Anonymous wrote:If it is normal on movie sets to point guns at people and pull the trigger, I think that needs to change. It's not a safe practice.

So ... you've never seen a movie.

If it is normal on movie sets to point guns at people and pull the trigger, I think that needs to change. It's not a safe practice.

A lot of misinformation on this thread. The crew did not walk off because of gun safety concerns, it was because they were not being housed in Santa Fe, they were being forced to go back and forth from Albuquerque, which is like an hour away, and for people who are working all hours of day and night, that's NOT a safe drive. Please get your facts straight, folks.

Anonymous wrote:The LA Times said the lead armorer was a 24 year old. That seems a bit young to be in charge of something so important but I’ve never been on a film set either.

Doesn't seem young to me. Kids younger than that manage armories in the military and any soldier in a combat environment routinely handles weapons. So 18 year olds, etc are entrusted with weapons and live ammo.

If he was shooting the weapons in between takes, that's a pretty serious breach of safety.

This is what happens when you cast a liberal from Long Island in a Western.

Wow. It seems like they were not following any of the established protocols for gun safety on set. I'm sure it's not the first movie production to flout the rules but unfortunately the consequences were more severe than anyone expected.

Anonymous wrote:For those of you saying it was reckless to point the gun in rehearsal, that’s ridiculous. These are actors and professionals who have filmed many movies and worked on many plays where guns were handled appropriately and safely. Why would they think this one would be any different. I dislike Baldwin and think he’s an ass but this was clearly someone else’s critical error. Very sad for Halyna Hutchins’ family.

+1. If the armored in fact put a live cartridge in the gun, that was gross negligence and misconduct and maybe criminal. There were then probably some other mistakes in that it appears that proper procedure was to have multiple checks in place which maybe didn’t happen due to a combination of covid protocols and cheap producers who fired the union workers after they complained about the long hours. I feel bad for the assistant director who probably had no idea what the right safety protocols were and was likely asked to do someone else’s job without knowing what was involved.
This is one reason why stars often won’t work when IATSE strikes—both union solidarity and knowing that bad things happen when they bring in they don’t have the right professionals in place. Usually those bad things are more in the nature of the lighting being unflattering, though.

For those of you saying it was reckless to point the gun in rehearsal, that’s ridiculous. These are actors and professionals who have filmed many movies and worked on many plays where guns were handled appropriately and safely. Why would they think this one would be any different. I dislike Baldwin and think he’s an ass but this was clearly someone else’s critical error. Very sad for Halyna Hutchins’ family.

Anonymous wrote:The LA Times said the lead armorer was a 24 year old. That seems a bit young to be in charge of something so important but I’ve never been on a film set either.

I'm sure this will all get blamed on him exclusively. Sad situation all around.

The LA Times said the lead armorer was a 24 year old. That seems a bit young to be in charge of something so important but I’ve never been on a film set either.

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Anonymous wrote:It looks like this was the FOURTH misfire in two weeks on that set. How?!?!

Can any attorneys weigh in on what personal liability Alec might face?

https://www.msn.com/en-us/movies/news/alec-baldwin-rust-camera-crew-walked-off-the-set-in-protest-before-the-fatal-shooting/ar-AAPQj5V

Do you mean the director? Or the executive producer?

I mean Alec. Could he face any civil or criminal liability?

It doesn't matter if he could or should. Either way, he won't.

Of course it matters.

But given what we know right now, there's no legal or moral liability.

I meant it doesn't matter because he's Alec Baldwin and there will be no repercussions for him even if there should be.

He did point a gun at people and press the trigger. That doesn't make him a murderer. But it's also very reckless so that's why I'm asking if he could face any legal consequences. It's like running a stoplight and killing someone. You just meant to get somewhere faster, but someone died as a result. I'm not saying he should or shouldn't be charged, I'm asking if any attorneys think there may be legal issues for him down the road.

Wait. They weren't filming a scene? He was just randomly handling the gun with it pointing at other people? That's a completely different story. (DP)

I read that they were not shooting a scene. They were rehearsing and discussing a scene. He said something like "you mean like this" and pointed it at them and fired. That's just what I've read, obviously the cops have all the facts.

Thanks.

I can only say "wow." Any idiot knows you never point a gun at another person. If that is what he did then he deserves the consequences of a charge like negligent homicide or similar (if it was truly unintentional).

