Anonymous
01/31/2022 06:59
Subject: Re:Crime on the hill - Charles Allen has got to go
Even if they are charged and sentenced until 21 (which would be unusual), what rehab is offered? What conditions must be met for release? I don't even know where they go - used to be Oak Hill and then halfway houses no? Mostly criminal training and networking for those that didn't want to go straight .
Anonymous
01/30/2022 23:18
Subject: Re:Crime on the hill - Charles Allen has got to go
Anonymous wrote:Oh my god, everyone (at least in recent pages of this thread) needs to read up on how criminal justice actually works in DC. Karl Racine doesn't have any prosecutors (except in the loosest sense related to juvenile crimes). The federal government, specifically the United States Attorney's Office for the District of Columbia, is responsible for prosecuting all felonies (i.e., crimes punishable by more than one year in jail) in D.C. Our prosecutor-in-chief is the U.S. Attorney, a man named Matthew Graves. The disconnect between the police and the prosecutors, unique in our country, is a problem, but it's hardly one you can blame Bowser or Contee for when it was imposed on us by Congress.
The vast majority of the violent crimes being discussed in this thread (armed carjackings and robberies, gun cases) have been committed by teens, and those cases are “prosecuted” by Karl Racine’s office. This is why the mayor and Contee specifically targeted Racine. Additionally, even those cases where the perps are a little older, chances are they were juvenile delinquents previously “prosecuted” by Racine’s office but yet still roaming the streets committing crimes. Some of us know how the criminal justice system here in DC works, but thanks for the helpful tips.
Anonymous
01/30/2022 21:24
Subject: Crime on the hill - Charles Allen has got to go
Anonymous wrote:That time the criminals convinced people if you didn’t have cops, they would commit less crime😂 The country now has a serious case of GFS - ghetto fatigue syndrome. Nov won’t be pretty.
Punks are running wild in the street and there’s nobody anywhere who seems to know what to do, and there’s no end to it.
Anonymous
01/30/2022 21:17
Subject: Crime on the hill - Charles Allen has got to go
Anonymous wrote:The question is, where is the prevention work that Bowser should be doing with city agencies and if it is being done, can we conclude it doesn’t work? Bowser seems to conclude that prevention does not work because she now says she wants to lock them up. But she’s has been very passive about crime during her entire tenure, probably because she inherited a low crime situation and does realize or understand what leadership she needs to bring to the table. She also just wants to pass the buck.
The other question is why isn’t Contee positioning more officers in plainclothes, undercover, working with informants, etc to target these criminals? This is what bothers me the most, because Bowser is good at making excuses and her chief excuse over and over is that these criminals are from Maryland. But the vast majority are not. I saw some study that the vast majority of crimes in DC are committed by people with live within a one mile radius of each other. That should actually make early intervention, deterrence and investigations easier. And yet…
I get that the council passed these laws for juvenile offenders. But what I don’t see is the connection between that and city government and MPD failures. All I see is finger pointing and it bodes ill for the future.
Contee should have a whole team together to play hardball with the prosecutors. Demand to sit with the prosecutors, enumerate and go over each and every thing in the perp's history, regardless of whether it was plea bargained away and show them just how many chances the perps have ALREADY gotten. And show the impact on the community. Contee should have a whole team going to the media every single time, and highlighting weak prosecution, violent offenders and repeat offenders getting off with a slap on the wrist. Publish the stats. Show all of the arrests THEY made which the prosecutors allowed to get off.
Anonymous
01/30/2022 21:10
Subject: Re:Crime on the hill - Charles Allen has got to go
Oh my god, everyone (at least in recent pages of this thread) needs to read up on how criminal justice actually works in DC. Karl Racine doesn't have any prosecutors (except in the loosest sense related to juvenile crimes). The federal government, specifically the United States Attorney's Office for the District of Columbia, is responsible for prosecuting all felonies (i.e., crimes punishable by more than one year in jail) in D.C. Our prosecutor-in-chief is the U.S. Attorney, a man named Matthew Graves. The disconnect between the police and the prosecutors, unique in our country, is a problem, but it's hardly one you can blame Bowser or Contee for when it was imposed on us by Congress.
Anonymous
01/30/2022 20:58
Subject: Re:Crime on the hill - Charles Allen has got to go
Anonymous wrote:One of our "unhoused" drew 150 swastikas in Union Station but gets less press than a DCPS high schooler accused of making racist statements on Facebook.
https://wtop.com/dc/2022/01/dc-police-arrest-suspect-for-swastika-vandalism-at-union-station/
Look that sh*t was terrible but the fact that it was done by a mentally unstable person actually makes me feel better.
Anonymous
01/30/2022 20:20
Subject: Re:Crime on the hill - Charles Allen has got to go
Anonymous wrote:One of our "unhoused" drew 150 swastikas in Union Station but gets less press than a DCPS high schooler accused of making racist statements on Facebook.
https://wtop.com/dc/2022/01/dc-police-arrest-suspect-for-swastika-vandalism-at-union-station/
Oh don't worry, instead of getting involuntary hospitalizations he will be charged with hate crimes. It's woke America!
