Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is a DCUM success.

There was this crazy poster who keeps claiming that FCPS has IRS data to validate FARMS eligibility.

We now know that they dont. They should have done this before issuing their self-serving press-release. But better late than never.

I am glad the DCUM community shone the spotlight of this egregious piece of FCPS incompetence.

Don’t celebrate yet. I don’t see FCPS actually verifying income. They will accept income if a parent signs the form, no documentation needed. And the Washington Post will look the other way.

Lots of people in FCPS really hate the C4TJ crowd. If they have the opportunity to toss a couple of their parents in jail, I doubt they'll pass it up

There are parents on both sides of the issue that lied. Parents will do anything for their own children.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is a DCUM success.

There was this crazy poster who keeps claiming that FCPS has IRS data to validate FARMS eligibility.

We now know that they dont. They should have done this before issuing their self-serving press-release. But better late than never.

I am glad the DCUM community shone the spotlight of this egregious piece of FCPS incompetence.

Don’t celebrate yet. I don’t see FCPS actually verifying income. They will accept income if a parent signs the form, no documentation needed. And the Washington Post will look the other way.

If they end up not really verifying and if parents end up lying/equivocating - somebody could earn a Pullitzer through an investigative report later (Not the Post and their reporter on the TJ beat - she is too invested in the "reform" and the "reformers").

Parents should think of the embarrassment that will come their way/their kids way when the truth eventually comes out. Unless you truly believe 33% of the class of 2026 is made up of kids whose families make less than $55K/year

Varsity Blues HS Edition.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is a DCUM success.

There was this crazy poster who keeps claiming that FCPS has IRS data to validate FARMS eligibility.

We now know that they dont. They should have done this before issuing their self-serving press-release. But better late than never.

I am glad the DCUM community shone the spotlight of this egregious piece of FCPS incompetence.

Don’t celebrate yet. I don’t see FCPS actually verifying income. They will accept income if a parent signs the form, no documentation needed. And the Washington Post will look the other way.

If they end up not really verifying and if parents end up lying/equivocating - somebody could earn a Pullitzer through an investigative report later (Not the Post and their reporter on the TJ beat - she is too invested in the "reform" and the "reformers").

Parents should think of the embarrassment that will come their way/their kids way when the truth eventually comes out. Unless you truly believe 33% of the class of 2026 is made up of kids whose families make less than $55K/year

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:\

Relax. No one is getting kicked out. Most parents will sign the form and submit it to the middle school. FCPS is NOT engaging in forensic accounting.

People that checked yes will not have a problem lying again. There might be a handful that won’t, but the biggest cheaters will still be at TJ next year.

Except there's not simply a form to sign. They're (finally!) asking for actual third-party documentation. I think it is highly likely that some offers of admission will indeed be rescinded. It seems quite clear that they awarded the experience factor to anyone who answered yes and will now award it only to those who can provide documentation. There is no doubt that many families answered yes and do not have documentation, and surely for some of them the EF was the difference between admission and non-admission.

They are not asking for 3rd party documentation. They are only asking parents to submit the FARMs form to the middle school. The middle school can ask for documentation, but why would they?

A parent at our school just did this other day and then drove off in their Mercedes.

They can fill out the form with the correct income. It wouldn’t qualify them for FRM but at least they are submitting.

You think they actually lied about income on the form?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's a shame of TJ, FCPS Board, and Dem. Let's go back to the traditional valuation to focus on education instead of on politics.

Rs have decided to make “education” a wedge issue. They DGAF about kids. They will say whatever they think will get them elected. And some idiots believed them.

Only an idiot will believe that republicans have anything to do with the sad state of affairs at FCPS. But try to keep deflecting. Voters are not fools as was apparent in the last gubernatorial election.

Youngkin shows us we have too many fools. Rs aren’t going to help with public education. Quite the opposite. They want to push to privatize and defund our schools.

Your use of “we” and “us” betrays your pomposity and an inherent sense of superiority. If you look beyond your echo chamber, you will find that there are many who have no use for those that weaponize equity. Youngkin won an election - by definition thag means that more people thought differently than you. Call them fools but really the joke is on you.

