero decent acceptances prior to regular decision. But screw these kids--- they went ahead and tossed
in their highly competitive application regardless of what it would mean for to their classmates.

I get that this didn't break any legal rule but you won't convince me (or most other decent humans) that it wasn't crappy and low.

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Anonymous wrote:How can Sidwell's college admissions with their legacies, URMs and athletes have a worse outcome than a public high school like TJ?

TJ is still a crapshoot, trust me. Every year they have 150+ kids apply to each of Harvard, Stanford, MIT, Princeton, UPenn, Duke, Columbia. Each of those schools will send out at most 15 acceptances, many of which are for the same top kids getting into multiple of these schools. At least Sidwell has more structure and organization among their counseling that doesn’t lead to a free-for-all.

This is a great point and it mirrors my own HS experience. There were a few kids that got all of the awards and collected multiple Ivy acceptances and then a drop off with everyone else going to state schools.

Sidwell is trying to maximize chances for all students, which is very different than having fewer students with more exceptional outcomes.

ED helps with this a bit. Can only ED to one school

REA will not. A kid last year accepted into Yale REA, and then applied Harvard RD and accepted, thus wasted the Yale spot. If Harvard is your first choice, apply Harvard REA. The Yale REA spot could go to another student at the same school. A highly selective college only takes a limited number of students from the same high school. The student’s strategy is getting into relatively easier Yale first. Playing this kind of game is truly unethical!

It could have been a toss up between Yale and Harvard and then by the time RD acceptance came around, they liked Boston better than New Haven. Not unethical at all.

If both Yale and Harvard acceptances are RD, your argument makes sense. But Yale acceptance came out in December before the student applied to Harvard RD.

REA applications are NOT binding and there is NOTHING from any of these schools to indicate they expect you to choose them if they accept you.

Well, it's just sh%^ty to get a Yale acceptance and then continue to apply to Ivies. It's common knowledge that your greatest competition is other kids from your own high school.
A common max number of Ivy spots given to any one DC school in recent years has often 2 or even 1. Gone are the days (if it's even true) of 11 Yale spots.
I'm sure the kid with the Yale acceptance had MANY friends/classmates who were sitting on zero decent acceptances prior to regular decision. But screw these kids--- they went ahead and tossed
in their highly competitive application regardless of what it would mean for to their classmates.

I get that this didn't break any legal rule but you won't convince me (or most other decent humans) that it wasn't crappy and low.

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Anonymous wrote:How can Sidwell's college admissions with their legacies, URMs and athletes have a worse outcome than a public high school like TJ?

TJ is still a crapshoot, trust me. Every year they have 150+ kids apply to each of Harvard, Stanford, MIT, Princeton, UPenn, Duke, Columbia. Each of those schools will send out at most 15 acceptances, many of which are for the same top kids getting into multiple of these schools. At least Sidwell has more structure and organization among their counseling that doesn’t lead to a free-for-all.

This is a great point and it mirrors my own HS experience. There were a few kids that got all of the awards and collected multiple Ivy acceptances and then a drop off with everyone else going to state schools.

Sidwell is trying to maximize chances for all students, which is very different than having fewer students with more exceptional outcomes.

ED helps with this a bit. Can only ED to one school

REA will not. A kid last year accepted into Yale REA, and then applied Harvard RD and accepted, thus wasted the Yale spot. If Harvard is your first choice, apply Harvard REA. The Yale REA spot could go to another student at the same school. A highly selective college only takes a limited number of students from the same high school. The student’s strategy is getting into relatively easier Yale first. Playing this kind of game is truly unethical!

It could have been a toss up between Yale and Harvard and then by the time RD acceptance came around, they liked Boston better than New Haven. Not unethical at all.

If both Yale and Harvard acceptances are RD, your argument makes sense. But Yale acceptance came out in December before the student applied to Harvard RD.

REA applications are NOT binding and there is NOTHING from any of these schools to indicate they expect you to choose them if they accept you.

Well, it's just sh%^ty to get a Yale acceptance and then continue to apply to Ivies. It's common knowledge that your greatest competition is other kids from your own high school.
A common max number of Ivy spots given to any one DC school in recent years has often 2 or even 1. Gone are the days (if it's even true) of 11 Yale spots.
I'm sure the kid with the Yale acceptance had MANY friends/classmates who were sitting on zero decent acceptances prior to regular decision. But screw these kids--- they went ahead and tossed
in their highly competitive application regardless of what it would mean for to their classmates.

I get that this didn't break any legal rule but you won't convince me (or most other decent humans) that it wasn't crappy and low.

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Anonymous wrote:How can Sidwell's college admissions with their legacies, URMs and athletes have a worse outcome than a public high school like TJ?

TJ is still a crapshoot, trust me. Every year they have 150+ kids apply to each of Harvard, Stanford, MIT, Princeton, UPenn, Duke, Columbia. Each of those schools will send out at most 15 acceptances, many of which are for the same top kids getting into multiple of these schools. At least Sidwell has more structure and organization among their counseling that doesn’t lead to a free-for-all.

This is a great point and it mirrors my own HS experience. There were a few kids that got all of the awards and collected multiple Ivy acceptances and then a drop off with everyone else going to state schools.

Sidwell is trying to maximize chances for all students, which is very different than having fewer students with more exceptional outcomes.

ED helps with this a bit. Can only ED to one school

REA will not. A kid last year accepted into Yale REA, and then applied Harvard RD and accepted, thus wasted the Yale spot. If Harvard is your first choice, apply Harvard REA. The Yale REA spot could go to another student at the same school. A highly selective college only takes a limited number of students from the same high school. The student’s strategy is getting into relatively easier Yale first. Playing this kind of game is truly unethical!

It could have been a toss up between Yale and Harvard and then by the time RD acceptance came around, they liked Boston better than New Haven. Not unethical at all.

If both Yale and Harvard acceptances are RD, your argument makes sense. But Yale acceptance came out in December before the student applied to Harvard RD.

REA applications are NOT binding and there is NOTHING from any of these schools to indicate they expect you to choose them if they accept you.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How can Sidwell's college admissions with their legacies, URMs and athletes have a worse outcome than a public high school like TJ?

TJ is still a crapshoot, trust me. Every year they have 150+ kids apply to each of Harvard, Stanford, MIT, Princeton, UPenn, Duke, Columbia. Each of those schools will send out at most 15 acceptances, many of which are for the same top kids getting into multiple of these schools. At least Sidwell has more structure and organization among their counseling that doesn’t lead to a free-for-all.

This is a great point and it mirrors my own HS experience. There were a few kids that got all of the awards and collected multiple Ivy acceptances and then a drop off with everyone else going to state schools.

Sidwell is trying to maximize chances for all students, which is very different than having fewer students with more exceptional outcomes.

ED helps with this a bit. Can only ED to one school

REA will not. A kid last year accepted into Yale REA, and then applied Harvard RD and accepted, thus wasted the Yale spot. If Harvard is your first choice, apply Harvard REA. The Yale REA spot could go to another student at the same school. A highly selective college only takes a limited number of students from the same high school. The student’s strategy is getting into relatively easier Yale first. Playing this kind of game is truly unethical!

It could have been a toss up between Yale and Harvard and then by the time RD acceptance came around, they liked Boston better than New Haven. Not unethical at all.

If both Yale and Harvard acceptances are RD, your argument makes sense. But Yale acceptance came out in December before the student applied to Harvard RD.