Anonymous
03/04/2022 15:20
Subject: Re:US has no good options in Ukraine
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Currently watching the Russian UN Ambassador Nebenzia claim the nuclear power plant attack was done by Ukraine and everything else is fake news. I don't know whether to laugh or cry.
He is probably wrong but there are so many fake news and propaganda going on both sides.
https://news.yahoo.com/fact-mythmaking-blend-ukraines-information-190837967.html
Probably wrong?!?!?! It was livestreamed for goodness sake
Live-streamed by whom?
The same people who staged the moon landing in the Comet Ping Pong basement. Duh.
Anonymous
03/04/2022 15:20
Subject: US has no good options in Ukraine
https://amp.courier-journal.com/amp/9373911002
Luckily they sold off their investments the day before Russia invaded Ukraine.
Anonymous
03/04/2022 15:17
Subject: Re:US has no good options in Ukraine
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Currently watching the Russian UN Ambassador Nebenzia claim the nuclear power plant attack was done by Ukraine and everything else is fake news. I don't know whether to laugh or cry.
He is probably wrong but there are so many fake news and propaganda going on both sides.
https://news.yahoo.com/fact-mythmaking-blend-ukraines-information-190837967.html
Probably wrong?!?!?! It was livestreamed for goodness sake
Live-streamed by whom?
Anonymous
03/04/2022 15:16
Subject: Re:US has no good options in Ukraine
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Currently watching the Russian UN Ambassador Nebenzia claim the nuclear power plant attack was done by Ukraine and everything else is fake news. I don't know whether to laugh or cry.
He is probably wrong but there are so many fake news and propaganda going on both sides.
https://news.yahoo.com/fact-mythmaking-blend-ukraines-information-190837967.html
Probably wrong?!?!?! It was livestreamed for goodness sake
Si how will Russians know theirs is not "live-streamed?"
And this is a typical russian propaganda line: that there is fake news and propaganda on BOTH sides, so a person doesn’t really know what to believe. And if both lines are not credible, then credibility comes not from logic but from who inherently the viewer trusts more, which is russian news for the russians. It’s actually an incredibly dangerous thesis to propagate.
Anonymous
03/04/2022 15:10
Subject: Re:US has no good options in Ukraine
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Currently watching the Russian UN Ambassador Nebenzia claim the nuclear power plant attack was done by Ukraine and everything else is fake news. I don't know whether to laugh or cry.
He is probably wrong but there are so many fake news and propaganda going on both sides.
https://news.yahoo.com/fact-mythmaking-blend-ukraines-information-190837967.html
Probably wrong?!?!?! It was livestreamed for goodness sake
Si how will Russians know theirs is not "live-streamed?"
Anonymous
03/04/2022 15:02
Subject: US has no good options in Ukraine
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The US did not have good options in Poland and France either in 1939 and 1940. It’s either now ukraine wins or Putin wins and is further emboldened by his success.
Yes, the US has no good options, and Ukraine losing is the worst option. The US and Europe can absolutely sell for cheap jet fighters and anti aircraft systems to Ukraine, nobody is talking about US boots on the ground. A private Turkish company is selling arms to Ukraine and so could Europe and the US.
And what do you think the outcome of that would be?
Newsflash there's going to be no winning in this one just a spectrum of loss.
Outcome of ukraine winning? regime change in russia.
Also, Ukraine winning could turn things around for Belarus.
Ukraine losing? Putin stays on, emboldened, goes after Georgia, or Poland, or a nip of baltics, may be Kazakhstan.
Anonymous
03/04/2022 15:01
Subject: US has no good options in Ukraine
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The US did not have good options in Poland and France either in 1939 and 1940. It’s either now ukraine wins or Putin wins and is further emboldened by his success.
Yes, the US has no good options, and Ukraine losing is the worst option. The US and Europe can absolutely sell for cheap jet fighters and anti aircraft systems to Ukraine, nobody is talking about US boots on the ground. A private Turkish company is selling arms to Ukraine and so could Europe and the US.
And what do you think the outcome of that would be?
Newsflash there's going to be no winning in this one just a spectrum of loss.
Outcome of ukraine winning? regime change in russia.
Anonymous
03/04/2022 14:55
Subject: US has no good options in Ukraine
Anonymous wrote:Objectively Ukraine striking the plant and blaming Russia makes sense
It's sure to garner sympathy, perhaps get them more support and force against Russia and no one would believe that they did it. Plus destroy a valuable asset before the enemy does is not unheard-of.
There's no " good reason" for Russia to strike the plant they know it will ramp up action and outrage towards them plus that functional plant would be a valuable asset to them.
It's also possible it was an accidental hit by one or the other and blaming the other works because accidentally striking a nuclear plant makes you an idiot.
Objectively, ukraine that lived through Chernobyl and whose own citizens and lands will be impacted by radiation while trying to fight off russian terrorists and killers, has zero to strike its own nuclear power plant. Stop with convoluted ways. Putin is blackmailing with nuclear accident, rather than dropping off a nuclear bomb, he’s basically trying to instigate a nuclear disaster.
