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Anonymous wrote:They’re still holding the lottery this year though. Even w kids back in school.


Anyone think they’ll raise the bar to 90% from the 85?

There is no evidence to support this.

They already posted dates for the CogAT testing.

Last year they only did the lottery when they were unable to administer the CogAT.

MCPS sent out a letter on 9/30:
https://connectdocs.blackboard.com/broadcasts/Docs/caf1a3dfb505ffed0d024130f58c5cfa/36ad00e6-f1e8-4cdf-87c1-d993c7f5ea4d.pdf?ticket=t_VvtAf85J&xythos-download=true

No CogAT this year. Lottery again. Cutoff not announced.

This link is broken but I did see their announcement a few days ago that listed the days on which CogAT would be administered to various grades. This seems to contradict the information that may have been at your broken link.

DP. The link worked fine for me.

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Anonymous wrote:They’re still holding the lottery this year though. Even w kids back in school.


Anyone think they’ll raise the bar to 90% from the 85?

There is no evidence to support this.

They already posted dates for the CogAT testing.

Last year they only did the lottery when they were unable to administer the CogAT.

MCPS sent out a letter on 9/30:
https://connectdocs.blackboard.com/broadcasts/Docs/caf1a3dfb505ffed0d024130f58c5cfa/36ad00e6-f1e8-4cdf-87c1-d993c7f5ea4d.pdf?ticket=t_VvtAf85J&xythos-download=true

No CogAT this year. Lottery again. Cutoff not announced.

This link is broken but I did see their announcement a few days ago that listed the days on which CogAT would be administered to various grades. This seems to contradict the information that may have been at your broken link.

DP. The link worked fine for me.

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Anonymous wrote:Back to OP's original question.
You betcha they did! The sneaky thing, I mean.
Are you surprised?
I am not.

20 pages later and I still don't know what "the sneaky thing" is.

OP seemed to think it was screening a bunch of kids, but we know screening has become almost universal. So that's not "the sneaky thing."

So....what is it?

It's complete BS. The OP is insinuating that they used this lottery to improve equity. Newsflash - the lower the bar on the lottery the closer the demographics will be to the county! This is obvious and not some underhanded plot to subert democrazy.

Of course it is a obvious method to do an Asian purge. Doesn't make it right.

Not really, they couldn't administer the CogAT so instead of just splitting hairs they did a lottery. This result was the overly represented groups in years past went down but Asians are still the most well represented group in the magnet as a percentage of the overall population. Further, selection was race blind so to claim it's an Asian purge seems melodramatic.

Yep, any lottery will yield results similar to the county's demographics. Guessing the result was pretty much just a reflection of the top 15% from which the selected students.

The people who think this is some conspiracy against them have serious issues. I get it you spent 123456$ at the prep center and are bummed you couldn't buy your child a seat at the magnet. I understand it effects your social standing within your community, but there was this pandemic going on. They had few choices. This was never about you so grow up.

Yet you cannot admit that the goal is to increase representation through lowering academic standards? So weird.

That's obviously false since it only happened because of a once in a lifetime pandemic and they were unable to administer the CogAT. They did the only sensible thing under the circumstances. THey held a lottery. I'm sorry if the county's demographics differed from those who attend expensive prep centers, but that hardly means there was some conspiracy. It just means that the demographics are different than the results we get when we use a system that is easily gamed by outside enrichment.

Lottery demeans everyone. But you obviously have no kids who are applying for magnets. Just a troll with some talking points. Go away.

Just the opposite. My child had perfect CogATs last time they took them. Had the highest map scores in their school and straight A's. They were passed over by the lottery too. I guess I understand that it's not about them or me but there's a greater context.

This. It's about equity. It's about getting as many black and brown kids into those programs as possible regardless of their ability.

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Anonymous wrote:Back to OP's original question.
You betcha they did! The sneaky thing, I mean.
Are you surprised?
I am not.

20 pages later and I still don't know what "the sneaky thing" is.

OP seemed to think it was screening a bunch of kids, but we know screening has become almost universal. So that's not "the sneaky thing."

So....what is it?

It's complete BS. The OP is insinuating that they used this lottery to improve equity. Newsflash - the lower the bar on the lottery the closer the demographics will be to the county! This is obvious and not some underhanded plot to subert democrazy.

Of course it is a obvious method to do an Asian purge. Doesn't make it right.

Not really, they couldn't administer the CogAT so instead of just splitting hairs they did a lottery. This result was the overly represented groups in years past went down but Asians are still the most well represented group in the magnet as a percentage of the overall population. Further, selection was race blind so to claim it's an Asian purge seems melodramatic.

Yep, any lottery will yield results similar to the county's demographics. Guessing the result was pretty much just a reflection of the top 15% from which the selected students.

The people who think this is some conspiracy against them have serious issues. I get it you spent 123456$ at the prep center and are bummed you couldn't buy your child a seat at the magnet. I understand it effects your social standing within your community, but there was this pandemic going on. They had few choices. This was never about you so grow up.

Yet you cannot admit that the goal is to increase representation through lowering academic standards? So weird.

That's obviously false since it only happened because of a once in a lifetime pandemic and they were unable to administer the CogAT. They did the only sensible thing under the circumstances. THey held a lottery. I'm sorry if the county's demographics differed from those who attend expensive prep centers, but that hardly means there was some conspiracy. It just means that the demographics are different than the results we get when we use a system that is easily gamed by outside enrichment.

Lottery demeans everyone. But you obviously have no kids who are applying for magnets. Just a troll with some talking points. Go away.

Just the opposite. My child had perfect CogATs last time they took them. Had the highest map scores in their school and straight A's. They were passed over by the lottery too. I guess I understand that it's not about them or me but there's a greater context.

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Anonymous wrote:They’re still holding the lottery this year though. Even w kids back in school.


Anyone think they’ll raise the bar to 90% from the 85?

There is no evidence to support this.

They already posted dates for the CogAT testing.

Last year they only did the lottery when they were unable to administer the CogAT.

MCPS sent out a letter on 9/30:
https://connectdocs.blackboard.com/broadcasts/Docs/caf1a3dfb505ffed0d024130f58c5cfa/36ad00e6-f1e8-4cdf-87c1-d993c7f5ea4d.pdf?ticket=t_VvtAf85J&xythos-download=true

No CogAT this year. Lottery again. Cutoff not announced.

This link is broken but I did see their announcement a few days ago that listed the days on which CogAT would be administered to various grades. This seems to contradict the information that may have been at your broken link.

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Anonymous wrote:Back to OP's original question.
You betcha they did! The sneaky thing, I mean.
Are you surprised?
I am not.

20 pages later and I still don't know what "the sneaky thing" is.

OP seemed to think it was screening a bunch of kids, but we know screening has become almost universal. So that's not "the sneaky thing."

So....what is it?

It's complete BS. The OP is insinuating that they used this lottery to improve equity. Newsflash - the lower the bar on the lottery the closer the demographics will be to the county! This is obvious and not some underhanded plot to subert democrazy.

Of course it is a obvious method to do an Asian purge. Doesn't make it right.

Not really, they couldn't administer the CogAT so instead of just splitting hairs they did a lottery. This result was the overly represented groups in years past went down but Asians are still the most well represented group in the magnet as a percentage of the overall population. Further, selection was race blind so to claim it's an Asian purge seems melodramatic.

Yep, any lottery will yield results similar to the county's demographics. Guessing the result was pretty much just a reflection of the top 15% from which the selected students.

The people who think this is some conspiracy against them have serious issues. I get it you spent 123456$ at the prep center and are bummed you couldn't buy your child a seat at the magnet. I understand it effects your social standing within your community, but there was this pandemic going on. They had few choices. This was never about you so grow up.

Yet you cannot admit that the goal is to increase representation through lowering academic standards? So weird.

That's obviously false since it only happened because of a once in a lifetime pandemic and they were unable to administer the CogAT. They did the only sensible thing under the circumstances. THey held a lottery. I'm sorry if the county's demographics differed from those who attend expensive prep centers, but that hardly means there was some conspiracy. It just means that the demographics are different than the results we get when we use a system that is easily gamed by outside enrichment.

Lottery demeans everyone. But you obviously have no kids who are applying for magnets. Just a troll with some talking points. Go away.

Just the opposite. My child had perfect CogATs last time they took them. Had the highest map scores in their school and straight A's. They were passed over by the lottery too. I guess I understand that it's not about them or me but there's a greater context.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They’re still holding the lottery this year though. Even w kids back in school.


Anyone think they’ll raise the bar to 90% from the 85?

There is no evidence to support this.

They already posted dates for the CogAT testing.

Last year they only did the lottery when they were unable to administer the CogAT.

MCPS sent out a letter on 9/30:
https://connectdocs.blackboard.com/broadcasts/Docs/caf1a3dfb505ffed0d024130f58c5cfa/36ad00e6-f1e8-4cdf-87c1-d993c7f5ea4d.pdf?ticket=t_VvtAf85J&xythos-download=true

No CogAT this year. Lottery again. Cutoff not announced.

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Anonymous wrote:Back to OP's original question.
You betcha they did! The sneaky thing, I mean.
Are you surprised?
I am not.

20 pages later and I still don't know what "the sneaky thing" is.

OP seemed to think it was screening a bunch of kids, but we know screening has become almost universal. So that's not "the sneaky thing."

So....what is it?

It's complete BS. The OP is insinuating that they used this lottery to improve equity. Newsflash - the lower the bar on the lottery the closer the demographics will be to the county! This is obvious and not some underhanded plot to subert democrazy.

Of course it is a obvious method to do an Asian purge. Doesn't make it right.

Not really, they couldn't administer the CogAT so instead of just splitting hairs they did a lottery. This result was the overly represented groups in years past went down but Asians are still the most well represented group in the magnet as a percentage of the overall population. Further, selection was race blind so to claim it's an Asian purge seems melodramatic.

Yep, any lottery will yield results similar to the county's demographics. Guessing the result was pretty much just a reflection of the top 15% from which the selected students.

The people who think this is some conspiracy against them have serious issues. I get it you spent 123456$ at the prep center and are bummed you couldn't buy your child a seat at the magnet. I understand it effects your social standing within your community, but there was this pandemic going on. They had few choices. This was never about you so grow up.

Yet you cannot admit that the goal is to increase representation through lowering academic standards? So weird.

That's obviously false since it only happened because of a once in a lifetime pandemic and they were unable to administer the CogAT. They did the only sensible thing under the circumstances. THey held a lottery. I'm sorry if the county's demographics differed from those who attend expensive prep centers, but that hardly means there was some conspiracy. It just means that the demographics are different than the results we get when we use a system that is easily gamed by outside enrichment.

Lottery demeans everyone. But you obviously have no kids who are applying for magnets. Just a troll with some talking points. Go away.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Back to OP's original question.
You betcha they did! The sneaky thing, I mean.
Are you surprised?
I am not.

20 pages later and I still don't know what "the sneaky thing" is.

OP seemed to think it was screening a bunch of kids, but we know screening has become almost universal. So that's not "the sneaky thing."

So....what is it?

It's complete BS. The OP is insinuating that they used this lottery to improve equity. Newsflash - the lower the bar on the lottery the closer the demographics will be to the county! This is obvious and not some underhanded plot to subert democrazy.

Of course it is a obvious method to do an Asian purge. Doesn't make it right.

Not really, they couldn't administer the CogAT so instead of just splitting hairs they did a lottery. This result was the overly represented groups in years past went down but Asians are still the most well represented group in the magnet as a percentage of the overall population. Further, selection was race blind so to claim it's an Asian purge seems melodramatic.

Yep, any lottery will yield results similar to the county's demographics. Guessing the result was pretty much just a reflection of the top 15% from which the selected students.

The people who think this is some conspiracy against them have serious issues. I get it you spent 123456$ at the prep center and are bummed you couldn't buy your child a seat at the magnet. I understand it effects your social standing within your community, but there was this pandemic going on. They had few choices. This was never about you so grow up.

Yet you cannot admit that the goal is to increase representation through lowering academic standards? So weird.

That's obviously false since it only happened because of a once in a lifetime pandemic and they were unable to administer the CogAT. They did the only sensible thing under the circumstances. THey held a lottery. I'm sorry if the county's demographics differed from those who attend expensive prep centers, but that hardly means there was some conspiracy. It just means that the demographics are different than the results we get when we use a system that is easily gamed by outside enrichment.

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Anonymous wrote:They’re still holding the lottery this year though. Even w kids back in school.


Anyone think they’ll raise the bar to 90% from the 85?

There is no evidence to support this.

They already posted dates for the CogAT testing.

Last year they only did the lottery when they were unable to administer the CogAT.

Anonymous wrote:They’re still holding the lottery this year though. Even w kids back in school.


Anyone think they’ll raise the bar to 90% from the 85?

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:Back to OP's original question.
You betcha they did! The sneaky thing, I mean.
Are you surprised?
I am not.

20 pages later and I still don't know what "the sneaky thing" is.

OP seemed to think it was screening a bunch of kids, but we know screening has become almost universal. So that's not "the sneaky thing."

So....what is it?

It's complete BS. The OP is insinuating that they used this lottery to improve equity. Newsflash - the lower the bar on the lottery the closer the demographics will be to the county! This is obvious and not some underhanded plot to subert democrazy.

Of course it is a obvious method to do an Asian purge. Doesn't make it right.

Not really, they couldn't administer the CogAT so instead of just splitting hairs they did a lottery. This result was the overly represented groups in years past went down but Asians are still the most well represented group in the magnet as a percentage of the overall population. Further, selection was race blind so to claim it's an Asian purge seems melodramatic.

Yep, any lottery will yield results similar to the county's demographics. Guessing the result was pretty much just a reflection of the top 15% from which the selected students.

The people who think this is some conspiracy against them have serious issues. I get it you spent 123456$ at the prep center and are bummed you couldn't buy your child a seat at the magnet. I understand it effects your social standing within your community, but there was this pandemic going on. They had few choices. This was never about you so grow up.

Yet you cannot admit that the goal is to increase representation through lowering academic standards? So weird.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Back to OP's original question.
You betcha they did! The sneaky thing, I mean.
Are you surprised?
I am not.

20 pages later and I still don't know what "the sneaky thing" is.

OP seemed to think it was screening a bunch of kids, but we know screening has become almost universal. So that's not "the sneaky thing."

So....what is it?

It's complete BS. The OP is insinuating that they used this lottery to improve equity. Newsflash - the lower the bar on the lottery the closer the demographics will be to the county! This is obvious and not some underhanded plot to subert democrazy.

Of course it is a obvious method to do an Asian purge. Doesn't make it right.

Not really, they couldn't administer the CogAT so instead of just splitting hairs they did a lottery. This result was the overly represented groups in years past went down but Asians are still the most well represented group in the magnet as a percentage of the overall population. Further, selection was race blind so to claim it's an Asian purge seems melodramatic.

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It is not melodrama. It is math. How do you get the demographics you want and reduce Asians without having having a transparent race quota? Lower the bar for scores. Get more students in the lottery pool. Logic being that with a lower bar you can get more non-Asian kids. And now with a broader pool do a lottery. Sprinkle in some other factors just in case so that you can put your finger on the scale in case the lower bar doesn't work. Voila! You have your desired reduction/purge of Asian kids with a sneaky defacto quota incorporated. Why is the process so difficult to understand?

Now of course second order effects are 1. Lottery means unpredictability and so parents won't really consider the magnets as something you can count on. So some families will move to better school districts. 2. The quality of the magnet class goes down and so it is not something people will aspire for and that's a downward spiral. Essentially in a few years the magnets will be just above average programs in large schools which benefited from having the magnets. 3. Basic problems with MCPS schools with groups that have been lagging will be glossed over by showing a few kids in magnet programs. Overall, loss loss for the entire community. A few progressive activities who have no kids or no kids eligible for Montgomery county magnets will declare victory and move on to dismantle some other place - road to hell was paved with good intentions.

It is such an obvious approach. Unfortunately a loss for the community and MCPS. Don't worry about the Asians. They will do fine.

Doesn't mean there won't be a legal challenge against the principle given the transparent objectives and the resultant dramatic reduction in Asian percentages. Sometimes it is just not enough to put your head down and work - as the Asian community has done. The blatant racism from the so called progressives is just too much.