Anonymous
09/13/2022 11:01
Subject: Official US news 2023 thread
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Notre Dame at 18, tied with Columbia and only one behind Cornell.
Notre Dame is Ivy level.
Almost, but not quite!
Notre Dame would never want to join the Ivy League anyway! It is happy to be ranked right there and fully independent to print football $$!
The Ivy League isn't all it is cracked up to be. Georgetown wouldn't even give up its basketball TV $$ to join.
Remember that the ancient 8 really is just an old but now low-level athletic conference!
This! A top school that has so much more to offer than the stuffy ivies. Love it.
Georgetown has crumbling buildings and mold to offer students. I don't get why anyone would pay private school tuition to go there.
You post this on every single thread. I'm sorry you were denied. It's probably time to move on.
It is impressive to me that Georgetown continues to attract such impressive students and rank as highly as they do with their financial limitations. If they can continue to invest well and generate high-end donations, they have a lot of upside.
Gtown is tied with Emory this year but has an endowment smaller than many of the elite liberal arts colleges (Williams, Amherst, Swarthmore, Pomona, Wellesley, and Bowdoin).
Peers like Emory, WashU, Vandy, Rice, USC, Notre Dame, and NYU all have endowments of over $5.5 billion compared under $2.6 billion for GTown. $$ is a real issue for Georgetown.
Idk if Georgetown is an academic peer of Rice and Vandy. Their admission statistics must be very different.
Georgetown does not use the common application, so the applicant pool is self selecting. As such, many hypothesize that their actual rate of admission would be much lower if they did.
You have posted this in numerous forums over the last two weeks, yet never provide a cite. It's simply not a true statement, although you want it to be
It's in many books and publications--read the history of how Northeastern marketed itself to drive up it's rating. People only wanted Northwestern prior. Read about the universities cited for lying to bolster the ratings in USNWR. Read how the ratings are actually tabulated.
The Common Application and test optional greatly increase the number of student applicants in order to turn more away and increase selectivity. Now, you could argue that a school with smaller classes and a higher quality undergraduate population is a better university, but you could also argue that the difference between 19 students and 21 students in a class is negligible. You could argue that the difference between a class with an average SAT score of a 2100 instead of a 2050 is also negligible. And yet, it’s these small difference that make all the difference in rankings.
During their first years on the Common Application, Brown saw a 21 percent increase in applications, while Columbia saw a 32 percent increase. I have no doubt Georgetown could see a similar effect and therefore yield a more academically accomplished and diverse freshman class.
In fact, one of the biggest issues in college admissions right now is the fact that many qualified students from lower income backgrounds simply aren’t applying to selective schools. A switch to the Common Application would make Georgetown more accessible to qualified students who may not have much college guidance information.
The prevailing perception is that the Common Application represents a rat race for status among top colleges.
Anonymous
09/13/2022 11:00
Subject: Official US news 2023 thread
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Notre Dame at 18, tied with Columbia and only one behind Cornell.
Notre Dame is Ivy level.
Almost, but not quite!
Notre Dame would never want to join the Ivy League anyway! It is happy to be ranked right there and fully independent to print football $$!
The Ivy League isn't all it is cracked up to be. Georgetown wouldn't even give up its basketball TV $$ to join.
Remember that the ancient 8 really is just an old but now low-level athletic conference!
This! A top school that has so much more to offer than the stuffy ivies. Love it.
Georgetown has crumbling buildings and mold to offer students. I don't get why anyone would pay private school tuition to go there.
You post this on every single thread. I'm sorry you were denied. It's probably time to move on.
It is impressive to me that Georgetown continues to attract such impressive students and rank as highly as they do with their financial limitations. If they can continue to invest well and generate high-end donations, they have a lot of upside.
Gtown is tied with Emory this year but has an endowment smaller than many of the elite liberal arts colleges (Williams, Amherst, Swarthmore, Pomona, Wellesley, and Bowdoin).
Peers like Emory, WashU, Vandy, Rice, USC, Notre Dame, and NYU all have endowments of over $5.5 billion compared under $2.6 billion for GTown. $$ is a real issue for Georgetown.
Idk if Georgetown is an academic peer of Rice and Vandy. Their admission statistics must be very different.