Anonymous
01/30/2022 20:03
Subject: Re:Crime on the hill - Charles Allen has got to go
One of our "unhoused" drew 150 swastikas in Union Station but gets less press than a DCPS high schooler accused of making racist statements on Facebook.
https://wtop.com/dc/2022/01/dc-police-arrest-suspect-for-swastika-vandalism-at-union-station/
https://wtop.com/dc/2022/01/dc-police-arrest-suspect-for-swastika-vandalism-at-union-station/
Anonymous
01/30/2022 14:03
Subject: Crime on the hill - Charles Allen has got to go
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The question is, where is the prevention work that Bowser should be doing with city agencies and if it is being done, can we conclude it doesn’t work? Bowser seems to conclude that prevention does not work because she now says she wants to lock them up. But she’s has been very passive about crime during her entire tenure, probably because she inherited a low crime situation and does realize or understand what leadership she needs to bring to the table. She also just wants to pass the buck.
The other question is why isn’t Contee positioning more officers in plainclothes, undercover, working with informants, etc to target these criminals? This is what bothers me the most, because Bowser is good at making excuses and her chief excuse over and over is that these criminals are from Maryland. But the vast majority are not. I saw some study that the vast majority of crimes in DC are committed by people with live within a one mile radius of each other. That should actually make early intervention, deterrence and investigations easier. And yet…
I get that the council passed these laws for juvenile offenders. But what I don’t see is the connection between that and city government and MPD failures. All I see is finger pointing and it bodes ill for the future.
I am not a fan of Bowser, esp. densification. However, the city offers a TON of services. The one failing is that she has pushed ending homelessness and placement, but city agencies MUST monitor and provide services to "the placed"-and no one sees that being done. So yes, she needs to address that.
Once a crime has been committed, it's out of her hands and up to the Council and the AG. The Council has been weakening criminal penalties, but not increasing rehabiltative serviecs, so they basically suck. They have also attempted great and succeeded in some defunding of police. She has spoken out against all these measures to weaken policing. The AG dismisses gun crimes on the reg, and the police chief and Bowser have spoken out against this. For an anti-gun city, the AG office dismiss way too many gun charges by actual criminals.
As to officers in plainsclothes--LOL, the police aren't allowed to do ANYTHING to "target" criminals and none of the cameras in DC work for anything but tickets. As to that, the tickets are not being paid by MD + VA residents anyway and we are making no attempt to collect or boot out of staters. The Council AND Mayor need to address this.
All this useless talking.
We are simply soft on crime now because we are a “holistic approach” for better optics in the stats. Obviously the nation is aghast, and that will be reflected in November, but on a local level we’re stuck with leaders who would rather innocent bystanders self flagellate by getting car jacked than to be proactive and arrest people.
Anonymous
01/30/2022 12:21
Subject: Crime on the hill - Charles Allen has got to go
Anonymous wrote:The question is, where is the prevention work that Bowser should be doing with city agencies and if it is being done, can we conclude it doesn’t work? Bowser seems to conclude that prevention does not work because she now says she wants to lock them up. But she’s has been very passive about crime during her entire tenure, probably because she inherited a low crime situation and does realize or understand what leadership she needs to bring to the table. She also just wants to pass the buck.
The other question is why isn’t Contee positioning more officers in plainclothes, undercover, working with informants, etc to target these criminals? This is what bothers me the most, because Bowser is good at making excuses and her chief excuse over and over is that these criminals are from Maryland. But the vast majority are not. I saw some study that the vast majority of crimes in DC are committed by people with live within a one mile radius of each other. That should actually make early intervention, deterrence and investigations easier. And yet…
I get that the council passed these laws for juvenile offenders. But what I don’t see is the connection between that and city government and MPD failures. All I see is finger pointing and it bodes ill for the future.
I am not a fan of Bowser, esp. densification. However, the city offers a TON of services. The one failing is that she has pushed ending homelessness and placement, but city agencies MUST monitor and provide services to "the placed"-and no one sees that being done. So yes, she needs to address that.
Once a crime has been committed, it's out of her hands and up to the Council and the AG. The Council has been weakening criminal penalties, but not increasing rehabiltative serviecs, so they basically suck. They have also attempted great and succeeded in some defunding of police. She has spoken out against all these measures to weaken policing. The AG dismisses gun crimes on the reg, and the police chief and Bowser have spoken out against this. For an anti-gun city, the AG office dismiss way too many gun charges by actual criminals.
As to officers in plainsclothes--LOL, the police aren't allowed to do ANYTHING to "target" criminals and none of the cameras in DC work for anything but tickets. As to that, the tickets are not being paid by MD + VA residents anyway and we are making no attempt to collect or boot out of staters. The Council AND Mayor need to address this.
