Anonymous
05/04/2015 19:28
Subject: Re:PARCC monitoring student's social media, wants schools to "punish" them
Anonymous wrote:copied from the criteria linked on the common core website:
"Clear and Specific: The standards should provide sufficient guidance and clarity so that they are teachable, learnable, and measurable. The standards will also be clear and understandable to the general public.
Quality standards are precise and provide sufficient detail to convey the level of performance expected without being overly prescriptive. (the “what” not the “how”). The standards should maintain a relatively consistent level of grain size.
Teachable and learnable: Provide sufficient guidance for the design of curricula and instructional materials. The standards must be reasonable in scope, instructionally manageable, and promote depth of understanding.
The standards will not prescribe how they are taught and learned but will allow teachers flexibility to teach and students to learn in various instructionally relevant contexts.
Measureable: Student attainment of the standards should be observable and verifiable and the standards can be used to develop broader assessment frameworks"
Yes, and?
Anonymous
05/04/2015 19:27
Subject: Re:PARCC monitoring student's social media, wants schools to "punish" them
Anonymous wrote:We've always had standards. They may have been called goals or objectives, etc. but it essentially means the same thing. There are some subtleties --but basically the same.
The problem with education is not the lack of standards. I don't know how anyone could really believe that is the problem.
There is not a single problem with education. There are multiple problems, both separate and interconnected. One of these problems, in some places, is low standards. Is it the biggest problem? I don't think so. But there is a complete unwillingness to address the problems that I consider the biggest problems. So people take what they can get.
Anonymous
05/04/2015 19:27
Subject: Re:PARCC monitoring student's social media, wants schools to "punish" them
copied from the criteria linked on the common core website:
"Clear and Specific: The standards should provide sufficient guidance and clarity so that they are teachable, learnable, and measurable. The standards will also be clear and understandable to the general public.
Quality standards are precise and provide sufficient detail to convey the level of performance expected without being overly prescriptive. (the “what” not the “how”). The standards should maintain a relatively consistent level of grain size.
Teachable and learnable: Provide sufficient guidance for the design of curricula and instructional materials. The standards must be reasonable in scope, instructionally manageable, and promote depth of understanding.
The standards will not prescribe how they are taught and learned but will allow teachers flexibility to teach and students to learn in various instructionally relevant contexts.
Measureable: Student attainment of the standards should be observable and verifiable and the standards can be used to develop broader assessment frameworks"
"Clear and Specific: The standards should provide sufficient guidance and clarity so that they are teachable, learnable, and measurable. The standards will also be clear and understandable to the general public.
Quality standards are precise and provide sufficient detail to convey the level of performance expected without being overly prescriptive. (the “what” not the “how”). The standards should maintain a relatively consistent level of grain size.
Teachable and learnable: Provide sufficient guidance for the design of curricula and instructional materials. The standards must be reasonable in scope, instructionally manageable, and promote depth of understanding.
The standards will not prescribe how they are taught and learned but will allow teachers flexibility to teach and students to learn in various instructionally relevant contexts.
Measureable: Student attainment of the standards should be observable and verifiable and the standards can be used to develop broader assessment frameworks"
Anonymous
05/04/2015 19:25
Subject: Re:PARCC monitoring student's social media, wants schools to "punish" them
Anonymous wrote:
Not everything needs to be measured. Remember, NCLB is a separate mandate.
Standards aren't written for "the public" - they are for the implementers. I had no problem understanding them. Any person implementing them should have even less of a problem.
Then, please tell us why the criteria for the Common Core standards--from the Common Core website--states that the standards are to be (among other things) clearly written so that the general public can understand them and that the standards should be measurable? (Excuse me--"measureable" they misspelled it.)
I can understand them. I can figure out how to measure them, too. I'm a member of the general public.
Anonymous
05/04/2015 19:25
Subject: Re:PARCC monitoring student's social media, wants schools to "punish" them
Anonymous wrote:
As a member of the general public, what do you understand this standard to mean?:
CCSS.ELA-LITERACY.L.7.6
Acquire and use accurately grade-appropriate general academic and domain-specific words and phrases; gather vocabulary knowledge when considering a word or phrase important to comprehension or expression.
How would it be measured?
How would it be measured? Like this: is the student able to
1. acquire and use accurately grade-appropriate general academic and domain-specific words and phrases
2. gather vocabulary knowledge when considering a word or phrase important to comprehension or expression
or is the student not able to do so?
And for the person who is concerned that this particular standard does not define "grade-appropriate" -- fear not! This is not the only literacy standard, nor is it the only English/Language arts standard, for seventh grade. There are other standards that address the definition of grade-appropriateness.
Here are the literacy standards for grade 7: http://www.corestandards.org/ELA-Literacy/L/7/
Anonymous
05/04/2015 19:21
Subject: Re:PARCC monitoring student's social media, wants schools to "punish" them
Not everything needs to be measured. Remember, NCLB is a separate mandate.