Georgetown does not use the common application, so the applicant pool is self selecting. As such, many hypothesize that their actual rate of admission would be much lower if they did.
You have posted this in numerous forums over the last two weeks, yet never provide a cite. It's simply not a true statement, although you want it to be
Dp, but I agree. My kid wasn’t willing to jump through the Georgetown admission hoops, but would have applied if they accepted the common app. It’s pretty stupid decision on Georgetown’s part than turns off a number of qualified applicants.
If you can't be bothered with the 'admission hoops', then Georgetown doesn't want you.
A lot of top students are fine with that, but it isn’t in the university’s interests to have an increasing smaller applicant pool.
They don't need USNWR to validate them.
Anonymous
09/13/2022 10:59
Subject: Official US news 2023 thread
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Notre Dame at 18, tied with Columbia and only one behind Cornell.
Notre Dame is Ivy level.
Almost, but not quite!
Notre Dame would never want to join the Ivy League anyway! It is happy to be ranked right there and fully independent to print football $$!
The Ivy League isn't all it is cracked up to be. Georgetown wouldn't even give up its basketball TV $$ to join.
Remember that the ancient 8 really is just an old but now low-level athletic conference!
This! A top school that has so much more to offer than the stuffy ivies. Love it.
Georgetown has crumbling buildings and mold to offer students. I don't get why anyone would pay private school tuition to go there.
You post this on every single thread. I'm sorry you were denied. It's probably time to move on.
It is impressive to me that Georgetown continues to attract such impressive students and rank as highly as they do with their financial limitations. If they can continue to invest well and generate high-end donations, they have a lot of upside.
Gtown is tied with Emory this year but has an endowment smaller than many of the elite liberal arts colleges (Williams, Amherst, Swarthmore, Pomona, Wellesley, and Bowdoin).
Peers like Emory, WashU, Vandy, Rice, USC, Notre Dame, and NYU all have endowments of over $5.5 billion compared under $2.6 billion for GTown. $$ is a real issue for Georgetown.
Idk if Georgetown is an academic peer of Rice and Vandy. Their admission statistics must be very different.
Georgetown does not use the common application, so the applicant pool is self selecting. As such, many hypothesize that their actual rate of admission would be much lower if they did.
You have posted this in numerous forums over the last two weeks, yet never provide a cite. It's simply not a true statement, although you want it to be
It's in many books and publications--read the history of how Northeastern marketed itself to drive up it's rating. People only wanted Northwestern prior. Read about the universities cited for lying to bolster the ratings in USNWR. Read how the ratings are actually tabulated.
The Common Application and test optional greatly increase the number of student applicants in order to turn more away and increase selectivity. Now, you could argue that a school with smaller classes and a higher quality undergraduate population is a better university, but you could also argue that the difference between 19 students and 21 students in a class is negligible. You could argue that the difference between a class with an average SAT score of a 2100 instead of a 2050 is also negligible. And yet, it’s these small difference that make all the difference in rankings.
Anonymous
09/13/2022 10:57
Subject: Official US news 2023 thread
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Notre Dame at 18, tied with Columbia and only one behind Cornell.
Notre Dame is Ivy level.
Almost, but not quite!
Notre Dame would never want to join the Ivy League anyway! It is happy to be ranked right there and fully independent to print football $$!
The Ivy League isn't all it is cracked up to be. Georgetown wouldn't even give up its basketball TV $$ to join.
Remember that the ancient 8 really is just an old but now low-level athletic conference!
This! A top school that has so much more to offer than the stuffy ivies. Love it.
Georgetown has crumbling buildings and mold to offer students. I don't get why anyone would pay private school tuition to go there.
You post this on every single thread. I'm sorry you were denied. It's probably time to move on.
It is impressive to me that Georgetown continues to attract such impressive students and rank as highly as they do with their financial limitations. If they can continue to invest well and generate high-end donations, they have a lot of upside.
Gtown is tied with Emory this year but has an endowment smaller than many of the elite liberal arts colleges (Williams, Amherst, Swarthmore, Pomona, Wellesley, and Bowdoin).
