Anonymous
Post 09/11/2022 18:38     Subject: What is the End Game in Ukraine?
Feels like the Russian generals might be in revolt against Moscow. Russian forces are just melting away, leaving the border crossing to Ukraine. That is wild.
Anonymous
Post 09/11/2022 18:37     Subject: Re:What is the End Game in Ukraine?
Ukrainian forces seized the border crossings into Russia in Kharkiv unimpeded

https://www.ukrinform.net/rubric-ato/3569308-border-guards-ukraine-troops-reach-border-with-russia-in-kharkiv-regions-north.html
Anonymous
Post 09/11/2022 17:16     Subject: Re:What is the End Game in Ukraine?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Why can't you Trumpers be happy that Ukraine is winning? That the Soviet Union won't be revived? That this might bring about the end of Putin's regime? That NATO and our western alliances will be stronger because of this? That the U.S. hasn't embroiled itself directly in another foreign entanglement? Trump wanted Europe to start contributing its fair share of the NATO budget. Well, this war seems to have done the trick. It shouldn't matter that it happened under Biden. You should be happy to see an adversary - one that has directly interfered in U.S. elections get its comeuppance.


I don't know why you can't accept that people across the political spectrum may have nuanced opinions about the war in Ukraine. There is zero need to bring the "trumpers" element into it. You can discuss opinions and ideas without getting personal. Or can you?


It's hard to accept that many of you have nuanced opinions when your party actively aids and abets an insurrection, restricts the rights of others, doesn't see many of us as legitimate members of our society, and actively roots for dictators like Putin and Orban over our own President. I also am old enough to remember the "you are with us or against us" crowd during the build-up to the Iraq war. So, it's rich coming from any conservatives suggesting that anyone to the left of them "accept" nuances to their views. But please, feel free to explain why you're one of the few that doesn't get his/her talking points from Fox News. I'd be happy to hear alternative view points and consider them -- something that I rarely hear from Trumpers.


I'm gonna say this real patiently:

There is not "many of you". There is only one of me. Everyone else is just like me, only one person with their own views.

I don't have a party.

I am not really a conservative.

It also seems apropros to point out that the hard-on for the invasion of Iraq was displayed universally across the political spectrum, from Fox to MSNBC. Americans love themselves a holy war.

I am neither a Trumper or a Bidener.

Debate ideas, don't get personal, if you're as old as you say, you ought to be able to.


Oh good! Let's hear those ideas then! Do you support the war in Ukraine? I'm not talking flags and other virtue signaling. I'm asking whether you believe that the U.S. should be providing military aid to this country. If not, then I'd be curious why not. Let's ignore how it's played out for a moment.
Anonymous
Post 09/11/2022 17:10     Subject: Re:What is the End Game in Ukraine?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Why can't you Trumpers be happy that Ukraine is winning? That the Soviet Union won't be revived? That this might bring about the end of Putin's regime? That NATO and our western alliances will be stronger because of this? That the U.S. hasn't embroiled itself directly in another foreign entanglement? Trump wanted Europe to start contributing its fair share of the NATO budget. Well, this war seems to have done the trick. It shouldn't matter that it happened under Biden. You should be happy to see an adversary - one that has directly interfered in U.S. elections get its comeuppance.


I don't know why you can't accept that people across the political spectrum may have nuanced opinions about the war in Ukraine. There is zero need to bring the "trumpers" element into it. You can discuss opinions and ideas without getting personal. Or can you?


It's hard to accept that many of you have nuanced opinions when your party actively aids and abets an insurrection, restricts the rights of others, doesn't see many of us as legitimate members of our society, and actively roots for dictators like Putin and Orban over our own President. I also am old enough to remember the "you are with us or against us" crowd during the build-up to the Iraq war. So, it's rich coming from any conservatives suggesting that anyone to the left of them "accept" nuances to their views. But please, feel free to explain why you're one of the few that doesn't get his/her talking points from Fox News. I'd be happy to hear alternative view points and consider them -- something that I rarely hear from Trumpers.


