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Anonymous wrote:Unrelated to boundaries, but it looks like Sangster was just rated the #1 Elementary School in Fairfax County and #2 in all of VA.

Sangster darn well better be rated as one of the best. They have the lowest ELL population in the county, even less than Great Falls ES, and equally low FARMs. Anything less than peak SOL scores would be a shameful result.

Anonymous wrote:Unrelated to boundaries, but it looks like Sangster was just rated the #1 Elementary School in Fairfax County and #2 in all of VA.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Is Lorton Station the school that hosted the Hagel Circle kids for a year or two?

If so, that is where they should go, not Halley or Gunston.

Yup, it’s also the only school where the Hagel Circle kids can walk too.

Then Hagel Circle should go to Lorton Circle, especially if it is a poor neighborhood.

Walkability is critical for parent involvement in education when the families don't have reliable transportation.

Before she moves the Hagel Circle to a different school, someone familiar with the background of Hagel Circle getting shuffled around should make Dr. Reid aware of what happened.

In a district always blathering about "equity" Hagel Circle and Coates being ignored are the true equity issues that need to be addressed, not whether your kid has the "heartbreaking" option of WSHS or LBSS, or not whether you are being "so disrupted" by being forced to move to the beautiful brand new high school instead of staying at Oakton.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's amazing how much time and effort has been put into this to come up with various scenarios....both by the board/Thru consulting and by parents. Why make everyone upset?

Easy solution ...
1. do address checks
2. close schools to transfers
3. watch population trends decline and problem solved
4. semi-annual address to checks to make sure kids are going to their zoned school
5. Factually evaluate population trends and enrollment data -- looking at each grade level.
6. FCPS use 2030 census data to discuss with families any factual reason for possible updates to boundaries.

With a $4 Billion dollar budget FCPS should be able to easily work this and save all the headaches and frustration.

+1 This is the answer! They spent almost a million dollars on a consulting firm and claim they do not have the money to pay people to do address checks because only one person in central office is in charge of that. I work in a nearby school system and our students have to have a copy of a rental agreement/utility bill/ etc every year to re-enroll at the school. The front office checks the date of the paperwork and the address and moves on.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Is Lorton Station the school that hosted the Hagel Circle kids for a year or two?

If so, that is where they should go, not Halley or Gunston.

Yup, it’s also the only school where the Hagel Circle kids can walk too.

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Anonymous wrote:Attending tonight’s meeting, the Superintendent opened by addressing Hagel Circle and it looks like they’ll be making corrections to the maps to send the kids to their community school of Lorton Station vs Halley (current school) or Gunston (proposed school)

Keep in mind, Lorton Station already has over 700 students. An additional 146 students would lead to overcrowding. Lorton Station is not their community school. Gunston was built at the time Hagel Circle was. That was the original elementary school for Hagel.

Better solution is keeping Gunston or having them go to Halley which both schools could easily handle that amount of students. Keep in mind, there is a reason why Hagel Circle was zoned for Halley, it was a capacity issue.

Anonymous wrote:It's amazing how much time and effort has been put into this to come up with various scenarios....both by the board/Thru consulting and by parents. Why make everyone upset?

Easy solution ...
1. do address checks
2. close schools to transfers
3. watch population trends decline and problem solved
4. semi-annual address to checks to make sure kids are going to their zoned school
5. Factually evaluate population trends and enrollment data -- looking at each grade level.
6. FCPS use 2030 census data to discuss with families any factual reason for possible updates to boundaries.

With a $4 Billion dollar budget FCPS should be able to easily work this and save all the headaches and frustration.

Anonymous wrote:Is Lorton Station the school that hosted the Hagel Circle kids for a year or two?

If so, that is where they should go, not Halley or Gunston.

Anonymous wrote:It's amazing how much time and effort has been put into this to come up with various scenarios....both by the board/Thru consulting and by parents. Why make everyone upset?

Easy solution ...
1. do address checks
2. close schools to transfers
3. watch population trends decline and problem solved
4. semi-annual address to checks to make sure kids are going to their zoned school
5. Factually evaluate population trends and enrollment data -- looking at each grade level.
6. FCPS use 2030 census data to discuss with families any factual reason for possible updates to boundaries.

With a $4 Billion dollar budget FCPS should be able to easily work this and save all the headaches and frustration.

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Anonymous wrote:But also putting AAP at Irving will make it even more crowded. Plus some of those AAP kids that choose to go to LBSS for AAP find a way to stay there for high school years. Now they'll all be at Irving/WSHS.

I was also interested to hear at the region 4 meeting that, when pushed on the numbers predicting capacity for 26-27 with the boundary changes, they never ran the numbers for what the 26-27 numbers would be without any changes. Everything is based on the 24-25 student numbers, even though it should be pretty easy to calculate/predict accurate 26-27 numbers.

I know a lot of people think WSHS will be smaller anyway in the coming years (I think the 2026 class is enormous), so again people were annoyed that the consulting company didn't do this when it seems like it shouldn't be that hard and would be common sense to look at.

It would be 2 additional classrooms per grade, 4 total classes of kids.

The 6th grade classes are smaller than the 8th grade classes, when you factor in the class of out of bound AAP kids who attend Keene Mill Elementary


My suggestion for the WSHS pyramid is:

Stick with Map 3 for Rolling Valley, sending the entire RV island to Saratoga and keeping them at Lewis.

This will open up a lot of space at RV.

Move the WSHS AAP program to Rolling Valley. Send ALL of the WSHS AAP level 4 kids to Rolling Valley, including the OH and HV kids at Sangster. It is centrally located and will have space.