Anonymous
03/04/2022 14:54
Subject: US has no good options in Ukraine
Anonymous wrote:Objectively Ukraine striking the plant and blaming Russia makes sense
It's sure to garner sympathy, perhaps get them more support and force against Russia and no one would believe that they did it. Plus destroy a valuable asset before the enemy does is not unheard-of.
There's no " good reason" for Russia to strike the plant they know it will ramp up action and outrage towards them plus that functional plant would be a valuable asset to them.
It's also possible it was an accidental hit by one or the other and blaming the other works because accidentally striking a nuclear plant makes you an idiot.
But doesn't Russia now have possession of the plant? They had to have taken it somehow. Taking a power plant, and thus controlling electricity to much of the country makes sense. The fact that they took Chernobyl on the first day, and have now taken this plant is what makes me nervous. There is no strategic move to taking Chernobyl other than threatening a nuclear meltdown.
Anonymous
03/04/2022 14:54
Subject: US has no good options in Ukraine
Anonymous wrote:Objectively Ukraine striking the plant and blaming Russia makes sense
It's sure to garner sympathy, perhaps get them more support and force against Russia and no one would believe that they did it. Plus destroy a valuable asset before the enemy does is not unheard-of.
There's no " good reason" for Russia to strike the plant they know it will ramp up action and outrage towards them plus that functional plant would be a valuable asset to them.
It's also possible it was an accidental hit by one or the other and blaming the other works because accidentally striking a nuclear plant makes you an idiot.
This is insane.
You do know that Russia now has control of the plant, right? How do you think this happened?
And, the employees there have stated that Russia's plan is told hold Europe hostage by threatening to turn off the power. Lovely.
There is no way Ukraine would do this. This was Russia.
Anonymous
03/04/2022 14:52
Subject: US has no good options in Ukraine
Anonymous wrote:Objectively Ukraine striking the plant and blaming Russia makes sense
It's sure to garner sympathy, perhaps get them more support and force against Russia and no one would believe that they did it. Plus destroy a valuable asset before the enemy does is not unheard-of.
There's no " good reason" for Russia to strike the plant they know it will ramp up action and outrage towards them plus that functional plant would be a valuable asset to them.
It's also possible it was an accidental hit by one or the other and blaming the other works because accidentally striking a nuclear plant makes you an idiot.
The only reason that an accident could even occur is because Russia is currently invading the Ukraine. The entirety of what happens is solely the fault of the Russians
Anonymous
03/04/2022 14:50
Subject: US has no good options in Ukraine
Anonymous wrote:The US did not have good options in Poland and France either in 1939 and 1940. It’s either now ukraine wins or Putin wins and is further emboldened by his success.
Yes, the US has no good options, and Ukraine losing is the worst option. The US and Europe can absolutely sell for cheap jet fighters and anti aircraft systems to Ukraine, nobody is talking about US boots on the ground. A private Turkish company is selling arms to Ukraine and so could Europe and the US.
And what do you think the outcome of that would be?
Newsflash there's going to be no winning in this one just a spectrum of loss.
Anonymous
03/04/2022 14:49
Subject: US has no good options in Ukraine
Objectively Ukraine striking the plant and blaming Russia makes sense
It's sure to garner sympathy, perhaps get them more support and force against Russia and no one would believe that they did it. Plus destroy a valuable asset before the enemy does is not unheard-of.
There's no " good reason" for Russia to strike the plant they know it will ramp up action and outrage towards them plus that functional plant would be a valuable asset to them.
It's also possible it was an accidental hit by one or the other and blaming the other works because accidentally striking a nuclear plant makes you an idiot.
It's sure to garner sympathy, perhaps get them more support and force against Russia and no one would believe that they did it. Plus destroy a valuable asset before the enemy does is not unheard-of.
There's no " good reason" for Russia to strike the plant they know it will ramp up action and outrage towards them plus that functional plant would be a valuable asset to them.
It's also possible it was an accidental hit by one or the other and blaming the other works because accidentally striking a nuclear plant makes you an idiot.
Anonymous
03/04/2022 14:47
Subject: US has no good options in Ukraine
The US did not have good options in Poland and France either in 1939 and 1940. It’s either now ukraine wins or Putin wins and is further emboldened by his success.
Yes, the US has no good options, and Ukraine losing is the worst option. The US and Europe can absolutely sell for cheap jet fighters and anti aircraft systems to Ukraine, nobody is talking about US boots on the ground. A private Turkish company is selling arms to Ukraine and so could Europe and the US.
Yes, the US has no good options, and Ukraine losing is the worst option. The US and Europe can absolutely sell for cheap jet fighters and anti aircraft systems to Ukraine, nobody is talking about US boots on the ground. A private Turkish company is selling arms to Ukraine and so could Europe and the US.
Anonymous
03/04/2022 14:36
Subject: Re:US has no good options in Ukraine
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Currently watching the Russian UN Ambassador Nebenzia claim the nuclear power plant attack was done by Ukraine and everything else is fake news. I don't know whether to laugh or cry.
He is probably wrong but there are so many fake news and propaganda going on both sides.
https://news.yahoo.com/fact-mythmaking-blend-ukraines-information-190837967.html
Probably wrong?!?!?! It was livestreamed for goodness sake
My thoughts exactly.