This is such a nasty conversation but there were many many hours spent on this several years ago and the end result was that times moved by 15 minutes or something. The primary problems were:
- bus routes were challenging and no good way to get the MS and ES kids to school at reasonable times with a later HS bus route
— babysitting issues with HS kids needed to watch/pick up siblings after school (which also relates to the first—that’s why they can’t make the ES start at 7:30 instead of the HS)
— sports issues because if you start school later kids will be playing practicing until well last dark. Can’t do morning practices because can’t afford extra activities buses.

IME, all of it could be worked out if we had universal child care, and none of it will be worked out because we don’t have universal child care.
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Anonymous wrote:I’m sure tomorrow will be a wasted day for high schoolers. They will all be so tired. I’m dreading trying to get my kid up in the morning

You should try giving them a bedtime. I know parenting is hard, but they will be less tired with a good nights sleep.

Ha ha! I’m a pretty strong parent. You clearly don’t have teenagers. My kid will often go to bed at 10 but says he can’t fall asleep until 11 or later. The weekends also mess him up since he will sleep late on weekends to catch up on sleep. And now with AP exams around the corner, he is very stressed and anxious

Then give your kid's a bedtime. Another thing that might work is moving the clock forward for two hours, or even stop using DST.

Stop asking us to parent. This the BOE's job not mine!

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m sure tomorrow will be a wasted day for high schoolers. They will all be so tired. I’m dreading trying to get my kid up in the morning

You should try giving them a bedtime. I know parenting is hard, but they will be less tired with a good nights sleep.

Ha ha! I’m a pretty strong parent. You clearly don’t have teenagers. My kid will often go to bed at 10 but says he can’t fall asleep until 11 or later. The weekends also mess him up since he will sleep late on weekends to catch up on sleep. And now with AP exams around the corner, he is very stressed and anxious

Then give your kid's a bedtime. Another thing that might work is moving the clock forward for two hours, or even stop using DST.

I’m stunned you are that stupid. Seriously.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m sure tomorrow will be a wasted day for high schoolers. They will all be so tired. I’m dreading trying to get my kid up in the morning

You should try giving them a bedtime. I know parenting is hard, but they will be less tired with a good nights sleep.

Ha ha! I’m a pretty strong parent. You clearly don’t have teenagers. My kid will often go to bed at 10 but says he can’t fall asleep until 11 or later. The weekends also mess him up since he will sleep late on weekends to catch up on sleep. And now with AP exams around the corner, he is very stressed and anxious

2 teens, one 19 and in college (where she can choose not to take early morning classes) and one 16, still in HS. Perhaps your anxiety prone child should not be in AP classes if they are to much for him.

There are many families in the county who need their HS students to either watch their ES students after school, or, need their HS students to work after school, to help the family make rent and put food on the table. While that may not be your situation, surely you can see how these needs trump your anxious child's need to stay up late at night?

Every teen needs to sleep later. Not the HS students job to be a de facto babysitter and the rest of the teens have to pay the price for that. Not getting sufficient sleep would make anyone anxious. You are a wench.

Not really. Every teen needs sleep. This notion of later is a relative thing. Kids are very adaptable. Try going to bed earlier.

Would you shut up with that. They cannot get to bed earlier!!!!!!!! They won’t be able to fall asleep. Stop with you stupid people.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m sure tomorrow will be a wasted day for high schoolers. They will all be so tired. I’m dreading trying to get my kid up in the morning

You should try giving them a bedtime. I know parenting is hard, but they will be less tired with a good nights sleep.

Ha ha! I’m a pretty strong parent. You clearly don’t have teenagers. My kid will often go to bed at 10 but says he can’t fall asleep until 11 or later. The weekends also mess him up since he will sleep late on weekends to catch up on sleep. And now with AP exams around the corner, he is very stressed and anxious

2 teens, one 19 and in college (where she can choose not to take early morning classes) and one 16, still in HS. Perhaps your anxiety prone child should not be in AP classes if they are to much for him.

There are many families in the county who need their HS students to either watch their ES students after school, or, need their HS students to work after school, to help the family make rent and put food on the table. While that may not be your situation, surely you can see how these needs trump your anxious child's need to stay up late at night?