Yes, you do when the gun is a prop and you’re planning, setting up or rehearsing a scene. Thanks for letting us know you’ve never been on a film set.

NP here who’s never been on a movie set either but it seems pretty dangerous and foolish to me to point a prop gun at another person even when filming a scene. Use a rubber gun or something.

It seems dangerous when the armorer likes to play with his toys during break.

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Anonymous wrote:It looks like this was the FOURTH misfire in two weeks on that set. How?!?!

Can any attorneys weigh in on what personal liability Alec might face?

https://www.msn.com/en-us/movies/news/alec-baldwin-rust-camera-crew-walked-off-the-set-in-protest-before-the-fatal-shooting/ar-AAPQj5V

Do you mean the director? Or the executive producer?

I mean Alec. Could he face any civil or criminal liability?

It doesn't matter if he could or should. Either way, he won't.

Of course it matters.

But given what we know right now, there's no legal or moral liability.

I meant it doesn't matter because he's Alec Baldwin and there will be no repercussions for him even if there should be.

He did point a gun at people and press the trigger. That doesn't make him a murderer. But it's also very reckless so that's why I'm asking if he could face any legal consequences. It's like running a stoplight and killing someone. You just meant to get somewhere faster, but someone died as a result. I'm not saying he should or shouldn't be charged, I'm asking if any attorneys think there may be legal issues for him down the road.

Wait. They weren't filming a scene? He was just randomly handling the gun with it pointing at other people? That's a completely different story. (DP)

I read that they were not shooting a scene. They were rehearsing and discussing a scene. He said something like "you mean like this" and pointed it at them and fired. That's just what I've read, obviously the cops have all the facts.

Thanks.

I can only say "wow." Any idiot knows you never point a gun at another person. If that is what he did then he deserves the consequences of a charge like negligent homicide or similar (if it was truly unintentional).

Yes, you do when the gun is a prop and you’re planning, setting up or rehearsing a scene. Thanks for letting us know you’ve never been on a film set.

NP here who’s never been on a movie set either but it seems pretty dangerous and foolish to me to point a prop gun at another person even when filming a scene. Use a rubber gun or something.

Anonymous wrote:NYT reporting Assistant Director handed Baldwin the gun — one of three prepared and waiting on a cart (because of COVID restrictions). Sheriff reporting AD said “cold gun” before handing it over, which may explain why Baldwin’s mind went immediately to “who gave me a hot gun?”

COVID protocols meaning the armorer couldn’t come in the room because it would be too many people in a closed space? The one time COVID protocols should be suspended would be around guns. Seems really negligent.

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Anonymous wrote:It looks like this was the FOURTH misfire in two weeks on that set. How?!?!

Can any attorneys weigh in on what personal liability Alec might face?

https://www.msn.com/en-us/movies/news/alec-baldwin-rust-camera-crew-walked-off-the-set-in-protest-before-the-fatal-shooting/ar-AAPQj5V

Do you mean the director? Or the executive producer?

I mean Alec. Could he face any civil or criminal liability?

It doesn't matter if he could or should. Either way, he won't.

Of course it matters.

But given what we know right now, there's no legal or moral liability.

I meant it doesn't matter because he's Alec Baldwin and there will be no repercussions for him even if there should be.

He did point a gun at people and press the trigger. That doesn't make him a murderer. But it's also very reckless so that's why I'm asking if he could face any legal consequences. It's like running a stoplight and killing someone. You just meant to get somewhere faster, but someone died as a result. I'm not saying he should or shouldn't be charged, I'm asking if any attorneys think there may be legal issues for him down the road.

Wait. They weren't filming a scene? He was just randomly handling the gun with it pointing at other people? That's a completely different story. (DP)

I read that they were not shooting a scene. They were rehearsing and discussing a scene. He said something like "you mean like this" and pointed it at them and fired. That's just what I've read, obviously the cops have all the facts.

Thanks.

I can only say "wow." Any idiot knows you never point a gun at another person. If that is what he did then he deserves the consequences of a charge like negligent homicide or similar (if it was truly unintentional).

Yes, you do when the gun is a prop and you’re planning, setting up or rehearsing a scene. Thanks for letting us know you’ve never been on a film set.

NYT reporting Assistant Director handed Baldwin the gun — one of three prepared and waiting on a cart (because of COVID restrictions). Sheriff reporting AD said “cold gun” before handing it over, which may explain why Baldwin’s mind went immediately to “who gave me a hot gun?”