I'm gonna say this real patiently:

There is not "many of you". There is only one of me. Everyone else is just like me, only one person with their own views.

I don't have a party.

I am not really a conservative.

It also seems apropros to point out that the hard-on for the invasion of Iraq was displayed universally across the political spectrum, from Fox to MSNBC. Americans love themselves a holy war.

I am neither a Trumper or a Bidener.

Debate ideas, don't get personal, if you're as old as you say, you ought to be able to.
Anonymous
Post 09/11/2022 17:03     Subject: Re:What is the End Game in Ukraine?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Why can't you Trumpers be happy that Ukraine is winning? That the Soviet Union won't be revived? That this might bring about the end of Putin's regime? That NATO and our western alliances will be stronger because of this? That the U.S. hasn't embroiled itself directly in another foreign entanglement? Trump wanted Europe to start contributing its fair share of the NATO budget. Well, this war seems to have done the trick. It shouldn't matter that it happened under Biden. You should be happy to see an adversary - one that has directly interfered in U.S. elections get its comeuppance.


I don't know why you can't accept that people across the political spectrum may have nuanced opinions about the war in Ukraine. There is zero need to bring the "trumpers" element into it. You can discuss opinions and ideas without getting personal. Or can you?


It's hard to accept that many of you have nuanced opinions when your party actively aids and abets an insurrection, restricts the rights of others, doesn't see many of us as legitimate members of our society, and actively roots for dictators like Putin and Orban over our own President. I also am old enough to remember the "you are with us or against us" crowd during the build-up to the Iraq war. So, it's rich coming from any conservatives suggesting that anyone to the left of them "accept" nuances to their views. But please, feel free to explain why you're one of the few that doesn't get his/her talking points from Fox News. I'd be happy to hear alternative view points and consider them -- something that I rarely hear from Trumpers.
Anonymous
Post 09/11/2022 16:44     Subject: Re:What is the End Game in Ukraine?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Why can't you Trumpers be happy that Ukraine is winning? That the Soviet Union won't be revived? That this might bring about the end of Putin's regime? That NATO and our western alliances will be stronger because of this? That the U.S. hasn't embroiled itself directly in another foreign entanglement? Trump wanted Europe to start contributing its fair share of the NATO budget. Well, this war seems to have done the trick. It shouldn't matter that it happened under Biden. You should be happy to see an adversary - one that has directly interfered in U.S. elections get its comeuppance.


The Hate America First crowd loves autocrats like Orban and Putin.


All American presidents loved the Gulf autocrats. It's a common disease, dear.
Anonymous
Post 09/11/2022 16:44     Subject: Re:What is the End Game in Ukraine?
Anonymous wrote:Why can't you Trumpers be happy that Ukraine is winning? That the Soviet Union won't be revived? That this might bring about the end of Putin's regime? That NATO and our western alliances will be stronger because of this? That the U.S. hasn't embroiled itself directly in another foreign entanglement? Trump wanted Europe to start contributing its fair share of the NATO budget. Well, this war seems to have done the trick. It shouldn't matter that it happened under Biden. You should be happy to see an adversary - one that has directly interfered in U.S. elections get its comeuppance.


I don't know why you can't accept that people across the political spectrum may have nuanced opinions about the war in Ukraine. There is zero need to bring the "trumpers" element into it. You can discuss opinions and ideas without getting personal. Or can you?
Anonymous
Post 09/11/2022 16:39     Subject: Re:What is the End Game in Ukraine?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Why can't you Trumpers be happy that Ukraine is winning? That the Soviet Union won't be revived? That this might bring about the end of Putin's regime? That NATO and our western alliances will be stronger because of this? That the U.S. hasn't embroiled itself directly in another foreign entanglement? Trump wanted Europe to start contributing its fair share of the NATO budget. Well, this war seems to have done the trick. It shouldn't matter that it happened under Biden. You should be happy to see an adversary - one that has directly interfered in U.S. elections get its comeuppance.


Just like we where winning in Afghanistan. Okay, I'll be happy. How many Ukrainian flags should I add to my twitter bio?


Yawn. No need to fly flags. We're not putting troops on the ground here. And Biden got us out of that disaster even if the pullout was ugly. This war is like a reverse Vietnam with the U.S. as China/Russia and we're playing those fools like a fiddle.
Anonymous
Post 09/11/2022 16:38     Subject: Re:What is the End Game in Ukraine?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Why can't you Trumpers be happy that Ukraine is winning? That the Soviet Union won't be revived? That this might bring about the end of Putin's regime? That NATO and our western alliances will be stronger because of this? That the U.S. hasn't embroiled itself directly in another foreign entanglement? Trump wanted Europe to start contributing its fair share of the NATO budget. Well, this war seems to have done the trick. It shouldn't matter that it happened under Biden. You should be happy to see an adversary - one that has directly interfered in U.S. elections get its comeuppance.


Just like we where winning in Afghanistan. Okay, I'll be happy. How many Ukrainian flags should I add to my twitter bio?


I’m trying to remember which president authorized the invasion of Afghanistan because they was a relatively small network of terrorists operating out of there. Anyone help me out?
Anonymous
Post 09/11/2022 16:35     Subject: Re:What is the End Game in Ukraine?
Anonymous wrote:Why can't you Trumpers be happy that Ukraine is winning? That the Soviet Union won't be revived? That this might bring about the end of Putin's regime? That NATO and our western alliances will be stronger because of this? That the U.S. hasn't embroiled itself directly in another foreign entanglement? Trump wanted Europe to start contributing its fair share of the NATO budget. Well, this war seems to have done the trick. It shouldn't matter that it happened under Biden. You should be happy to see an adversary - one that has directly interfered in U.S. elections get its comeuppance.


The Hate America First crowd loves autocrats like Orban and Putin.
Anonymous
Post 09/11/2022 16:34     Subject: Re:What is the End Game in Ukraine?
Anonymous wrote:Why can't you Trumpers be happy that Ukraine is winning? That the Soviet Union won't be revived? That this might bring about the end of Putin's regime? That NATO and our western alliances will be stronger because of this? That the U.S. hasn't embroiled itself directly in another foreign entanglement? Trump wanted Europe to start contributing its fair share of the NATO budget. Well, this war seems to have done the trick. It shouldn't matter that it happened under Biden. You should be happy to see an adversary - one that has directly interfered in U.S. elections get its comeuppance.


Just like we where winning in Afghanistan. Okay, I'll be happy. How many Ukrainian flags should I add to my twitter bio?
Anonymous
Post 09/11/2022 16:29     Subject: Re:What is the End Game in Ukraine?
Why can't you Trumpers be happy that Ukraine is winning? That the Soviet Union won't be revived? That this might bring about the end of Putin's regime? That NATO and our western alliances will be stronger because of this? That the U.S. hasn't embroiled itself directly in another foreign entanglement? Trump wanted Europe to start contributing its fair share of the NATO budget. Well, this war seems to have done the trick. It shouldn't matter that it happened under Biden. You should be happy to see an adversary - one that has directly interfered in U.S. elections get its comeuppance.
Anonymous
Post 09/11/2022 16:14     Subject: What is the End Game in Ukraine?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Why end the war when there is so, so much money to skim?


That was the republicans in Afghanistan.



Huh?

Obama had that war going for 8 years.

And then started a couple others.


Lies. What other wars did Obama start, pray tell? Of course, you blame him for 9/11 and Katrina, amirite?
Anonymous
Post 09/11/2022 16:01     Subject: What is the End Game in Ukraine?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Why end the war when there is so, so much money to skim?


That was the republicans in Afghanistan.



Huh?

Obama had that war going for 8 years.

And then started a couple others.
Anonymous
Post 09/11/2022 15:54     Subject: What is the End Game in Ukraine?
Viktor Orban is my leader; he speaks for Christendom.