Every teen needs to sleep later. Not the HS students job to be a de facto babysitter and the rest of the teens have to pay the price for that. Not getting sufficient sleep would make anyone anxious. You are a wench.

Not really. Every teen needs sleep. This notion of later is a relative thing. Kids are very adaptable. Try going to bed earlier.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m sure tomorrow will be a wasted day for high schoolers. They will all be so tired. I’m dreading trying to get my kid up in the morning

You should try giving them a bedtime. I know parenting is hard, but they will be less tired with a good nights sleep.

Ha ha! I’m a pretty strong parent. You clearly don’t have teenagers. My kid will often go to bed at 10 but says he can’t fall asleep until 11 or later. The weekends also mess him up since he will sleep late on weekends to catch up on sleep. And now with AP exams around the corner, he is very stressed and anxious

Then give your kid's a bedtime. Another thing that might work is moving the clock forward for two hours, or even stop using DST.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m sure tomorrow will be a wasted day for high schoolers. They will all be so tired. I’m dreading trying to get my kid up in the morning

You should try giving them a bedtime. I know parenting is hard, but they will be less tired with a good nights sleep.

Ha ha! I’m a pretty strong parent. You clearly don’t have teenagers. My kid will often go to bed at 10 but says he can’t fall asleep until 11 or later. The weekends also mess him up since he will sleep late on weekends to catch up on sleep. And now with AP exams around the corner, he is very stressed and anxious

2 teens, one 19 and in college (where she can choose not to take early morning classes) and one 16, still in HS. Perhaps your anxiety prone child should not be in AP classes if they are to much for him.

There are many families in the county who need their HS students to either watch their ES students after school, or, need their HS students to work after school, to help the family make rent and put food on the table. While that may not be your situation, surely you can see how these needs trump your anxious child's need to stay up late at night?

You must need a free babysitter. I’m afraid you are that stupid.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m sure tomorrow will be a wasted day for high schoolers. They will all be so tired. I’m dreading trying to get my kid up in the morning

You should try giving them a bedtime. I know parenting is hard, but they will be less tired with a good nights sleep.

Ha ha! I’m a pretty strong parent. You clearly don’t have teenagers. My kid will often go to bed at 10 but says he can’t fall asleep until 11 or later. The weekends also mess him up since he will sleep late on weekends to catch up on sleep. And now with AP exams around the corner, he is very stressed and anxious

2 teens, one 19 and in college (where she can choose not to take early morning classes) and one 16, still in HS. Perhaps your anxiety prone child should not be in AP classes if they are to much for him.

There are many families in the county who need their HS students to either watch their ES students after school, or, need their HS students to work after school, to help the family make rent and put food on the table. While that may not be your situation, surely you can see how these needs trump your anxious child's need to stay up late at night?

Every teen needs to sleep later. Not the HS students job to be a de facto babysitter and the rest of the teens have to pay the price for that. Not getting sufficient sleep would make anyone anxious. You are a wench.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m sure tomorrow will be a wasted day for high schoolers. They will all be so tired. I’m dreading trying to get my kid up in the morning

You should try giving them a bedtime. I know parenting is hard, but they will be less tired with a good nights sleep.

Ha ha! I’m a pretty strong parent. You clearly don’t have teenagers. My kid will often go to bed at 10 but says he can’t fall asleep until 11 or later. The weekends also mess him up since he will sleep late on weekends to catch up on sleep. And now with AP exams around the corner, he is very stressed and anxious

2 teens, one 19 and in college (where she can choose not to take early morning classes) and one 16, still in HS. Perhaps your anxiety prone child should not be in AP classes if they are to much for him.

There are many families in the county who need their HS students to either watch their ES students after school, or, need their HS students to work after school, to help the family make rent and put food on the table. While that may not be your situation, surely you can see how these needs trump your anxious child's need to stay up late at night?

