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Anonymous wrote:There are some rejections that are 75th percentile for UMCP. Why would they be rejected? Any insights from the counselors posting here? UMCP does say it considers gender, so with female applicants outweighing male applicants everywhere, I assume it's harder to get in if you are female.

There are only so many slots available. If you are above 75% and didn’t get in, then it’s because something in your stats didn’t warrant a spot, whether that is demographics or other important aspect to creating a well-rounded class. It’s not plug and play. If you are a top student who submits top test scores then you are in at UMD. If not, then to it entire application is up against those others in your group who may or may not help with the well rounded news of the class. It’s pretty simple folks…

That was the question. What does UMCP consider important to creating a "well-rounded" freshman class? And how much of a penalty do you get for living in Montgomery County?

Ultimately, it’s about attracting (marketing!) future students, right? So, well rounded means representing the community in terms of demographics (race, geography, school representation, sociology economic, first gen, etc), and high stats (GPA, test scores). All of these statistics on the accepted and committed freshman class (and university as a whole, including graduation rates, jobs, etc) are used in the next years ranking, and subsequent marketing materials. It all sounds nice in the admissions offices saying other things, but this is basically it. If you don’t satisfy any of the desired demographics above and you have like grades with the masses, then you won’t stand out and likely won’t be asked to join the universities stats. Things like essays, community service, etc are only considered when tie breakers are needed. But, stats drive this process over all, like any business…

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Anonymous wrote:There are some rejections that are 75th percentile for UMCP. Why would they be rejected? Any insights from the counselors posting here? UMCP does say it considers gender, so with female applicants outweighing male applicants everywhere, I assume it's harder to get in if you are female.

There are only so many slots available. If you are above 75% and didn’t get in, then it’s because something in your stats didn’t warrant a spot, whether that is demographics or other important aspect to creating a well-rounded class. It’s not plug and play. If you are a top student who submits top test scores then you are in at UMD. If not, then to it entire application is up against those others in your group who may or may not help with the well rounded news of the class. It’s pretty simple folks…

That was the question. What does UMCP consider important to creating a "well-rounded" freshman class? And how much of a penalty do you get for living in Montgomery County?

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Anonymous wrote:Rejected. 4.7 weighted. 3.98 unweighted. 27 act. Upset.

ACT definitely not in line with GPA....red flag

This should not be a red flag. This will likely be my daughter next year. She has a slight learning disability but she excels in school because she is a very hard worker and is diligent. She just can’t seem to ace her standardized tests. Any school would be lucky to have her because she works hard and gets good grades.

It's not a red flag. A red flag is low GPA and high test scores -- not the other way around. Idiot.

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why wouldn't it be a red flag either way? If I was an admissions officer I would 100% question a 4.7/27 as inflated grades.

Because no matter what you personally think even with grade inflation SAT scores do not measure intelligence they measure test taking skills standardized test are not a measure of anything unless you almost ace it. It was originally created to find geniuses but it morphed into a money making scheme to sell books and test prep.

Actually the math section of the SAT has a strong correlation with intelligence.

Nope.

Not if you have adhd, and it's the last section on a 6 hour test!

Also, not if you've taken prep classes and tutoring geared to teaching how to do well with the content.

Also, not in a host of other circumstances. Just no. The SAT tests how well you take the SAT. Intelligence is only 1 of many factors.

"Just no?" Are you for real? I picture you stomping your feet and crossing your arms. "No! It doesn't work out for me and my littel snowflake, so NO! NO, NO, NO!"
Sorry your kid has been able to get teachers to give them the benefit of the doubt and plenty of "second chances" and "extra time" but that shouldn't cut it in the real world.

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Anonymous wrote:There are some rejections that are 75th percentile for UMCP. Why would they be rejected? Any insights from the counselors posting here? UMCP does say it considers gender, so with female applicants outweighing male applicants everywhere, I assume it's harder to get in if you are female.

There are only so many slots available. If you are above 75% and didn’t get in, then it’s because something in your stats didn’t warrant a spot, whether that is demographics or other important aspect to creating a well-rounded class. It’s not plug and play. If you are a top student who submits top test scores then you are in at UMD. If not, then to it entire application is up against those others in your group who may or may not help with the well rounded news of the class. It’s pretty simple folks…

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Anonymous wrote:There are some rejections that are 75th percentile for UMCP. Why would they be rejected? Any insights from the counselors posting here? UMCP does say it considers gender, so with female applicants outweighing male applicants everywhere, I assume it's harder to get in if you are female.