Many of us are invested in education and not necessarily public education. If the progressives take FCPS down the gutter, I am all for vouchers. I hope it does not happen by TV like many citizens I care for students’ welfare and big entrenched political positions. It will be an honor to be listed as a “fool” k. Your list.

I strongly believe in public education. We are only as “educated” as our most vulnerable in our community.

Defunding public education to subsidize private school only for rich and/or talented kids will drive our schools into the ground and create even more inequalities. It will hurt our community.

Fools think that the GOP will help our schools.
A-holes hope that the GOP destroy our schools.

Your beliefs are your beliefs. They work for you. Others use yardsticks which may be very different from your beliefs. And democracy has a way of working out who prevails. You can rant and call people names (very Trump-like ironically) but it does not really matter.

Good public education is the best alternative. But in a democracy, we should always have alternatives. Bad public education - and I hope FCPS is not headed that way - implies we trigger those alternatives. Vouchers included.

Many of us are moderates and independents. We would like common sense reform across the board - be it guns, public education (including fixing TJ’s broken admission system). There is no interest in partisan ideologues who don’t allow any space for compromise. The democrats on public education are exactly there and there has already been blowback in other states (California for one).

And if you poll Asians they will probably put Education at par with guns and abortion in terms of issues that matter to them. Whether the Asian vote moves the needle in local elections in NoVa is moot - they can absolutely impact national elections in Va. And the Democrats are losing Asian-American support with their narrative on Education issues.

People who truly believe that won’t vote for Rs like Youngkin.

Id vote Youngkin over anyone on this school board.
Id vote Spanberger over Youngkin
Id vote Romney over Sanders anyday
Id hold my nose and vote Trump over AoC

That is just to say many of us think differently especially on education issues. This drama over TJ just points to misplaced priorities with the Dems

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is a DCUM success.

There was this crazy poster who keeps claiming that FCPS has IRS data to validate FARMS eligibility.

We now know that they dont. They should have done this before issuing their self-serving press-release. But better late than never.

I am glad the DCUM community shone the spotlight of this egregious piece of FCPS incompetence.

Don’t celebrate yet. I don’t see FCPS actually verifying income. They will accept income if a parent signs the form, no documentation needed. And the Washington Post will look the other way.

Lots of people in FCPS really hate the C4TJ crowd. If they have the opportunity to toss a couple of their parents in jail, I doubt they'll pass it up

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:\

Relax. No one is getting kicked out. Most parents will sign the form and submit it to the middle school. FCPS is NOT engaging in forensic accounting.

People that checked yes will not have a problem lying again. There might be a handful that won’t, but the biggest cheaters will still be at TJ next year.

Except there's not simply a form to sign. They're (finally!) asking for actual third-party documentation. I think it is highly likely that some offers of admission will indeed be rescinded. It seems quite clear that they awarded the experience factor to anyone who answered yes and will now award it only to those who can provide documentation. There is no doubt that many families answered yes and do not have documentation, and surely for some of them the EF was the difference between admission and non-admission.

They are not asking for 3rd party documentation. They are only asking parents to submit the FARMs form to the middle school. The middle school can ask for documentation, but why would they?

A parent at our school just did this other day and then drove off in their Mercedes.

Exactly. No documentation required.

Anonymous wrote:This is a DCUM success.

There was this crazy poster who keeps claiming that FCPS has IRS data to validate FARMS eligibility.

We now know that they dont. They should have done this before issuing their self-serving press-release. But better late than never.

I am glad the DCUM community shone the spotlight of this egregious piece of FCPS incompetence.

Don’t celebrate yet. I don’t see FCPS actually verifying income. They will accept income if a parent signs the form, no documentation needed. And the Washington Post will look the other way.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:\

Relax. No one is getting kicked out. Most parents will sign the form and submit it to the middle school. FCPS is NOT engaging in forensic accounting.

People that checked yes will not have a problem lying again. There might be a handful that won’t, but the biggest cheaters will still be at TJ next year.

