I love how MAGA-folks never own their actions. Losers!

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OMG, enough already.

The 1/6 events were planned, coordinated and funded.

The FBI didn't spur it.

Okay, okay. If you think we should it put it to bed, let's do that.

There’s no evidence to the contrary except for what comes out of Tucker Carlson’s freakishly small mouth.

How quickly the conversation went from "the FBI doesn't do that, duh" to "there's no evidence it happened." Next it will be "so what if they did, it was warranted."

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OMG, enough already.

The 1/6 events were planned, coordinated and funded.

The FBI didn't spur it.

Okay, okay. If you think we should it put it to bed, let's do that.

There’s no evidence to the contrary except for what comes out of Tucker Carlson’s freakishly small mouth.

Anonymous wrote:OMG, enough already.

The 1/6 events were planned, coordinated and funded.

The FBI didn't spur it.

Okay, okay. If you think we should it put it to bed, let's do that.

OMG, enough already.

The 1/6 events were planned, coordinated and funded.

The FBI didn't spur it.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You all know that the FBI does infiltrate terrorist operations, right? There were a few in the recent plot to kidnap Gov Whitmer. They pretend they're one of them and encourage criminal activity. We don't know that the FBI did that on Jan 6 but they've been warning up that white supremacists are the biggest threat we face as a nation for a couple of years now. It would be a dereliction of duty if they weren't present with all the warning signs they had in advance.

Precisely the issue.

Nope. The “unindicted co-conspirator“ in the Thomas Caldwell indictment is his own wife. It’s not antifa, it’s not BLM, and it’s not the FBI.
https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_60cbd794e4b0c101b70b2f74

And the FBI doesn't just infiltrate random groups and "encourage criminal activity." They infiltrate groups that are already engaged in criminal activity.

Oh, for sure. And they encourage the activity and take an active role in it.

That's incorrect. They identify EXISTING criminal behavior and EXISTING intent to commit crime and only get close enough to it to get evidence to convict those involved.

I wish I were as naive as you. We KNOW that they often encourage, incite and even pay money for criminal behavior.

https://www.hrw.org/news/2014/07/21/us-terrorism-prosecutions-often-illusion#

“But take a closer look and you realize that many of these people would never have committed a crime if not for law enforcement encouraging, pressuring, and sometimes paying them to commit terrorist acts.”

"The FBI often targeted particularly vulnerable people, including those with intellectual and mental disabilities and the indigent. The government, often acting through informants, then actively developed the plot, persuading and sometimes pressuring the targets to participate, and provided the resources to carry it out."

Here's a story of what happened with the plot to kidnap Gov Whitmer last year:

https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/local/michigan/2021/03/05/confidential-informant-expected-testify-whitmer-plot-hearings-resume-friday/4590870001/

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You all know that the FBI does infiltrate terrorist operations, right? There were a few in the recent plot to kidnap Gov Whitmer. They pretend they're one of them and encourage criminal activity. We don't know that the FBI did that on Jan 6 but they've been warning up that white supremacists are the biggest threat we face as a nation for a couple of years now. It would be a dereliction of duty if they weren't present with all the warning signs they had in advance.

Precisely the issue.

Nope. The “unindicted co-conspirator“ in the Thomas Caldwell indictment is his own wife. It’s not antifa, it’s not BLM, and it’s not the FBI.
https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_60cbd794e4b0c101b70b2f74

And the FBI doesn't just infiltrate random groups and "encourage criminal activity." They infiltrate groups that are already engaged in criminal activity.

Oh, for sure. And they encourage the activity and take an active role in it.

That's incorrect. They identify EXISTING criminal behavior and EXISTING intent to commit crime and only get close enough to it to get evidence to convict those involved.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You all know that the FBI does infiltrate terrorist operations, right? There were a few in the recent plot to kidnap Gov Whitmer. They pretend they're one of them and encourage criminal activity. We don't know that the FBI did that on Jan 6 but they've been warning up that white supremacists are the biggest threat we face as a nation for a couple of years now. It would be a dereliction of duty if they weren't present with all the warning signs they had in advance.

Precisely the issue.

Nope. The “unindicted co-conspirator“ in the Thomas Caldwell indictment is his own wife. It’s not antifa, it’s not BLM, and it’s not the FBI.
https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_60cbd794e4b0c101b70b2f74

And the FBI doesn't just infiltrate random groups and "encourage criminal activity." They infiltrate groups that are already engaged in criminal activity.

Oh, for sure. And they encourage the activity and take an active role in it.

The issue is that if they were indeed there, it’s a problem because the violence still happened. Infiltrating the group is fine. Finding out violence is being planned should be reported.

Perhaps you've forgotten that there were FBI reports to the US Capitol Police that there would be violence on the 6th and that those reports were ignored?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You all know that the FBI does infiltrate terrorist operations, right? There were a few in the recent plot to kidnap Gov Whitmer. They pretend they're one of them and encourage criminal activity. We don't know that the FBI did that on Jan 6 but they've been warning up that white supremacists are the biggest threat we face as a nation for a couple of years now. It would be a dereliction of duty if they weren't present with all the warning signs they had in advance.

Precisely the issue.