There are only so many slots available. If you are above 75% and didn’t get in, then it’s because something in your stats didn’t warrant a spot, whether that is demographics or other important aspect to creating a well-rounded class. It’s not plug and play. If you are a top student who submits top test scores then you are in at UMD. If not, then to it entire application is up against those others in your group who may or may not help with the well rounded news of the class. It’s pretty simple folks…

Anonymous wrote:There are some rejections that are 75th percentile for UMCP. Why would they be rejected? Any insights from the counselors posting here? UMCP does say it considers gender, so with female applicants outweighing male applicants everywhere, I assume it's harder to get in if you are female.

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Anonymous wrote:Rejected. 4.7 weighted. 3.98 unweighted. 27 act. Upset.

ACT definitely not in line with GPA....red flag

This should not be a red flag. This will likely be my daughter next year. She has a slight learning disability but she excels in school because she is a very hard worker and is diligent. She just can’t seem to ace her standardized tests. Any school would be lucky to have her because she works hard and gets good grades.

It's not a red flag. A red flag is low GPA and high test scores -- not the other way around. Idiot.

A 27 ACT signals perhaps the child is not that naturally intelligent and that the GPA might be reflective of a less rigorous grading policies. Look I am not an admissions officer. I agree it means the kid is hard worker. But come on, that has to be why the 4.7 in-state kid didn’t get in. Right???!!

My daughter is the one with the learning disabilities. She’s taking three AP classes and all the other classes are honors classes. Her classes are rigorous. She is a hard worker and studies. The standardized test only test for how quickly can you retrieve information that you learned. Some people are more quickly able to retrieve information than others. If she has time to sit and think she can come up with the answer. But a timed test is much more difficult. By the way she is not my only child. I have a son who does not work hard at all that manages to get very high grades and is able to ace the standardize tests. My daughter is much more organized and a hard worker. My son is very disorganized and hardly works at all. They are very different people and a school would be lucky to have either one of them. Not just my quick thinking son

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Anonymous wrote:Rejected. 4.7 weighted. 3.98 unweighted. 27 act. Upset.

ACT definitely not in line with GPA....red flag

This should not be a red flag. This will likely be my daughter next year. She has a slight learning disability but she excels in school because she is a very hard worker and is diligent. She just can’t seem to ace her standardized tests. Any school would be lucky to have her because she works hard and gets good grades.

It's not a red flag. A red flag is low GPA and high test scores -- not the other way around. Idiot.

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why wouldn't it be a red flag either way? If I was an admissions officer I would 100% question a 4.7/27 as inflated grades.

Because no matter what you personally think even with grade inflation SAT scores do not measure intelligence they measure test taking skills standardized test are not a measure of anything unless you almost ace it. It was originally created to find geniuses but it morphed into a money making scheme to sell books and test prep.

Actually the math section of the SAT has a strong correlation with intelligence.

Nope.

Not if you have adhd, and it's the last section on a 6 hour test!

Also, not if you've taken prep classes and tutoring geared to teaching how to do well with the content.

Also, not in a host of other circumstances. Just no. The SAT tests how well you take the SAT. Intelligence is only 1 of many factors.

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Anonymous wrote:I wonder if this will prove to be a mistake by umdcp - rejecting very strong MCPS candidates who would have likely attended. The tippy top may be more likely to go elsewhere. Or not - I don’t know these days. Scores have definitely been rising the past couple of years. It’ll be interesting to see.

Average SAT scores at UMD have definitely risen over the past decade. Selectivity has decreased every year as well. It used to be seen as a party school. I don't think that is as accurate any longer.

Many tippy top ARE attending UMD at least among my neighbors. Cost is big factor. If you aren’t qualifying for much or any need based aid, even if you do crack the code on acceptance to a T20, is it worth almost 80K a year X 4 years, by how many kids you have to put through college … especially if your kid wants to be an engineer or STEM field where the outcome would likely be the same no matter the school? Where they can get merit, the school may not be as strong as UMD for that field so financially it wouldn’t make sense to pick the other school.

The other issue is that these very high achieving students can't get into the top 20 schools. It is so incredibly competitive. Kids with the highest stats and amazing ECs are getting rejected from the top schools in the country. To gain admission these days you have to have started your own business that makes lots of money or has somehow become well known, conducted award winning research, achieved social media fame and the like. Ordinary tippy top kids pursuing kid-interests (think high school level sports and clubs) cannot gain admission anymore to the most elite institutions without connections.

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Anonymous wrote:Rejected. 4.7 weighted. 3.98 unweighted. 27 act. Upset.

ACT definitely not in line with GPA....red flag

This should not be a red flag. This will likely be my daughter next year. She has a slight learning disability but she excels in school because she is a very hard worker and is diligent. She just can’t seem to ace her standardized tests. Any school would be lucky to have her because she works hard and gets good grades.