Except there's not simply a form to sign. They're (finally!) asking for actual third-party documentation. I think it is highly likely that some offers of admission will indeed be rescinded. It seems quite clear that they awarded the experience factor to anyone who answered yes and will now award it only to those who can provide documentation. There is no doubt that many families answered yes and do not have documentation, and surely for some of them the EF was the difference between admission and non-admission.

They are not asking for 3rd party documentation. They are only asking parents to submit the FARMs form to the middle school. The middle school can ask for documentation, but why would they?

A parent at our school just did this other day and then drove off in their Mercedes.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's a shame of TJ, FCPS Board, and Dem. Let's go back to the traditional valuation to focus on education instead of on politics.

Rs have decided to make “education” a wedge issue. They DGAF about kids. They will say whatever they think will get them elected. And some idiots believed them.

Only an idiot will believe that republicans have anything to do with the sad state of affairs at FCPS. But try to keep deflecting. Voters are not fools as was apparent in the last gubernatorial election.

Youngkin shows us we have too many fools. Rs aren’t going to help with public education. Quite the opposite. They want to push to privatize and defund our schools.

Your use of “we” and “us” betrays your pomposity and an inherent sense of superiority. If you look beyond your echo chamber, you will find that there are many who have no use for those that weaponize equity. Youngkin won an election - by definition thag means that more people thought differently than you. Call them fools but really the joke is on you.

Many of us are invested in education and not necessarily public education. If the progressives take FCPS down the gutter, I am all for vouchers. I hope it does not happen by TV like many citizens I care for students’ welfare and big entrenched political positions. It will be an honor to be listed as a “fool” k. Your list.

I strongly believe in public education. We are only as “educated” as our most vulnerable in our community.

Defunding public education to subsidize private school only for rich and/or talented kids will drive our schools into the ground and create even more inequalities. It will hurt our community.

Fools think that the GOP will help our schools.
A-holes hope that the GOP destroy our schools.

Your beliefs are your beliefs. They work for you. Others use yardsticks which may be very different from your beliefs. And democracy has a way of working out who prevails. You can rant and call people names (very Trump-like ironically) but it does not really matter.

Good public education is the best alternative. But in a democracy, we should always have alternatives. Bad public education - and I hope FCPS is not headed that way - implies we trigger those alternatives. Vouchers included.

Many of us are moderates and independents. We would like common sense reform across the board - be it guns, public education (including fixing TJ’s broken admission system). There is no interest in partisan ideologues who don’t allow any space for compromise. The democrats on public education are exactly there and there has already been blowback in other states (California for one).

And if you poll Asians they will probably put Education at par with guns and abortion in terms of issues that matter to them. Whether the Asian vote moves the needle in local elections in NoVa is moot - they can absolutely impact national elections in Va. And the Democrats are losing Asian-American support with their narrative on Education issues.

For what amount and who has open seats? Would school be required to accept anyone, or could they choose and poach the brightest and best behaved. Most voucher systems result in crappy for profit (or non-profit with enormous administrative overhead) schools getting results that are worse than public schools. The best case scenario would be a large enough voucher to cover parochial school at the catholic tuition rate which seems more than a little problematic.

No, that’s a terrible outcome - look at Indiana. I’m not paying for kids to go to private school while public schools suffer.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:\

Relax. No one is getting kicked out. Most parents will sign the form and submit it to the middle school. FCPS is NOT engaging in forensic accounting.

People that checked yes will not have a problem lying again. There might be a handful that won’t, but the biggest cheaters will still be at TJ next year.

Except there's not simply a form to sign. They're (finally!) asking for actual third-party documentation. I think it is highly likely that some offers of admission will indeed be rescinded. It seems quite clear that they awarded the experience factor to anyone who answered yes and will now award it only to those who can provide documentation. There is no doubt that many families answered yes and do not have documentation, and surely for some of them the EF was the difference between admission and non-admission.

They are not asking for 3rd party documentation. They are only asking parents to submit the FARMs form to the middle school. The middle school can ask for documentation, but why would they?