Send all the non WSHS pyramid AAP kids at Keene Mill back to their own pyramid AAP schools.

Move the Cardinal Forest neighborhoods in Map 4 to Keene Mill as planned

Move Sangster to LB as recommended in all the maps

Move the Keene Mill island to White Oaks/ LB as recommended in map 4


*** for the White Oaks neighborhood upset about getting rezoned to Cherry Run because siblings will be split up since White Oaks is AAP and Cherry Run is not, send those few streets to Sangster instead, which will have space if the OH and HV kids go to the WSHS pyramid AAP center instead of the LB AAP center.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:But also putting AAP at Irving will make it even more crowded. Plus some of those AAP kids that choose to go to LBSS for AAP find a way to stay there for high school years. Now they'll all be at Irving/WSHS.

I was also interested to hear at the region 4 meeting that, when pushed on the numbers predicting capacity for 26-27 with the boundary changes, they never ran the numbers for what the 26-27 numbers would be without any changes. Everything is based on the 24-25 student numbers, even though it should be pretty easy to calculate/predict accurate 26-27 numbers.

I know a lot of people think WSHS will be smaller anyway in the coming years (I think the 2026 class is enormous), so again people were annoyed that the consulting company didn't do this when it seems like it shouldn't be that hard and would be common sense to look at.

It would be 2 additional classrooms per grade, 4 total classes of kids.

The 6th grade classes are smaller than the 8th grade classes, when you factor in the class of out of bound AAP kids who attend Keene Mill Elementary


My suggestion for the WSHS pyramid is:

Stick with Map 3 for Rolling Valley, sending the entire RV island to Saratoga and keeping them at Lewis.

This will open up a lot of space at RV.

Move the WSHS AAP program to Rolling Valley. Send ALL of the WSHS AAP level 4 kids to Rolling Valley, including the OH and HV kids at Sangster. It is centrally located and will have space.

Send all the non WSHS pyramid AAP kids at Keene Mill back to their own pyramid AAP schools.

Move the Cardinal Forest neighborhoods in Map 4 to Keene Mill as planned

Move Sangster to LB as recommended in all the maps

Move the Keene Mill island to White Oaks/ LB as recommended in map 4


*** for the White Oaks neighborhood upset about getting rezoned to Cherry Run because siblings will be split up since White Oaks is AAP and Cherry Run is not, send those few streets to Sangster instead, which will have space if the OH and HV kids go to the WSHS pyramid AAP center instead of the LB AAP center.

Though Rolling Valley looks like it would have space on paper (76% capacity in scenario 3), that is misleading because it has both a special ed program and an autism program. Those classrooms use TONS of classroom space per child. There is no way that school could accommodate the full AAP program. There would be room to move some students there from Orange Hunt or Cardinal Forest, though, which share boundaries, if needed.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:But also putting AAP at Irving will make it even more crowded. Plus some of those AAP kids that choose to go to LBSS for AAP find a way to stay there for high school years. Now they'll all be at Irving/WSHS.

I was also interested to hear at the region 4 meeting that, when pushed on the numbers predicting capacity for 26-27 with the boundary changes, they never ran the numbers for what the 26-27 numbers would be without any changes. Everything is based on the 24-25 student numbers, even though it should be pretty easy to calculate/predict accurate 26-27 numbers.

I know a lot of people think WSHS will be smaller anyway in the coming years (I think the 2026 class is enormous), so again people were annoyed that the consulting company didn't do this when it seems like it shouldn't be that hard and would be common sense to look at.

Putting AAP in at all the middle schools would definitely change some things. I think if they added it at Irving, they’d definitely have to take a hard look at the WS-LB boundaries because that would take kids out of LB and add them to Irving and WS.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:But also putting AAP at Irving will make it even more crowded. Plus some of those AAP kids that choose to go to LBSS for AAP find a way to stay there for high school years. Now they'll all be at Irving/WSHS.

I was also interested to hear at the region 4 meeting that, when pushed on the numbers predicting capacity for 26-27 with the boundary changes, they never ran the numbers for what the 26-27 numbers would be without any changes. Everything is based on the 24-25 student numbers, even though it should be pretty easy to calculate/predict accurate 26-27 numbers.

I know a lot of people think WSHS will be smaller anyway in the coming years (I think the 2026 class is enormous), so again people were annoyed that the consulting company didn't do this when it seems like it shouldn't be that hard and would be common sense to look at.

It would be 2 additional classrooms per grade, 4 total classes of kids.

The 6th grade classes are smaller than the 8th grade classes, when you factor in the class of out of bound AAP kids who attend Keene Mill Elementary


My suggestion for the WSHS pyramid is:

Stick with Map 3 for Rolling Valley, sending the entire RV island to Saratoga and keeping them at Lewis.

This will open up a lot of space at RV.

Move the WSHS AAP program to Rolling Valley. Send ALL of the WSHS AAP level 4 kids to Rolling Valley, including the OH and HV kids at Sangster. It is centrally located and will have space.

Send all the non WSHS pyramid AAP kids at Keene Mill back to their own pyramid AAP schools.

Move the Cardinal Forest neighborhoods in Map 4 to Keene Mill as planned

Move Sangster to LB as recommended in all the maps

Move the Keene Mill island to White Oaks/ LB as recommended in map 4


*** for the White Oaks neighborhood upset about getting rezoned to Cherry Run because siblings will be split up since White Oaks is AAP and Cherry Run is not, send those few streets to Sangster instead, which will have space if the OH and HV kids go to the WSHS pyramid AAP center instead of the LB AAP center.