But it is and was a red flag, PP did not get in. You don't send a 27 with that kind of GPA and you certainly don't send a 27 to UMD, when you have the option to not submit scores.

Enough already. This is an actual kid we’re talking about. I think a separate thread about when to go test optional at UMD would be a useful thread, especially when we have more data.

Yes this is my kid. Our college consultant told us to submit the 27. She has kids getting to UMD all the time. She didn’t think the 27 would hurt her chances. I am obviously not so sure I agree, but either way, UMD rejected her. It’s upsetting when you child has worked so hard throughout highschool.

No. I am so sorry but the 27 did significantly hurt your kids chances. Because what it underlined for the school was only the learning disability. Going test optional would have shown the great GPA and that would have reflected that the learning disability is overcome by your kid.

Go and also apply to UMBC. You still have 3 days left. Don't worry about the school report and recommendations for now. You can ask for it later from your HS.

Yes! If in-state is what you want get your kid to apply to umbc and any other school they are interested in that still has a deadline open. Transferring into MD should be fairly easy with good grades (depending on major). Do not recommend your college counselor to others. They gave you terrible advice. Test optional has now been around a couple years. It is not a complete mystery.

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Anonymous wrote:Rejected. 4.7 weighted. 3.98 unweighted. 27 act. Upset.

ACT definitely not in line with GPA....red flag

This should not be a red flag. This will likely be my daughter next year. She has a slight learning disability but she excels in school because she is a very hard worker and is diligent. She just can’t seem to ace her standardized tests. Any school would be lucky to have her because she works hard and gets good grades.

But it is and was a red flag, PP did not get in. You don't send a 27 with that kind of GPA and you certainly don't send a 27 to UMD, when you have the option to not submit scores.

Enough already. This is an actual kid we’re talking about. I think a separate thread about when to go test optional at UMD would be a useful thread, especially when we have more data.

Yes this is my kid. Our college consultant told us to submit the 27. She has kids getting to UMD all the time. She didn’t think the 27 would hurt her chances. I am obviously not so sure I agree, but either way, UMD rejected her. It’s upsetting when you child has worked so hard throughout highschool.

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Anonymous wrote:Rejected. 4.7 weighted. 3.98 unweighted. 27 act. Upset.

ACT definitely not in line with GPA....red flag

This should not be a red flag. This will likely be my daughter next year. She has a slight learning disability but she excels in school because she is a very hard worker and is diligent. She just can’t seem to ace her standardized tests. Any school would be lucky to have her because she works hard and gets good grades.

It's not a red flag. A red flag is low GPA and high test scores -- not the other way around. Idiot.

A 27 ACT signals perhaps the child is not that naturally intelligent and that the GPA might be reflective of a less rigorous grading policies. Look I am not an admissions officer. I agree it means the kid is hard worker. But come on, that has to be why the 4.7 in-state kid didn’t get in. Right???!!

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Anonymous wrote:Rejected. 4.7 weighted. 3.98 unweighted. 27 act. Upset.

ACT definitely not in line with GPA....red flag

This should not be a red flag. This will likely be my daughter next year. She has a slight learning disability but she excels in school because she is a very hard worker and is diligent. She just can’t seem to ace her standardized tests. Any school would be lucky to have her because she works hard and gets good grades.

It's not a red flag. A red flag is low GPA and high test scores -- not the other way around. Idiot.

why wouldn't it be a red flag either way? If I was an admissions officer I would 100% question a 4.7/27 as inflated grades.

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Anonymous wrote:Rejected. 4.7 weighted. 3.98 unweighted. 27 act. Upset.

ACT definitely not in line with GPA....red flag

This should not be a red flag. This will likely be my daughter next year. She has a slight learning disability but she excels in school because she is a very hard worker and is diligent. She just can’t seem to ace her standardized tests. Any school would be lucky to have her because she works hard and gets good grades.

But it is and was a red flag, PP did not get in. You don't send a 27 with that kind of GPA and you certainly don't send a 27 to UMD, when you have the option to not submit scores.

Enough already. This is an actual kid we’re talking about. I think a separate thread about when to go test optional at UMD would be a useful thread, especially when we have more data.

Yes this is my kid. Our college consultant told us to submit the 27. She has kids getting to UMD all the time. She didn’t think the 27 would hurt her chances. I am obviously not so sure I agree, but either way, UMD rejected her. It’s upsetting when you child has worked so hard throughout highschool.

No. I am so sorry but the 27 did significantly hurt your kids chances. Because what it underlined for the school was only the learning disability. Going test optional would have shown the great GPA and that would have reflected that the learning disability is overcome by your kid.

Go and also apply to UMBC. You still have 3 days left. Don't worry about the school report and recommendations for now. You can ask for it later from your HS.