Anonymous
01/29/2022 23:47
Subject: Crime on the hill - Charles Allen has got to go
The question is, where is the prevention work that Bowser should be doing with city agencies and if it is being done, can we conclude it doesn’t work? Bowser seems to conclude that prevention does not work because she now says she wants to lock them up. But she’s has been very passive about crime during her entire tenure, probably because she inherited a low crime situation and does realize or understand what leadership she needs to bring to the table. She also just wants to pass the buck.
The other question is why isn’t Contee positioning more officers in plainclothes, undercover, working with informants, etc to target these criminals? This is what bothers me the most, because Bowser is good at making excuses and her chief excuse over and over is that these criminals are from Maryland. But the vast majority are not. I saw some study that the vast majority of crimes in DC are committed by people with live within a one mile radius of each other. That should actually make early intervention, deterrence and investigations easier. And yet…
I get that the council passed these laws for juvenile offenders. But what I don’t see is the connection between that and city government and MPD failures. All I see is finger pointing and it bodes ill for the future.
The other question is why isn’t Contee positioning more officers in plainclothes, undercover, working with informants, etc to target these criminals? This is what bothers me the most, because Bowser is good at making excuses and her chief excuse over and over is that these criminals are from Maryland. But the vast majority are not. I saw some study that the vast majority of crimes in DC are committed by people with live within a one mile radius of each other. That should actually make early intervention, deterrence and investigations easier. And yet…
I get that the council passed these laws for juvenile offenders. But what I don’t see is the connection between that and city government and MPD failures. All I see is finger pointing and it bodes ill for the future.
Anonymous
01/29/2022 18:38
Subject: Crime on the hill - Charles Allen has got to go
That time the criminals convinced people if you didn’t have cops, they would commit less crime😂 The country now has a serious case of GFS - ghetto fatigue syndrome. Nov won’t be pretty.
Anonymous
01/29/2022 14:58
Subject: Re:Crime on the hill - Charles Allen has got to go
The AG and the Council and the services are where the fail is happening. The AG decides what/who to charge, and the Council has all kinds of bows tied on police work and youth rehab, how long kids can be sentenced, etc. Bowser should have oversight over agencies and police doing as much as they are allowed, but the Council has been just terrible for our city safety profile with their defunding and decriminizing, and the AG has been terrible about charging gun crimes.
Anonymous
01/29/2022 12:35
Subject: Crime on the hill - Charles Allen has got to go
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Violent assault https://twitter.com/alanhenney/status/1487263424799293442?s=21
And an armed robbery
https://twitter.com/alanhenney/status/1487261307153825803?s=21
At this point even I’m thinking about running against Allen.
A lot of people would contribute from other wards to ANYONE who is the opposite of Allen. Hammurabi would amass a war chest at this point.
The loony crime policies of some of our DC Councilmembers don't just affect their wards. Apparently further softening of youth crime accountability is being pushed through by Allen. Silverman and their ilk RIGHT NOW for vote this spring.
I’m curious how much responsibility Bowser should take. Both her and Contee point their fingers at the council but certainly have much more actual power to do something about it.
Its pathetic that the entire city government is pointing fingers instead of and in preference to coming together to tackle this problem that should be their highest priority.
Contee cannot do anything other than make the arrests, that’s why he said people need to follow a case through the system to see what happens after it’s out of MPDs hands. If Karl Racine’s prosecutors (and I’m using that word pretty loosely here, social workers might be a better fit) are just letting kids out, giving them slaps on the wrists, and not holding them accountable for violent crime, Contee has no control over that. These people can’t all come together because they do not share a common vision. Charles Allen/the Council/Karl Racine do not believe in accountability for young people that are committing violent crimes. Merely giving a mentor and a probation officer to a kid who is carjacking people at gunpoint is not accountability. The level of accountability needs to match the offense, it cannot be that because you are a kid we will treat you the same whether you steal candy or shoot somebody.
Anonymous
01/29/2022 11:22
Subject: Crime on the hill - Charles Allen has got to go
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Violent assault https://twitter.com/alanhenney/status/1487263424799293442?s=21
And an armed robbery
https://twitter.com/alanhenney/status/1487261307153825803?s=21
At this point even I’m thinking about running against Allen.
A lot of people would contribute from other wards to ANYONE who is the opposite of Allen. Hammurabi would amass a war chest at this point.
The loony crime policies of some of our DC Councilmembers don't just affect their wards. Apparently further softening of youth crime accountability is being pushed through by Allen. Silverman and their ilk RIGHT NOW for vote this spring.
I’m curious how much responsibility Bowser should take. Both her and Contee point their fingers at the council but certainly have much more actual power to do something about it.
Its pathetic that the entire city government is pointing fingers instead of and in preference to coming together to tackle this problem that should be their highest priority.