Nope. The “unindicted co-conspirator“ in the Thomas Caldwell indictment is his own wife. It’s not antifa, it’s not BLM, and it’s not the FBI.
https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_60cbd794e4b0c101b70b2f74

And the FBI doesn't just infiltrate random groups and "encourage criminal activity." They infiltrate groups that are already engaged in criminal activity.

Oh, for sure. And they encourage the activity and take an active role in it.

The issue is that if they were indeed there, it’s a problem because the violence still happened. Infiltrating the group is fine. Finding out violence is being planned should be reported.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You all know that the FBI does infiltrate terrorist operations, right? There were a few in the recent plot to kidnap Gov Whitmer. They pretend they're one of them and encourage criminal activity. We don't know that the FBI did that on Jan 6 but they've been warning up that white supremacists are the biggest threat we face as a nation for a couple of years now. It would be a dereliction of duty if they weren't present with all the warning signs they had in advance.

Precisely the issue.

Nope. The “unindicted co-conspirator“ in the Thomas Caldwell indictment is his own wife. It’s not antifa, it’s not BLM, and it’s not the FBI.
https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_60cbd794e4b0c101b70b2f74

And the FBI doesn't just infiltrate random groups and "encourage criminal activity." They infiltrate groups that are already engaged in criminal activity.

Oh, for sure. And they encourage the activity and take an active role in it.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You all know that the FBI does infiltrate terrorist operations, right? There were a few in the recent plot to kidnap Gov Whitmer. They pretend they're one of them and encourage criminal activity. We don't know that the FBI did that on Jan 6 but they've been warning up that white supremacists are the biggest threat we face as a nation for a couple of years now. It would be a dereliction of duty if they weren't present with all the warning signs they had in advance.

Precisely the issue.

Nope. The “unindicted co-conspirator“ in the Thomas Caldwell indictment is his own wife. It’s not antifa, it’s not BLM, and it’s not the FBI.
https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_60cbd794e4b0c101b70b2f74

And the FBI doesn't just infiltrate random groups and "encourage criminal activity." They infiltrate groups that are already engaged in criminal activity.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You all know that the FBI does infiltrate terrorist operations, right? There were a few in the recent plot to kidnap Gov Whitmer. They pretend they're one of them and encourage criminal activity. We don't know that the FBI did that on Jan 6 but they've been warning up that white supremacists are the biggest threat we face as a nation for a couple of years now. It would be a dereliction of duty if they weren't present with all the warning signs they had in advance.

Precisely the issue.

Nope. The “unindicted co-conspirator“ in the Thomas Caldwell indictment is his own wife. It’s not antifa, it’s not BLM, and it’s not the FBI.
https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_60cbd794e4b0c101b70b2f74

I'm not talking about some specific case. I'm saying this is standard FBI behavior. And to the pp who said "there's no evidence the FBI was a part of things," why would there be? Wray refused to answer when asked that question. No one would have reason to use well known FBI tactics to infer their likely role here if there were evidence. They don't usually broadcast it, and in this particular situation? Hell no, they wouldn't be broadcasting it. And no one's saying it was even wrong. But to deny it as if it's blasphemy or a conspiracy theory is putting one's ignorance on display.

Hot tip: if there is no evidence for something, it’s a conspiracy theory.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You all know that the FBI does infiltrate terrorist operations, right? There were a few in the recent plot to kidnap Gov Whitmer. They pretend they're one of them and encourage criminal activity. We don't know that the FBI did that on Jan 6 but they've been warning up that white supremacists are the biggest threat we face as a nation for a couple of years now. It would be a dereliction of duty if they weren't present with all the warning signs they had in advance.

Precisely the issue.

Nope. The “unindicted co-conspirator“ in the Thomas Caldwell indictment is his own wife. It’s not antifa, it’s not BLM, and it’s not the FBI.
https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_60cbd794e4b0c101b70b2f74

I'm not talking about some specific case. I'm saying this is standard FBI behavior. And to the pp who said "there's no evidence the FBI was a part of things," why would there be? Wray refused to answer when asked that question. No one would have reason to use well known FBI tactics to infer their likely role here if there were evidence. They don't usually broadcast it, and in this particular situation? Hell no, they wouldn't be broadcasting it. And no one's saying it was even wrong. But to deny it as if it's blasphemy or a conspiracy theory is putting one's ignorance on display.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You all know that the FBI does infiltrate terrorist operations, right? There were a few in the recent plot to kidnap Gov Whitmer. They pretend they're one of them and encourage criminal activity. We don't know that the FBI did that on Jan 6 but they've been warning up that white supremacists are the biggest threat we face as a nation for a couple of years now. It would be a dereliction of duty if they weren't present with all the warning signs they had in advance.

Precisely the issue.

Nope. The “unindicted co-conspirator“ in the Thomas Caldwell indictment is his own wife. It’s not antifa, it’s not BLM, and it’s not the FBI.
https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_60cbd794e4b0c101b70b2f74

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Sigh, before it was Antifa dressed like Trump supporters, now it’s the FBI?

What’s being referred to here is un-indicted co conspirators, meaning some people were arrested and are still being held, while others fighting right beside them were not. Wray was asked about FBI involvement and wouldn’t give a definitive answer. The problem would be is if they were imbedded, they did not report the potential for violence.

Just because you are an unindicted co-conspirator doesn’t mean you are an undercover FBI operative. You might recall that “Individual One“ in the Michael Cohen indictment was not an undercover FBI operative.