Peers like Emory, WashU, Vandy, Rice, USC, Notre Dame, and NYU all have endowments of over $5.5 billion compared under $2.6 billion for GTown. $$ is a real issue for Georgetown.
Idk if Georgetown is an academic peer of Rice and Vandy. Their admission statistics must be very different.
Georgetown does not use the common application, so the applicant pool is self selecting. As such, many hypothesize that their actual rate of admission would be much lower if they did.
You have posted this in numerous forums over the last two weeks, yet never provide a cite. It's simply not a true statement, although you want it to be
Dp, but I agree. My kid wasn’t willing to jump through the Georgetown admission hoops, but would have applied if they accepted the common app. It’s pretty stupid decision on Georgetown’s part than turns off a number of qualified applicants.
If you can't be bothered with the 'admission hoops', then Georgetown doesn't want you.
A lot of top students are fine with that, but it isn’t in the university’s interests to have an increasing smaller applicant pool.
Anonymous
09/13/2022 10:52
Subject: Official US news 2023 thread
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Ha I went to UVA and thrilled they are 25. But in no way are they better than Michigan. Period. End.
I would choose UVA over UMich for undergraduate studies if cost is about same (no matter what major). UMich student body is just too big even from public school's point of view. But I would pick UMich over UVA for graduate studies, especially for engineering.
I would do the exact opposite.
Clarifying. I would pick Michigan over UVA for an undergraduate degree, no matter what major it costs were similar. For graduate school I would still pick Michigan. The undergraduate student body size really isn’t much of a concern to me since neither school is a LAC or small university.
Mich has an undergrad student population of 32,000 and Uva has 17,000 for Fall 2021, with Mich almost twice as many as Uva. Same problem with UC Berkeley. Very difficult to get a popular class and some class' size is humongous, sometimes in thousands. Not a good experience for undergrads. Definitely I would pick Uva if I have the option.
Do you actually think they don't hire more teachers to handle additional load? EVERY school has the problem of high student-teacher ratio for beginner level classes including UVA and some LACs.
Anonymous
09/13/2022 10:45
Subject: Official US news 2023 thread
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Notre Dame at 18, tied with Columbia and only one behind Cornell.
Notre Dame is Ivy level.
Almost, but not quite!
Notre Dame would never want to join the Ivy League anyway! It is happy to be ranked right there and fully independent to print football $$!
The Ivy League isn't all it is cracked up to be. Georgetown wouldn't even give up its basketball TV $$ to join.
Remember that the ancient 8 really is just an old but now low-level athletic conference!
This! A top school that has so much more to offer than the stuffy ivies. Love it.
Georgetown has crumbling buildings and mold to offer students. I don't get why anyone would pay private school tuition to go there.
You post this on every single thread. I'm sorry you were denied. It's probably time to move on.
It is impressive to me that Georgetown continues to attract such impressive students and rank as highly as they do with their financial limitations. If they can continue to invest well and generate high-end donations, they have a lot of upside.
Gtown is tied with Emory this year but has an endowment smaller than many of the elite liberal arts colleges (Williams, Amherst, Swarthmore, Pomona, Wellesley, and Bowdoin).
Peers like Emory, WashU, Vandy, Rice, USC, Notre Dame, and NYU all have endowments of over $5.5 billion compared under $2.6 billion for GTown. $$ is a real issue for Georgetown.
Idk if Georgetown is an academic peer of Rice and Vandy. Their admission statistics must be very different.
Georgetown does not use the common application, so the applicant pool is self selecting. As such, many hypothesize that their actual rate of admission would be much lower if they did.
You have posted this in numerous forums over the last two weeks, yet never provide a cite. It's simply not a true statement, although you want it to be
Dp, but I agree. My kid wasn’t willing to jump through the Georgetown admission hoops, but would have applied if they accepted the common app. It’s pretty stupid decision on Georgetown’s part than turns off a number of qualified applicants.
If you can't be bothered with the 'admission hoops', then Georgetown doesn't want you.
Anonymous
09/13/2022 10:21
Subject: Official US news 2023 thread
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Notre Dame at 18, tied with Columbia and only one behind Cornell.
Notre Dame is Ivy level.
Almost, but not quite!