Standards aren't written for "the public" - they are for the implementers. I had no problem understanding them. Any person implementing them should have even less of a problem.
Then, please tell us why the criteria for the Common Core standards--from the Common Core website--states that the standards are to be (among other things) clearly written so that the general public can understand them and that the standards should be measurable? (Excuse me--"measureable" they misspelled it.)
Anonymous
05/04/2015 19:08
Subject: Re:PARCC monitoring student's social media, wants schools to "punish" them
Anonymous wrote:And, according to criteria on CC website, the standards should be "Measurable" and clearly written--so that general public can understand them.
Standards aren't written for "the public" - they are for the implementers. I had no problem understanding them. Any person implementing them should have even less of a problem.
Anonymous
05/04/2015 19:07
Subject: Re:PARCC monitoring student's social media, wants schools to "punish" them
Anonymous wrote:
As a member of the general public, what do you understand this standard to mean?:
CCSS.ELA-LITERACY.L.7.6
Acquire and use accurately grade-appropriate general academic and domain-specific words and phrases; gather vocabulary knowledge when considering a word or phrase important to comprehension or expression.
How would it be measured?
Not everything needs to be measured. Remember, NCLB is a separate mandate.
Anonymous
05/04/2015 19:00
Subject: Re:PARCC monitoring student's social media, wants schools to "punish" them
CCSS.ELA-LITERACY.L.7.6
Acquire and use accurately grade-appropriate general academic and domain-specific words and phrases; gather vocabulary knowledge when considering a word or phrase important to comprehension or expression.
Thought the standards were supposed to tell us what was "grade appropriate". Good catch. Very poorly written. I'm sure the general public will understand this one perfectly.
Anonymous
05/04/2015 18:56
Subject: Re:PARCC monitoring student's social media, wants schools to "punish" them
We've always had standards. They may have been called goals or objectives, etc. but it essentially means the same thing. There are some subtleties --but basically the same.
The problem with education is not the lack of standards. I don't know how anyone could really believe that is the problem.
The problem with education is not the lack of standards. I don't know how anyone could really believe that is the problem.
Anonymous
05/04/2015 18:55
Subject: Re:PARCC monitoring student's social media, wants schools to "punish" them
We've always had standards. They may have been called goals or objectives, etc. but it essentially means the same thing. There are some subtleties --but basically the same.
The problem with education is not the lack of standards. I don't know how anyone could really believe that is the problem.
The problem with education is not the lack of standards. I don't know how anyone could really believe that is the problem.
Anonymous
05/04/2015 18:51
Subject: Re:PARCC monitoring student's social media, wants schools to "punish" them
As a member of the general public, how would you like feedback for your child on this standard? Do you want a check mark somewhere or do you just assume that the teacher did this if it is a standard? Do you want this on the report card? This one would be hard to put on a standardized test.
I'm fine with it just being in the curriculum.
Good. How many others are you fine with not being tested? The majority maybe? I could go through and count how many standards are very difficult to test in a standardized way (a lot). There are some standards that give actual teaching examples and I assume those are the ones that are tested. Those are probably not the ones you want teachers spending a lot of time on, but in certain schools they will spend an inordinate amount of time on those if the tests are high stakes. It becomes questionable whether testing is worth it.
Standards are fine. We must have standards. Just get rid of the tests. The tests are the problem. The "opt outers" have it right.
Anonymous
05/04/2015 18:36
Subject: Re:PARCC monitoring student's social media, wants schools to "punish" them
As a member of the general public, what do you understand this standard to mean?:
CCSS.ELA-LITERACY.L.7.6
Acquire and use accurately grade-appropriate general academic and domain-specific words and phrases; gather vocabulary knowledge when considering a word or phrase important to comprehension or expression.
How would it be measured?
Anonymous
05/04/2015 18:36
Subject: Re:PARCC monitoring student's social media, wants schools to "punish" them
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
And, according to criteria on CC website, the standards should be "Measurable" and clearly written--so that general public can understand them.
This member of the general public has not had any problems understanding them.
As a member of the general public, how would you like feedback for your child on this standard? Do you want a check mark somewhere or do you just assume that the teacher did this if it is a standard? Do you want this on the report card? This one would be hard to put on a standardized test.
I'm fine with it just being in the curriculum.
Anonymous
05/04/2015 18:22
Subject: Re:PARCC monitoring student's social media, wants schools to "punish" them
Anonymous wrote:
And, according to criteria on CC website, the standards should be "Measurable" and clearly written--so that general public can understand them.
This member of the general public has not had any problems understanding them.
As a member of the general public, how would you like feedback for your child on this standard? Do you want a check mark somewhere or do you just assume that the teacher did this if it is a standard? Do you want this on the report card? This one would be hard to put on a standardized test.