Anonymous
Post 05/04/2015 20:55     Subject: Re:PARCC monitoring student's social media, wants schools to "punish" them
Anonymous wrote:
There is not a single problem with education. There are multiple problems, both separate and interconnected. One of these problems, in some places, is low standards. Is it the biggest problem? I don't think so. But there is a complete unwillingness to address the problems that I consider the biggest problems. So people take what they can get.



And they had low standards because that was the best they could do. Will suddenly having higher standards make them do better? Not if everything else stays the same.



I don't think that's necessarily true. Anecdotally, I am familiar with cases where people thought their kids' schools were doing great, whereas actually their kids were a year or more behind kids in schools with higher standards. In addition, at least for math, it's not that the standards are higher, it's that to achieve the standards, the math curriculum has to be better. On the whole, math teaching in the US has not been good.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/27/magazine/why-do-americans-stink-at-math.html
Anonymous
Post 05/04/2015 20:52     Subject: Re:PARCC monitoring student's social media, wants schools to "punish" them
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
There is not a single problem with education. There are multiple problems, both separate and interconnected. One of these problems, in some places, is low standards. Is it the biggest problem? I don't think so. But there is a complete unwillingness to address the problems that I consider the biggest problems. So people take what they can get.

This would be acceptable if you were getting something for your money, but you're not.

I disagree. I am getting something for my money. Plus the programs that I would want would actually cost a whole lot more money.


What are you getting that is of benefit?


A curriculum for my kids that is better than the curriculum they previously had, and that is actually also probably better than the curriculum I had when I was in school.
Anonymous
Post 05/04/2015 20:49     Subject: Re:PARCC monitoring student's social media, wants schools to "punish" them
Anonymous wrote:
There is not a single problem with education. There are multiple problems, both separate and interconnected. One of these problems, in some places, is low standards. Is it the biggest problem? I don't think so. But there is a complete unwillingness to address the problems that I consider the biggest problems. So people take what they can get.


This would be acceptable if you were getting something for your money, but you're not.


I disagree. I am getting something for my money. Plus the programs that I would want would actually cost a whole lot more money.



What are you getting that is of benefit?
Anonymous
Post 05/04/2015 20:47     Subject: Re:PARCC monitoring student's social media, wants schools to "punish" them
There is not a single problem with education. There are multiple problems, both separate and interconnected. One of these problems, in some places, is low standards. Is it the biggest problem? I don't think so. But there is a complete unwillingness to address the problems that I consider the biggest problems. So people take what they can get.



And they had low standards because that was the best they could do. Will suddenly having higher standards make them do better? Not if everything else stays the same.

Anonymous
Post 05/04/2015 20:45     Subject: Re:PARCC monitoring student's social media, wants schools to "punish" them
Anonymous wrote:
There is not a single problem with education. There are multiple problems, both separate and interconnected. One of these problems, in some places, is low standards. Is it the biggest problem? I don't think so. But there is a complete unwillingness to address the problems that I consider the biggest problems. So people take what they can get.


This would be acceptable if you were getting something for your money, but you're not.


I disagree. I am getting something for my money. Plus the programs that I would want would actually cost a whole lot more money.
Anonymous
Post 05/04/2015 20:44     Subject: Re:PARCC monitoring student's social media, wants schools to "punish" them
Anonymous wrote:

I'm a member of the general public and I understand them. So your point is what exactly?


Well, apparently PP didn't understand them and didn't think he/she needed to understand them.

And, I am to assume that you have not attended college?



Are you going to redefine "general public" now?
Anonymous
Post 05/04/2015 20:44     Subject: Re:PARCC monitoring student's social media, wants schools to "punish" them
There is not a single problem with education. There are multiple problems, both separate and interconnected. One of these problems, in some places, is low standards. Is it the biggest problem? I don't think so. But there is a complete unwillingness to address the problems that I consider the biggest problems. So people take what they can get.



This would be acceptable if you were getting something for your money, but you're not.
Anonymous
Post 05/04/2015 20:44     Subject: Re:PARCC monitoring student's social media, wants schools to "punish" them
Anonymous wrote:
There is not a single problem with education. There are multiple problems, both separate and interconnected. One of these problems, in some places, is low standards. Is it the biggest problem? I don't think so. But there is a complete unwillingness to address the problems that I consider the biggest problems. So people take what they can get.


Pathetic.


What is pathetic? And why?

I agree that our political leaders' complete unwillingness to address the big problems is pathetic, as well as shameful.
Anonymous
Post 05/04/2015 20:42     Subject: Re:PARCC monitoring student's social media, wants schools to "punish" them
One of these problems, in some places, is low standards.


So some places that did not need these standards adopted them because of a crazy competition to get money (Race to the Top) or the need to get a waiver from the AYP requirements of NCLB?

And now they are stuck with these standards and the mandatory testing that comes with them. You can't make this stuff up.
Anonymous
Post 05/04/2015 20:37     Subject: Re:PARCC monitoring student's social media, wants schools to "punish" them
Well, apparently PP didn't understand them and didn't think he/she needed to understand them.

And, I am to assume that you have not attended college?



The majority of the general public has not attended college.
Anonymous
Post 05/04/2015 20:36     Subject: Re:PARCC monitoring student's social media, wants schools to "punish" them
There is not a single problem with education. There are multiple problems, both separate and interconnected. One of these problems, in some places, is low standards. Is it the biggest problem? I don't think so. But there is a complete unwillingness to address the problems that I consider the biggest problems. So people take what they can get.


Pathetic.
Anonymous
Post 05/04/2015 20:13     Subject: Re:PARCC monitoring student's social media, wants schools to "punish" them

I'm a member of the general public and I understand them. So your point is what exactly?


Well, apparently PP didn't understand them and didn't think he/she needed to understand them.

And, I am to assume that you have not attended college?




Anonymous
Post 05/04/2015 20:12     Subject: PARCC monitoring student's social media, wants schools to "punish" them
^ Apparently the reality of being a member of the general public who can understand the standards goes against the narrative. The anti-CCer who is trying to make hay of this apparently lacks the ability to process this reality.
Anonymous
Post 05/04/2015 20:10     Subject: Re:PARCC monitoring student's social media, wants schools to "punish" them
Anonymous wrote:

Yes, and?






A PP said that the standards did not need to be measurable and that the general public did not need to understand them--that only the "implementers" needed to understand them.


I'm a member of the general public and I understand them. So your point is what exactly?
Anonymous
Post 05/04/2015 19:41     Subject: Re:PARCC monitoring student's social media, wants schools to "punish" them

Yes, and?






A PP said that the standards did not need to be measurable and that the general public did not need to understand them--that only the "implementers" needed to understand them.