Notre Dame would never want to join the Ivy League anyway! It is happy to be ranked right there and fully independent to print football $$!
The Ivy League isn't all it is cracked up to be. Georgetown wouldn't even give up its basketball TV $$ to join.
Remember that the ancient 8 really is just an old but now low-level athletic conference!
This! A top school that has so much more to offer than the stuffy ivies. Love it.
Georgetown has crumbling buildings and mold to offer students. I don't get why anyone would pay private school tuition to go there.
You post this on every single thread. I'm sorry you were denied. It's probably time to move on.
It is impressive to me that Georgetown continues to attract such impressive students and rank as highly as they do with their financial limitations. If they can continue to invest well and generate high-end donations, they have a lot of upside.
Gtown is tied with Emory this year but has an endowment smaller than many of the elite liberal arts colleges (Williams, Amherst, Swarthmore, Pomona, Wellesley, and Bowdoin).
Peers like Emory, WashU, Vandy, Rice, USC, Notre Dame, and NYU all have endowments of over $5.5 billion compared under $2.6 billion for GTown. $$ is a real issue for Georgetown.
Idk if Georgetown is an academic peer of Rice and Vandy. Their admission statistics must be very different.
Georgetown does not use the common application, so the applicant pool is self selecting. As such, many hypothesize that their actual rate of admission would be much lower if they did.
You have posted this in numerous forums over the last two weeks, yet never provide a cite. It's simply not a true statement, although you want it to be
Dp, but I agree. My kid wasn’t willing to jump through the Georgetown admission hoops, but would have applied if they accepted the common app. It’s pretty stupid decision on Georgetown’s part than turns off a number of qualified applicants.
It's their way of ensuring that the students who apply have a serious interest in attending, and it probably helps their yield (even though USN doesn't measure for that anymore).
Anonymous
09/13/2022 10:12
Subject: Re:Official US news 2023 thread
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Clemson is a solid public university at #77 but their own description of their founder is cringeworthy: https://www.clemson.edu/about/history/bios/thomas-g-clemson.html
How has the school kept the name?
You might want to look into Nicholas Brown and Elihu Yale.
Or Leland Stanford
There are numerous universities that owned slaves directly. Should they change their names?
No, it was a direct response to the moron squawking about Clemson. Stanford wasn't a slave issue, he just murdered Native Americans and stole their land.
Anonymous
09/13/2022 10:03
Subject: Re:Official US news 2023 thread
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Clemson is a solid public university at #77 but their own description of their founder is cringeworthy: https://www.clemson.edu/about/history/bios/thomas-g-clemson.html
How has the school kept the name?
You might want to look into Nicholas Brown and Elihu Yale.
Or Leland Stanford
There are numerous universities that owned slaves directly. Should they change their names?
Anonymous
09/13/2022 09:49
Subject: Re:Official US news 2023 thread
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Clemson is a solid public university at #77 but their own description of their founder is cringeworthy: https://www.clemson.edu/about/history/bios/thomas-g-clemson.html
How has the school kept the name?
You might want to look into Nicholas Brown and Elihu Yale.
Or Leland Stanford
Anonymous
09/13/2022 09:44
Subject: Official US news 2023 thread
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Notre Dame at 18, tied with Columbia and only one behind Cornell.
Notre Dame is Ivy level.
Almost, but not quite!
Notre Dame would never want to join the Ivy League anyway! It is happy to be ranked right there and fully independent to print football $$!
The Ivy League isn't all it is cracked up to be. Georgetown wouldn't even give up its basketball TV $$ to join.
Remember that the ancient 8 really is just an old but now low-level athletic conference!
This! A top school that has so much more to offer than the stuffy ivies. Love it.
Georgetown has crumbling buildings and mold to offer students. I don't get why anyone would pay private school tuition to go there.
You post this on every single thread. I'm sorry you were denied. It's probably time to move on.
It is impressive to me that Georgetown continues to attract such impressive students and rank as highly as they do with their financial limitations. If they can continue to invest well and generate high-end donations, they have a lot of upside.
Gtown is tied with Emory this year but has an endowment smaller than many of the elite liberal arts colleges (Williams, Amherst, Swarthmore, Pomona, Wellesley, and Bowdoin).
