Anonymous wrote:It’s crimes all the way down!

Shouldn’t his lawyers ask to be excused at this point? Don’t they have conflicts now because it appears they also engaged in obstruction? Is there anyone around him who doesn’t have criminal exposure at this point??

Wow is all I can say.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s crimes all the way down!

Shouldn’t his lawyers ask to be excused at this point? Don’t they have conflicts now because it appears they also engaged in obstruction? Is there anyone around him who doesn’t have criminal exposure at this point??

Wow is all I can say.

I think DOJ had an obligation before filing that brief last night to inform Trump's lawyers that they're in legal jeopardy or at the very least, material witnesses. That's why the new guy - who appears to be a good lawyer - was announced yesterday.

I’m sorry, but what? DOJ doesn’t have a team flying around the country informing people under investigation that they’re under investigation and to stop criming. Lying to the FBI in a sworn statement is a problem and you don’t need to be a lawyer for a former president to understand that.

I wouldn't be surprised if someone at DOJ picked up the phone and gave Jim Trusty, who worked at DOJ for decades, a call. Trusty wasn't representing Trump when this all went down, and based on what he said during this TV appearance, he seems a little misinformed. "Hey, Jim, just a heads up, your guy is going need some lawyers. Soon. Try to find someone good, appellate experience would be helpful, because the facts are not on your side."

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Anonymous wrote:Link to attachments https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.flsd.618763/gov.uscourts.flsd.618763.48.1_1.pdf

including this gem

Trump was ordered to appear in front of a grand jury (Attachment C)? That’s new.

That's the subpoena for documents that was served in May. There's a footnote where DOJ got permission from CJ Howell to disclose Grand Jury information.

Trump is screwed. They found classified documents in his office desk

the government seized the contents of a desk drawer that contained
classified documents and governmental records commingled with other documents. The
other documents included two official passports, one of which was expired, and one personal
passport, which was expired. The location of the passports is relevant evidence in an
investigation of unauthorized retention and mishandling of national defense information;
nonetheless, the government decided to return those passports in its discretion.

Also

Although Plaintiff does not specify what material he contends was
seized in excess of the search warrant, certain personal effects were commingled with
classified material in the Seized Evidence, and they remain in the custody of the United States
because of their evidentiary value. Personal effects without evidentiary value wi

ll be returned

I think we are about to see the indictment and prosecution of a former President and imminent Presidential candidate. DOJ has Trump dead to rights and should proceed, regardless of Trump's totally predictable move to declare his candidacy to try and stop the investigation.

This might really do him in with the GOP.

They already started to formally distance themselves from Trump. The problem for the Dems is that it paves the way for DiSantis, who is every bit of a narcissist and fascist.

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Anonymous wrote:So how does this play out when they indict him? And if he is eventually convicted? House arrest? Exile? Can we deport him to stand trial at The Hague for other stuff he might be tried for?

He will eventually take a plea and pay a fine. No jail time.

Anonymous wrote:So how does this play out when they indict him? And if he is eventually convicted? House arrest? Exile? Can we deport him to stand trial at The Hague for other stuff he might be tried for?

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Anonymous wrote:How are lawyers at fault if the client is lying to them?
- question from music major

So in this case—if Trump snuck down and took some documents and put them in his desk before letting his lawyers search the boxes…. It looks really bad for them, when they certify that there was no classified documents left on the premises. Or if he put some BACK in the boxes after they searched them. Remember, the lawyers also didn’t let investigators look in the boxes. Makes them look reallllllly guilty.

But they could have also just lied without being made to look like liars. Either way, now they’re under federal investigation.

What makes it look even worse is the Corcoran reportedly drafted it and had Bobb sign it.

In June, Corcoran and Trump’s OAN attorney Christina Bobb “together provided the Justice Department with a written assurance about Trump having returned classified materials,” according to the Post, although the New York Times says Corcoran drafted it and had the much younger Bobb sign it.

https://abovethelaw.com/2022/08/weird-how-all-trumps-old-lawyers-are-washing-their-hair-this-week/

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Anonymous wrote:How are lawyers at fault if the client is lying to them?
- question from music major

So in this case—if Trump snuck down and took some documents and put them in his desk before letting his lawyers search the boxes…. It looks really bad for them, when they certify that there was no classified documents left on the premises. Or if he put some BACK in the boxes after they searched them. Remember, the lawyers also didn’t let investigators look in the boxes. Makes them look reallllllly guilty.

But they could have also just lied without being made to look like liars. Either way, now they’re under federal investigation.

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Anonymous wrote:So how does this play out when they indict him? And if he is eventually convicted? House arrest? Exile? Can we deport him to stand trial at The Hague for other stuff he might be tried for?

Jury nullification is concern. All that’s needed is a single holdout. Fox and other right wing media will vilify a DC jury that might hear the case (it also could be brought to trial in Florida). And doxxing jury members is a real concern. But we are all a long way from all of this. We will have to wait and see if DOJ can flip anyone like Bobb or Corcoran and get to plea negotiations with Trump. Remember that the grand jury has been hearing testimony from WH Counsel Philbin and other senior staff. This could be the top of a bigger counterintelligence iceberg.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s crimes all the way down!

Shouldn’t his lawyers ask to be excused at this point? Don’t they have conflicts now because it appears they also engaged in obstruction? Is there anyone around him who doesn’t have criminal exposure at this point??

Wow is all I can say.

I think DOJ had an obligation before filing that brief last night to inform Trump's lawyers that they're in legal jeopardy or at the very least, material witnesses. That's why the new guy - who appears to be a good lawyer - was announced yesterday.

I’m sorry, but what? DOJ doesn’t have a team flying around the country informing people under investigation that they’re under investigation and to stop criming. Lying to the FBI in a sworn statement is a problem and you don’t need to be a lawyer for a former president to understand that.

Anonymous wrote:So how does this play out when they indict him? And if he is eventually convicted? House arrest? Exile? Can we deport him to stand trial at The Hague for other stuff he might be tried for?

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Finally!

Daylight between Trump and the RNC, and the most important kind: separate finances.

That won’t last.
They will cave as long as Trump can hold the base.

Maybe he can’t hold the base without their help.

When has that ever been the case?

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Finally!

Daylight between Trump and the RNC, and the most important kind: separate finances.

That won’t last.
They will cave as long as Trump can hold the base.

Maybe he can’t hold the base without their help.

When has that ever been the case?

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Finally!

Daylight between Trump and the RNC, and the most important kind: separate finances.

That won’t last.
They will cave as long as Trump can hold the base.

We’ll see. This could be a sign they Trump could have significant criminal culpability here and they don’t want to risk entangling themselves with it and bring more scrutiny on their own involvement.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s crimes all the way down!

Shouldn’t his lawyers ask to be excused at this point? Don’t they have conflicts now because it appears they also engaged in obstruction? Is there anyone around him who doesn’t have criminal exposure at this point??

Wow is all I can say.

I think DOJ had an obligation before filing that brief last night to inform Trump's lawyers that they're in legal jeopardy or at the very least, material witnesses. That's why the new guy - who appears to be a good lawyer - was announced yesterday.