And this is the statement that Parents and students signed on the application. The admissions office could remove students after admission, but it's highly unlikely they will actually go through with it.


Applicant: Please select the Applicant Electronic Signature Checkbox beside the legal affidavit statement signifying that you are ready to electronically sign the Application.

I understand and acknowledge that the responses and information provided in this application are accurate. I also acknowledge that all writing administrations (collectively "Tests") are considered confidential and are the sole property of Fairfax County Public Schools ("FCPS"). I promise to maintain the Tests as confidential, and I agree not to disclose or discuss any part of the Tests with anyone other than my parents. I understand and accept that if FCPS determines that I have not adhered to the foregoing obligations, I may be: (i) removed from the TJ admissions process; (ii) prohibited from accepting an offer of admission, if one is extended; (iii) ineligible to reapply to TJ; and (iv) removed from TJ as a student in the event FCPS determines that I have violated the foregoing, after I have been admitted to TJ and/or while I am attending TJ as a student.I hereby approve my Application for admission for the Class of 2026 at Thomas Jefferson High School for Science and Technology. I further certify that currently I reside full-time in a TJHSST participating school division.

Parent/Guardian, when the Application is completed (including math verification by the TJHSST School Liaison Counselor and electronic signature), the 'Submit' button will be activated and ready for processing. Please "SUBMIT" when the button is available. If you have any questions regarding this process, please refer to the 'Contact Us' tab at the top of the screen.

Parent/Guardian: Please select the Parent/Guardian Electronic Signature Checkbox beside the legal affidavit statement signifying that you are ready to electronically sign the Application.

I, the parent of the above student, confirm that I have read and understand my child’s acknowledgement and agreement (including possible consequences for non-compliance), as set forth above. I agree that the responses and information provided in this application are accurate. I also agree to hold in confidence any information which I receive about the Tests (as defined above).I hereby approve the Application for admission of my child for the Class of 2026 at Thomas Jefferson High School for Science and Technology. I further certify that my child resides with me and that I currently reside full-time in a TJHSST participating school division.

I also do not think that the TJ Admissions office will actually kick any kids out of the class of 2026. Why? This is the same office that created this problem and they cannot walk and chew gum at the same time.

But if they did, here is what parents who lie are signing:

Statement on the Free Meals Application:

“I certify (promise) that all information on this application is true and that all income is reported. I understand that this information is given in connection with the receipt of Federal funds, and that school officials may verify (check) the information. I am aware that if I purposely give false information, my children may lose meal benefits, and I may be prosecuted under applicable State and Federal laws.”

It also lists out sources of income and states that ALL sources of income must be included.

Sources of Income for Adults:
- Salary, wages, cash bonuses
- Net income from self- employment (farm or business)
- Unemployment benefits - Worker’s compensation - Supplemental Security Income (SSI)
- Cash assistance from State or local government
- Alimony payments
- Child support payments - Veteran’s benefits
- Strike benefits
- Social Security (including railroad retirement and black lung benefits)
- Private pensions or disability benefits
- Regular income from trusts or estates
- Annuities
- Investment income
- Earned interest
- Rental income
- Regular cash payments from outside household

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's a shame of TJ, FCPS Board, and Dem. Let's go back to the traditional valuation to focus on education instead of on politics.

Rs have decided to make “education” a wedge issue. They DGAF about kids. They will say whatever they think will get them elected. And some idiots believed them.

Only an idiot will believe that republicans have anything to do with the sad state of affairs at FCPS. But try to keep deflecting. Voters are not fools as was apparent in the last gubernatorial election.

Youngkin shows us we have too many fools. Rs aren’t going to help with public education. Quite the opposite. They want to push to privatize and defund our schools.

Your use of “we” and “us” betrays your pomposity and an inherent sense of superiority. If you look beyond your echo chamber, you will find that there are many who have no use for those that weaponize equity. Youngkin won an election - by definition thag means that more people thought differently than you. Call them fools but really the joke is on you.