DP. Actually, no. Health is health, and the need for free babysitting is not a reason to avoid start times that are in the best interest of the health and the ability to learn of all kids. There are babysitting holes in the mornings with late elementary school start times too. People figure out a way. The same is true with jobs. Sorry, but if the current schedule is intended to maximize employment hours at the expense of sleep and school work, it it really in the best interest of the students?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m sure tomorrow will be a wasted day for high schoolers. They will all be so tired. I’m dreading trying to get my kid up in the morning

You should try giving them a bedtime. I know parenting is hard, but they will be less tired with a good nights sleep.

Ha ha! I’m a pretty strong parent. You clearly don’t have teenagers. My kid will often go to bed at 10 but says he can’t fall asleep until 11 or later. The weekends also mess him up since he will sleep late on weekends to catch up on sleep. And now with AP exams around the corner, he is very stressed and anxious

2 teens, one 19 and in college (where she can choose not to take early morning classes) and one 16, still in HS. Perhaps your anxiety prone child should not be in AP classes if they are to much for him.

There are many families in the county who need their HS students to either watch their ES students after school, or, need their HS students to work after school, to help the family make rent and put food on the table. While that may not be your situation, surely you can see how these needs trump your anxious child's need to stay up late at night?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m sure tomorrow will be a wasted day for high schoolers. They will all be so tired. I’m dreading trying to get my kid up in the morning

You should try giving them a bedtime. I know parenting is hard, but they will be less tired with a good nights sleep.

You have to realize these people can't take any personal responsibility and expect the county to do things for them.

Like you wanting the school to be a babysitter in the morning.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m guessing start times will change at some point. Not sure when exactly. It could be another 10 years.
MCPS cannot ignore the science for ever. They may be the last school district to change but rather than be leaders, they will play catch up.
MCPS is considered meh for a reason.

+1 I think the change will be coming everywhere. The science is clear. All experts agree that teens need 8-10 hours of sleep, ideally 9 to 9 1/2 hours. In our district (not Montgomery County), the high school bus comes at 6:23 a.m., so they wake up around 6 or so. School started at 7:20, but they would often get dropped off almost 30 minutes before that so that the buses could make the middle school run.

It is unreasonable to expect that teenagers will go to bed between 8:30 and 9:00 p.m. in order to get a healthy amount of sleep. Kids' body clocks aren't set to fall asleep that early. It is not a parenting issue.

As a parent who has had one kid go to public school and one kid go to private, I can attest that the late start time made a world of difference.

They JUST CHANGED the start times later for HS kids.

Who did?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m sure tomorrow will be a wasted day for high schoolers. They will all be so tired. I’m dreading trying to get my kid up in the morning

You should try giving them a bedtime. I know parenting is hard, but they will be less tired with a good nights sleep.

Ha ha! I’m a pretty strong parent. You clearly don’t have teenagers. My kid will often go to bed at 10 but says he can’t fall asleep until 11 or later. The weekends also mess him up since he will sleep late on weekends to catch up on sleep. And now with AP exams around the corner, he is very stressed and anxious

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m sure tomorrow will be a wasted day for high schoolers. They will all be so tired. I’m dreading trying to get my kid up in the morning

You should try giving them a bedtime. I know parenting is hard, but they will be less tired with a good nights sleep.

You have to realize these people can't take any personal responsibility and expect the county to do things for them.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m guessing start times will change at some point. Not sure when exactly. It could be another 10 years.
MCPS cannot ignore the science for ever. They may be the last school district to change but rather than be leaders, they will play catch up.
MCPS is considered meh for a reason.

+1 I think the change will be coming everywhere. The science is clear. All experts agree that teens need 8-10 hours of sleep, ideally 9 to 9 1/2 hours. In our district (not Montgomery County), the high school bus comes at 6:23 a.m., so they wake up around 6 or so. School started at 7:20, but they would often get dropped off almost 30 minutes before that so that the buses could make the middle school run.

It is unreasonable to expect that teenagers will go to bed between 8:30 and 9:00 p.m. in order to get a healthy amount of sleep. Kids' body clocks aren't set to fall asleep that early. It is not a parenting issue.

As a parent who has had one kid go to public school and one kid go to private, I can attest that the late start time made a world of difference.

They JUST CHANGED the start times later for HS kids.