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Anonymous wrote:Well I’ve been one who kind of felt bad for Brandon being married to a narcissist for 20+ years but something shifted when I read our thread’s PI outlining a convincing story of his possible adultery. It may not even be true but it caused me to see him as more of a user. Like did he really need to post all the boobie photos of Tina? I get it’s been 2 years but come on man you’re 50 and your kids see this weird man child behavior out of you. Not to mention the endless liquor pictures. He seems about 21 emotionally, based on what puts a high emphasis upon. (Hot chick, booze, motorcycles, muscle cars, bars, concerts, sports events, expensive: hats/boots, vacations &gifts) surprisingly superficial stuff for a former pastor. Former ANCer’s was he always like this or did this escalate with his mid life crises?

When I went there 2008-ish. Back when they were at the Akins Highschool and through the time at Jackie’s on Manchaca, he sort of slowly morphed into what he is today. He was slight- tall and thin-ish. Wispy goatee with our the stache. Hair short and thinning. He wore normal jeans with Chuck Taylors most days and a untucked long sleeve button down with the sleeves rolled up. Maybe had a tat or two if I recall. After communion when the band was playing the final tunes, and everyone is in deep reflection swaying to and fro, he’d kneel down by the stage and strike a pose on one knee, but his head down and pray as tho he was praying has hard as he could. He’d talk in great platitudes about how weird it was to go to a new church and ANC was just a place to welcome everyone, ya know? That’s how he’s end sentences, “ya know?” Whatever, I didn’t care. Somewhere, after several months @ Jackie’s he started talking more about the bikers and riding with them…. He started changing. More tats. Full beard. Buzz cut. More hats with flat brim pull way down low like an idiot. Boots and jeans that no real cowboy would ever wear. I always thought he was channeling Jesse James. Now it’s motorcycle club stuff, rings, wallet chain, cute little motorcycle gang vest thing. And inked up like crazy. Looks like he’s taken some roids or human growth hormones—- much thicker and bulkier than he was 10 years ago.

At the risk of “killing the vibe”, it sure does read as though someone asked and answered their own question. Trying to steer the convo off Jen. It only takes one person. Yes, Brandon is shallow and a made over nerd…but he’s not Jen and really, your post is super weird. Start a new thread or something dude.

Someone asked the question, sugar, and I answered it from my POV. I didn’t ask and then answer my own question. Not trying to steer any convo off Jen. To me they’re a package deal to a great extent. Neither would be where they are without the other. And, BTW, you are killing the vibe and, actually, your post is super weird. Why don’t you start and new thread, dude. What a lame weirdo. I bet your kids love you being around when they’re with their friends. You’re like the lame mom who is always worried about the sh*t that doesn’t matter, and your kiddos cringe when you’re around their friends. Lighten up, Francis.

Even weirder. You weirdo.

Good one. Very original.

Shall I go into detail about how your kids cringe when you are around their friends? That seems like it came from a place deep inside you. Project much? Seek help.

Ha! No, not at all. Just have observed a lot of smothers and helicopter parents and you seem to fit the classic definition. Blessings.

That’s hilarious. Cause you know literally nothing about me other than me calling you post out as weird. Lololol

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Anonymous wrote:Well I’ve been one who kind of felt bad for Brandon being married to a narcissist for 20+ years but something shifted when I read our thread’s PI outlining a convincing story of his possible adultery. It may not even be true but it caused me to see him as more of a user. Like did he really need to post all the boobie photos of Tina? I get it’s been 2 years but come on man you’re 50 and your kids see this weird man child behavior out of you. Not to mention the endless liquor pictures. He seems about 21 emotionally, based on what puts a high emphasis upon. (Hot chick, booze, motorcycles, muscle cars, bars, concerts, sports events, expensive: hats/boots, vacations &gifts) surprisingly superficial stuff for a former pastor. Former ANCer’s was he always like this or did this escalate with his mid life crises?

When I went there 2008-ish. Back when they were at the Akins Highschool and through the time at Jackie’s on Manchaca, he sort of slowly morphed into what he is today. He was slight- tall and thin-ish. Wispy goatee with our the stache. Hair short and thinning. He wore normal jeans with Chuck Taylors most days and a untucked long sleeve button down with the sleeves rolled up. Maybe had a tat or two if I recall. After communion when the band was playing the final tunes, and everyone is in deep reflection swaying to and fro, he’d kneel down by the stage and strike a pose on one knee, but his head down and pray as tho he was praying has hard as he could. He’d talk in great platitudes about how weird it was to go to a new church and ANC was just a place to welcome everyone, ya know? That’s how he’s end sentences, “ya know?” Whatever, I didn’t care. Somewhere, after several months @ Jackie’s he started talking more about the bikers and riding with them…. He started changing. More tats. Full beard. Buzz cut. More hats with flat brim pull way down low like an idiot. Boots and jeans that no real cowboy would ever wear. I always thought he was channeling Jesse James. Now it’s motorcycle club stuff, rings, wallet chain, cute little motorcycle gang vest thing. And inked up like crazy. Looks like he’s taken some roids or human growth hormones—- much thicker and bulkier than he was 10 years ago.

At the risk of “killing the vibe”, it sure does read as though someone asked and answered their own question. Trying to steer the convo off Jen. It only takes one person. Yes, Brandon is shallow and a made over nerd…but he’s not Jen and really, your post is super weird. Start a new thread or something dude.

Someone asked the question, sugar, and I answered it from my POV. I didn’t ask and then answer my own question. Not trying to steer any convo off Jen. To me they’re a package deal to a great extent. Neither would be where they are without the other. And, BTW, you are killing the vibe and, actually, your post is super weird. Why don’t you start and new thread, dude. What a lame weirdo. I bet your kids love you being around when they’re with their friends. You’re like the lame mom who is always worried about the sh*t that doesn’t matter, and your kiddos cringe when you’re around their friends. Lighten up, Francis.

Even weirder. You weirdo.

Good one. Very original.

Shall I go into detail about how your kids cringe when you are around their friends? That seems like it came from a place deep inside you. Project much? Seek help.

Ha! No, not at all. Just have observed a lot of smothers and helicopter parents and you seem to fit the classic definition. Blessings.

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Anonymous wrote:Well I’ve been one who kind of felt bad for Brandon being married to a narcissist for 20+ years but something shifted when I read our thread’s PI outlining a convincing story of his possible adultery. It may not even be true but it caused me to see him as more of a user. Like did he really need to post all the boobie photos of Tina? I get it’s been 2 years but come on man you’re 50 and your kids see this weird man child behavior out of you. Not to mention the endless liquor pictures. He seems about 21 emotionally, based on what puts a high emphasis upon. (Hot chick, booze, motorcycles, muscle cars, bars, concerts, sports events, expensive: hats/boots, vacations &gifts) surprisingly superficial stuff for a former pastor. Former ANCer’s was he always like this or did this escalate with his mid life crises?

When I went there 2008-ish. Back when they were at the Akins Highschool and through the time at Jackie’s on Manchaca, he sort of slowly morphed into what he is today. He was slight- tall and thin-ish. Wispy goatee with our the stache. Hair short and thinning. He wore normal jeans with Chuck Taylors most days and a untucked long sleeve button down with the sleeves rolled up. Maybe had a tat or two if I recall. After communion when the band was playing the final tunes, and everyone is in deep reflection swaying to and fro, he’d kneel down by the stage and strike a pose on one knee, but his head down and pray as tho he was praying has hard as he could. He’d talk in great platitudes about how weird it was to go to a new church and ANC was just a place to welcome everyone, ya know? That’s how he’s end sentences, “ya know?” Whatever, I didn’t care. Somewhere, after several months @ Jackie’s he started talking more about the bikers and riding with them…. He started changing. More tats. Full beard. Buzz cut. More hats with flat brim pull way down low like an idiot. Boots and jeans that no real cowboy would ever wear. I always thought he was channeling Jesse James. Now it’s motorcycle club stuff, rings, wallet chain, cute little motorcycle gang vest thing. And inked up like crazy. Looks like he’s taken some roids or human growth hormones—- much thicker and bulkier than he was 10 years ago.

At the risk of “killing the vibe”, it sure does read as though someone asked and answered their own question. Trying to steer the convo off Jen. It only takes one person. Yes, Brandon is shallow and a made over nerd…but he’s not Jen and really, your post is super weird. Start a new thread or something dude.

Someone asked the question, sugar, and I answered it from my POV. I didn’t ask and then answer my own question. Not trying to steer any convo off Jen. To me they’re a package deal to a great extent. Neither would be where they are without the other. And, BTW, you are killing the vibe and, actually, your post is super weird. Why don’t you start and new thread, dude. What a lame weirdo. I bet your kids love you being around when they’re with their friends. You’re like the lame mom who is always worried about the sh*t that doesn’t matter, and your kiddos cringe when you’re around their friends. Lighten up, Francis.

Even weirder. You weirdo.

Good one. Very original.

Shall I go into detail about how your kids cringe when you are around their friends? That seems like it came from a place deep inside you. Project much? Seek help.

PP asked why we seem to go easier on Brandon than Jen -
I’ve been chewing on this. I think it is because this is a board made up mostly of Christian women and we tend to recognize the Holy Spirit in one another.

I saw it in Brandon, with my own eyes. So now I think of Brandon as my lost brother, the prodigal son I’m praying to come home after he finally tires of eating the pig slop, knowing that the Father will run across town to him, if he only comes home.

I don’t feel this way about Jen.
Jen
She makes me think of matthew 7: “ Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’ Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’”

Anonymous wrote:Well I’ve been one who kind of felt bad for Brandon being married to a narcissist for 20+ years but something shifted when I read our thread’s PI outlining a convincing story of his possible adultery. It may not even be true but it caused me to see him as more of a user. Like did he really need to post all the boobie photos of Tina? I get it’s been 2 years but come on man you’re 50 and your kids see this weird man child behavior out of you. Not to mention the endless liquor pictures. He seems about 21 emotionally, based on what puts a high emphasis upon. (Hot chick, booze, motorcycles, muscle cars, bars, concerts, sports events, expensive: hats/boots, vacations &gifts) surprisingly superficial stuff for a former pastor. Former ANCer’s was he always like this or did this escalate with his mid life crises?

Former ANCer here from about 2010.
Well you know, you go wow I obviously never knew them like I thought I did.
But no. Jen was always LOOK AT MEEEEE and selfish but Brandon seemed sweet & winsome & maybe even a little maudlin.
When he was around Tray he turned into a tool cause Tray is a total tool.
Now I think Brandon was/is just a follower.
I think - I know - Brandon was not at all cool with gay marriage.

I always thought B truly loved the Lord. I think Jen just used Jesus as her grift du jour. we know them by their fruit - Jen has no fruit.

My theory:
Brandon, already mostly castrated by his fame whore wife, has a serious spiritual crisis stemming from a. The golf cart death and b. Sydney coming out.
His wife sucks at empathy so she probably was supportive in the beginning but then maybe made it worse.
He’s very depressed and starts drinking, etc????? way too much. Plus some financial shenanigans.
He walks away from God. So all moral compass out the window now.
Tina comes along.
All the married-too-young-sow-wild-oats-my-wife-doesn’t-understand-me-she marksmen-feel-like-a-man-again crap kicks in.

Jen & Brandon abandoned Christ and embraced a prosperity gospel as vapid as that of Jim & Tammy Faye Bakker.
The prosperity gospel will never, ever deliver. And it will always, always disappoint when a crisis comes.
Only a true understanding that Christ, who suffered far worse for our SIN will heal us. But we must repent of that sin first, **not applaud it**
Jesus Christ the Son of the Great I Am is not our buddy, he is not our pal. He is our SAVIOR. He is the only Influencer who matters.

Brandon, you know this.
Turn around.
Nothing else will satisfy your heart.
Remember your first love.
He didn’t go anywhere. He’s still here.

Anonymous wrote:Did anyone here even read his book, A Mile Wide? I was on the launch team for that, and the promoters were so aggressive that I swore I'd never be on another book launch team, free ARC be damned. I wonder if he felt pressure to write his own book, because this came out after 7 which I think really cemented Jen in the Christian book world pantheon.

They both seem to be so lost now. And was it in Interrupted that Jen told the story of an older Christian speaker (almost certainly Beth Moore) who begged Jen to be careful as her star rose and not to "let them make you into a starlet!"
How prophetic.

I read it; I think I got it as an ebook on sale at some point. I don't remember much about it, other than it not feeling super original.

Oh, hang on...just checked my GoodReads history. I gave it 3 stars...that's pretty brutal for me. And yep, there was nothing that felt fresh and original about it, just a rehashing of what other authors have done much better.

I’ve only read 7 and had Brandon’s book on small groups recommended because it was supposed to have original ideas. Unfortunately after hearing the real experiences of ex-ANCer’s I question what was true and what was them taking artistic license with the facts about the church, their marriage, the ministry/philanthropy, all of it.

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Anonymous wrote:Well I’ve been one who kind of felt bad for Brandon being married to a narcissist for 20+ years but something shifted when I read our thread’s PI outlining a convincing story of his possible adultery. It may not even be true but it caused me to see him as more of a user. Like did he really need to post all the boobie photos of Tina? I get it’s been 2 years but come on man you’re 50 and your kids see this weird man child behavior out of you. Not to mention the endless liquor pictures. He seems about 21 emotionally, based on what puts a high emphasis upon. (Hot chick, booze, motorcycles, muscle cars, bars, concerts, sports events, expensive: hats/boots, vacations &gifts) surprisingly superficial stuff for a former pastor. Former ANCer’s was he always like this or did this escalate with his mid life crises?

When I went there 2008-ish. Back when they were at the Akins Highschool and through the time at Jackie’s on Manchaca, he sort of slowly morphed into what he is today. He was slight- tall and thin-ish. Wispy goatee with our the stache. Hair short and thinning. He wore normal jeans with Chuck Taylors most days and a untucked long sleeve button down with the sleeves rolled up. Maybe had a tat or two if I recall. After communion when the band was playing the final tunes, and everyone is in deep reflection swaying to and fro, he’d kneel down by the stage and strike a pose on one knee, but his head down and pray as tho he was praying has hard as he could. He’d talk in great platitudes about how weird it was to go to a new church and ANC was just a place to welcome everyone, ya know? That’s how he’s end sentences, “ya know?” Whatever, I didn’t care. Somewhere, after several months @ Jackie’s he started talking more about the bikers and riding with them…. He started changing. More tats. Full beard. Buzz cut. More hats with flat brim pull way down low like an idiot. Boots and jeans that no real cowboy would ever wear. I always thought he was channeling Jesse James. Now it’s motorcycle club stuff, rings, wallet chain, cute little motorcycle gang vest thing. And inked up like crazy. Looks like he’s taken some roids or human growth hormones—- much thicker and bulkier than he was 10 years ago.

At the risk of “killing the vibe”, it sure does read as though someone asked and answered their own question. Trying to steer the convo off Jen. It only takes one person. Yes, Brandon is shallow and a made over nerd…but he’s not Jen and really, your post is super weird. Start a new thread or something dude.

Someone asked the question, sugar, and I answered it from my POV. I didn’t ask and then answer my own question. Not trying to steer any convo off Jen. To me they’re a package deal to a great extent. Neither would be where they are without the other. And, BTW, you are killing the vibe and, actually, your post is super weird. Why don’t you start and new thread, dude. What a lame weirdo. I bet your kids love you being around when they’re with their friends. You’re like the lame mom who is always worried about the sh*t that doesn’t matter, and your kiddos cringe when you’re around their friends. Lighten up, Francis.

Even weirder. You weirdo.

Good one. Very original.

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Anonymous wrote:Well I’ve been one who kind of felt bad for Brandon being married to a narcissist for 20+ years but something shifted when I read our thread’s PI outlining a convincing story of his possible adultery. It may not even be true but it caused me to see him as more of a user. Like did he really need to post all the boobie photos of Tina? I get it’s been 2 years but come on man you’re 50 and your kids see this weird man child behavior out of you. Not to mention the endless liquor pictures. He seems about 21 emotionally, based on what puts a high emphasis upon. (Hot chick, booze, motorcycles, muscle cars, bars, concerts, sports events, expensive: hats/boots, vacations &gifts) surprisingly superficial stuff for a former pastor. Former ANCer’s was he always like this or did this escalate with his mid life crises?

When I went there 2008-ish. Back when they were at the Akins Highschool and through the time at Jackie’s on Manchaca, he sort of slowly morphed into what he is today. He was slight- tall and thin-ish. Wispy goatee with our the stache. Hair short and thinning. He wore normal jeans with Chuck Taylors most days and a untucked long sleeve button down with the sleeves rolled up. Maybe had a tat or two if I recall. After communion when the band was playing the final tunes, and everyone is in deep reflection swaying to and fro, he’d kneel down by the stage and strike a pose on one knee, but his head down and pray as tho he was praying has hard as he could. He’d talk in great platitudes about how weird it was to go to a new church and ANC was just a place to welcome everyone, ya know? That’s how he’s end sentences, “ya know?” Whatever, I didn’t care. Somewhere, after several months @ Jackie’s he started talking more about the bikers and riding with them…. He started changing. More tats. Full beard. Buzz cut. More hats with flat brim pull way down low like an idiot. Boots and jeans that no real cowboy would ever wear. I always thought he was channeling Jesse James. Now it’s motorcycle club stuff, rings, wallet chain, cute little motorcycle gang vest thing. And inked up like crazy. Looks like he’s taken some roids or human growth hormones—- much thicker and bulkier than he was 10 years ago.

At the risk of “killing the vibe”, it sure does read as though someone asked and answered their own question. