Anonymous
Post 05/06/2015 07:51     Subject: Re:PARCC monitoring student's social media, wants schools to "punish" them
Anonymous wrote:

Meanwhile that still does not solve the problem you have with being in the same boat with the nutty folks who oppose Common Core because they think it's going to turn their kids into gay Muslims.


So, I present valid complaints about Common Core, but you return to politics.

Sorry, I am basing my opinions on education, training, and experience. I am not going to change my principles just because you think it is about politics.

You put yourself in the same boat with the "nutty people" when you support Common Core because of your politics. It is clear now that is why you support it.






What I keep finding is that the list that you present as "valid complaints" seems to pop up, verbatim, in many other places, like the articles by Valerie Strauss and elsewhere. Seems pretty evident to me that they are talking points that have been disseminated in an organized way, as opposed to being your own independent judgement based on "education, training and experience" - that notion is all the more confirmed by the fact that some of them have repeatedly been shown to be wrong (i.e. comparison of Common Core vs. prior SOLs) and you have not been able to further articulate them or successfully defend them when others have challenged them.
Anonymous
Post 05/06/2015 07:48     Subject: Re:PARCC monitoring student's social media, wants schools to "punish" them
Anonymous wrote:
It is a fact that politics is a major component of opposition to the Common Core standards. It may not be why you, personally, oppose the Common Core standards. But there are many opponents of the Common Core standards who are not you. And many of these opponents oppose the Common Core standards because of politics.


I notice that you are returning to politics instead of replying to my issue: There were not any Early Childhood teachers on the committee and the standards reflect that.
That is not a political issue.


There have already been 3,286 (I'm estimating) go-arounds on this topic on DCUM. I don't think that we need a 3,287th.
Anonymous
Post 05/06/2015 07:46     Subject: Re:PARCC monitoring student's social media, wants schools to "punish" them
It is a fact that politics is a major component of opposition to the Common Core standards. It may not be why you, personally, oppose the Common Core standards. But there are many opponents of the Common Core standards who are not you. And many of these opponents oppose the Common Core standards because of politics.


I notice that you are returning to politics instead of replying to my issue: There were not any Early Childhood teachers on the committee and the standards reflect that.
That is not a political issue.
Anonymous
Post 05/06/2015 06:53     Subject: Re:PARCC monitoring student's social media, wants schools to "punish" them
Anonymous wrote:

Meanwhile that still does not solve the problem you have with being in the same boat with the nutty folks who oppose Common Core because they think it's going to turn their kids into gay Muslims.


So, I present valid complaints about Common Core, but you return to politics.

Sorry, I am basing my opinions on education, training, and experience. I am not going to change my principles just because you think it is about politics.

You put yourself in the same boat with the "nutty people" when you support Common Core because of your politics. It is clear now that is why you support it.


Nobody in any of the many, many posts on any of the multiple threads about the Common Core standards on DCUM has said anything like, "I support the Common Core standards because Ted Cruz opposes them." Nobody.

It is a fact that politics is a major component of opposition to the Common Core standards. It may not be why you, personally, oppose the Common Core standards. But there are many opponents of the Common Core standards who are not you. And many of these opponents oppose the Common Core standards because of politics.
Anonymous
Post 05/05/2015 23:35     Subject: Re:PARCC monitoring student's social media, wants schools to "punish" them
Anonymous wrote:

Meanwhile that still does not solve the problem you have with being in the same boat with the nutty folks who oppose Common Core because they think it's going to turn their kids into gay Muslims.


So, I present valid complaints about Common Core, but you return to politics.

Sorry, I am basing my opinions on education, training, and experience. I am not going to change my principles just because you think it is about politics.

You put yourself in the same boat with the "nutty people" when you support Common Core because of your politics. It is clear now that is why you support it.






LOL! Sorry, no equivalency there - I have yet to see any Common Core supporters running around saying kids will become gay muslims if Common Core goes away.
Anonymous
Post 05/05/2015 21:09     Subject: Re:PARCC monitoring student's social media, wants schools to "punish" them

Meanwhile that still does not solve the problem you have with being in the same boat with the nutty folks who oppose Common Core because they think it's going to turn their kids into gay Muslims.


So, I present valid complaints about Common Core, but you return to politics.

Sorry, I am basing my opinions on education, training, and experience. I am not going to change my principles just because you think it is about politics.

You put yourself in the same boat with the "nutty people" when you support Common Core because of your politics. It is clear now that is why you support it.




Anonymous
Post 05/05/2015 21:09     Subject: Re:PARCC monitoring student's social media, wants schools to "punish" them

Meanwhile that still does not solve the problem you have with being in the same boat with the nutty folks who oppose Common Core because they think it's going to turn their kids into gay Muslims.


So, I present valid complaints about Common Core, but you return to politics.

Sorry, I am basing my opinions on education, training, and experience. I am not going to change my principles just because you think it is about politics.

You put yourself in the same boat with the "nutty people" when you support Common Core because of your politics. It is clear now that is why you support it.




Anonymous
Post 05/05/2015 21:02     Subject: Re:PARCC monitoring student's social media, wants schools to "punish" them
Anonymous wrote:There are many reasons to oppose Common core. If you support it --just because people you disagree with politically oppose it--that is not a very good reason.

I oppose it because a number of the standards in Kindergarten and first. Ii find it disturbing that there were no early childhood teachers on the committee and I question the process. CC is doubling down on pushing too many academics in K. That is not political.

It seems to me that some people support CC simply because Tea Party members are against it. There have been plenty of comments on this thread against CC that have nothing to do with politics. Any time those comments come up, the pro CC poster returns to politics. If you will notice, there were a couple of standards posted recently that were pretty vague and ambiguous. So, we go back to politics.



The reasons you cite are all talking points which have been addressed a hundred times over in these threads, but which are nonetheless being pushed for a variety of reasons, some of which are just to give cover for the politics. I have to wonder about your own motivations for still clinging to those talking points even as weak, frail and purely opinion based as they are, for example "vague and ambiguous" given the rest of us understood them just fine.

Meanwhile that still does not solve the problem you have with being in the same boat with the nutty folks who oppose Common Core because they think it's going to turn their kids into gay Muslims.
Anonymous
Post 05/05/2015 21:01     Subject: Re:PARCC monitoring student's social media, wants schools to "punish" them
http://www.forbes.com/sites/alicegwalton/2014/10/23/the-science-of-the-common-core-experts-weigh-in-on-its-developmental-appropriateness/

Pretty level article. Does explain the complaints about the K standards.
Anonymous
Post 05/05/2015 20:47     Subject: Re:PARCC monitoring student's social media, wants schools to "punish" them
There are many reasons to oppose Common core. If you support it --just because people you disagree with politically oppose it--that is not a very good reason.

I oppose it because a number of the standards in Kindergarten and first. Ii find it disturbing that there were no early childhood teachers on the committee and I question the process. CC is doubling down on pushing too many academics in K. That is not political.

It seems to me that some people support CC simply because Tea Party members are against it. There have been plenty of comments on this thread against CC that have nothing to do with politics. Any time those comments come up, the pro CC poster returns to politics. If you will notice, there were a couple of standards posted recently that were pretty vague and ambiguous. So, we go back to politics.

Anonymous
Post 05/05/2015 20:29     Subject: PARCC monitoring student's social media, wants schools to "punish" them
COMMON CORE IS ABOUT THE ISLAMIC INFILTRATION OF AMERICA!

http://mediamatters.org/blog/2015/04/09/washington-times-column-claims-common-core-is-i/203228
Anonymous
Post 05/05/2015 20:28     Subject: PARCC monitoring student's social media, wants schools to "punish" them
This sums some of it up... odd bedfellows consisting of Tea Party nuts plus union activists who really just care about the measures as opposed to actually caring about education, and the gullible who got caught up in the midst of it all.

http://www.theatlantic.com/education/archive/2015/02/suburbia-and-its-common-core-conspiracy-theories/385424/
Anonymous
Post 05/05/2015 20:24     Subject: Re:PARCC monitoring student's social media, wants schools to "punish" them
Anonymous wrote:
Whether one wants to admit it's politically motivated or not, it's evident that the anti-CCers aren't out there calling out all of the disinformation that definitely is politically motivated that's coming from within their own ranks regardless of "what aisle." That ends up hurting anti-CC credibility.


Please translate into plain English. What does this sentence even mean?


You obviously haven't been paying attention. The common core opponents have distinctly politically motivated people in their midst who are anti-Common Core for all the wrong reasons ("It's a socialist gubmint takeover of education" et cetera) and they are a huge liability to you.

I suggest you learn the playing field before signing on.
Anonymous
Post 05/05/2015 17:32     Subject: Re:PARCC monitoring student's social media, wants schools to "punish" them

Isn't that trawling?


No. Were you raised in the US--it's a pretty common term.




Anonymous
Post 05/05/2015 17:30     Subject: Re:PARCC monitoring student's social media, wants schools to "punish" them

Please translate into plain English. What does this sentence even mean?


It means she cannot defend CC, so she is blaming it on politics. Politics is her only defense.