Peers like Emory, WashU, Vandy, Rice, USC, Notre Dame, and NYU all have endowments of over $5.5 billion compared under $2.6 billion for GTown. $$ is a real issue for Georgetown.
Idk if Georgetown is an academic peer of Rice and Vandy. Their admission statistics must be very different.
Georgetown does not use the common application, so the applicant pool is self selecting. As such, many hypothesize that their actual rate of admission would be much lower if they did.
You have posted this in numerous forums over the last two weeks, yet never provide a cite. It's simply not a true statement, although you want it to be
Dp, but I agree. My kid wasn’t willing to jump through the Georgetown admission hoops, but would have applied if they accepted the common app. It’s pretty stupid decision on Georgetown’s part than turns off a number of qualified applicants.
Anonymous
09/13/2022 09:22
Subject: Official US news 2023 thread
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Ha I went to UVA and thrilled they are 25. But in no way are they better than Michigan. Period. End.
I would choose UVA over UMich for undergraduate studies if cost is about same (no matter what major). UMich student body is just too big even from public school's point of view. But I would pick UMich over UVA for graduate studies, especially for engineering.
I picked UVA law over Michigan and I was happy with my decision.
That makes sense since UVA Law hovers between being no 6 and 8 in the rankings for law school but Michigan is 10
Anonymous
09/13/2022 09:21
Subject: Official US news 2023 thread
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Notre Dame at 18, tied with Columbia and only one behind Cornell.
Notre Dame is Ivy level.
Almost, but not quite!
Notre Dame would never want to join the Ivy League anyway! It is happy to be ranked right there and fully independent to print football $$!
The Ivy League isn't all it is cracked up to be. Georgetown wouldn't even give up its basketball TV $$ to join.
Remember that the ancient 8 really is just an old but now low-level athletic conference!
This! A top school that has so much more to offer than the stuffy ivies. Love it.
Georgetown has crumbling buildings and mold to offer students. I don't get why anyone would pay private school tuition to go there.
You post this on every single thread. I'm sorry you were denied. It's probably time to move on.
It is impressive to me that Georgetown continues to attract such impressive students and rank as highly as they do with their financial limitations. If they can continue to invest well and generate high-end donations, they have a lot of upside.
Gtown is tied with Emory this year but has an endowment smaller than many of the elite liberal arts colleges (Williams, Amherst, Swarthmore, Pomona, Wellesley, and Bowdoin).
Peers like Emory, WashU, Vandy, Rice, USC, Notre Dame, and NYU all have endowments of over $5.5 billion compared under $2.6 billion for GTown. $$ is a real issue for Georgetown.
Idk if Georgetown is an academic peer of Rice and Vandy. Their admission statistics must be very different.
Georgetown does not use the common application, so the applicant pool is self selecting. As such, many hypothesize that their actual rate of admission would be much lower if they did.
You have posted this in numerous forums over the last two weeks, yet never provide a cite. It's simply not a true statement, although you want it to be
Anonymous
09/13/2022 09:20
Subject: Official US news 2023 thread
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Ha I went to UVA and thrilled they are 25. But in no way are they better than Michigan. Period. End.
I would choose UVA over UMich for undergraduate studies if cost is about same (no matter what major). UMich student body is just too big even from public school's point of view. But I would pick UMich over UVA for graduate studies, especially for engineering.
I would do the exact opposite.
Assuming you are instate for Virginia, that would be foolish. Bank the difference and use it for grad school.
Anonymous
09/13/2022 08:52
Subject: Official US news 2023 thread
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:If you people only knew how the sausage is made.
If you only knew.
It’s hilarious to see DCUM suckling at this teat, year after year. US News rankings are worthless. I know from 20 years of insider experience.
You people?
Yes, you people who use this and other commercial measures instead of, you know, visiting a place and talking to graduates and who use rankings as a stick to beat down your children’s preferences and try to knock down other parents and students down pegs instead of being happy for them where they look and where they end up. You. People.
Are you stupid or something? There are 2000+ 4 year colleges, I don't have time and money to visit all of them and talk to graduates.
So I use this references for initial screening and list , then I try to visit the one in the short list.
These are very helpful for that purpose.