Many of us are invested in education and not necessarily public education. If the progressives take FCPS down the gutter, I am all for vouchers. I hope it does not happen by TV like many citizens I care for students’ welfare and big entrenched political positions. It will be an honor to be listed as a “fool” k. Your list.

I strongly believe in public education. We are only as “educated” as our most vulnerable in our community.

Defunding public education to subsidize private school only for rich and/or talented kids will drive our schools into the ground and create even more inequalities. It will hurt our community.

Fools think that the GOP will help our schools.
A-holes hope that the GOP destroy our schools.

Your beliefs are your beliefs. They work for you. Others use yardsticks which may be very different from your beliefs. And democracy has a way of working out who prevails. You can rant and call people names (very Trump-like ironically) but it does not really matter.

Good public education is the best alternative. But in a democracy, we should always have alternatives. Bad public education - and I hope FCPS is not headed that way - implies we trigger those alternatives. Vouchers included.

Many of us are moderates and independents. We would like common sense reform across the board - be it guns, public education (including fixing TJ’s broken admission system). There is no interest in partisan ideologues who don’t allow any space for compromise. The democrats on public education are exactly there and there has already been blowback in other states (California for one).

And if you poll Asians they will probably put Education at par with guns and abortion in terms of issues that matter to them. Whether the Asian vote moves the needle in local elections in NoVa is moot - they can absolutely impact national elections in Va. And the Democrats are losing Asian-American support with their narrative on Education issues.

For what amount and who has open seats? Would school be required to accept anyone, or could they choose and poach the brightest and best behaved. Most voucher systems result in crappy for profit (or non-profit with enormous administrative overhead) schools getting results that are worse than public schools. The best case scenario would be a large enough voucher to cover parochial school at the catholic tuition rate which seems more than a little problematic.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's a shame of TJ, FCPS Board, and Dem. Let's go back to the traditional valuation to focus on education instead of on politics.

Rs have decided to make “education” a wedge issue. They DGAF about kids. They will say whatever they think will get them elected. And some idiots believed them.

Only an idiot will believe that republicans have anything to do with the sad state of affairs at FCPS. But try to keep deflecting. Voters are not fools as was apparent in the last gubernatorial election.

Youngkin shows us we have too many fools. Rs aren’t going to help with public education. Quite the opposite. They want to push to privatize and defund our schools.

Your use of “we” and “us” betrays your pomposity and an inherent sense of superiority. If you look beyond your echo chamber, you will find that there are many who have no use for those that weaponize equity. Youngkin won an election - by definition thag means that more people thought differently than you. Call them fools but really the joke is on you.

Many of us are invested in education and not necessarily public education. If the progressives take FCPS down the gutter, I am all for vouchers. I hope it does not happen by TV like many citizens I care for students’ welfare and big entrenched political positions. It will be an honor to be listed as a “fool” k. Your list.

I strongly believe in public education. We are only as “educated” as our most vulnerable in our community.

Defunding public education to subsidize private school only for rich and/or talented kids will drive our schools into the ground and create even more inequalities. It will hurt our community.

Fools think that the GOP will help our schools.
A-holes hope that the GOP destroy our schools.

Your beliefs are your beliefs. They work for you. Others use yardsticks which may be very different from your beliefs. And democracy has a way of working out who prevails. You can rant and call people names (very Trump-like ironically) but it does not really matter.

Good public education is the best alternative. But in a democracy, we should always have alternatives. Bad public education - and I hope FCPS is not headed that way - implies we trigger those alternatives. Vouchers included.

Many of us are moderates and independents. We would like common sense reform across the board - be it guns, public education (including fixing TJ’s broken admission system). There is no interest in partisan ideologues who don’t allow any space for compromise. The democrats on public education are exactly there and there has already been blowback in other states (California for one).

And if you poll Asians they will probably put Education at par with guns and abortion in terms of issues that matter to them. Whether the Asian vote moves the needle in local elections in NoVa is moot - they can absolutely impact national elections in Va. And the Democrats are losing Asian-American support with their narrative on Education issues.

People who truly believe that won’t vote for Rs like Youngkin.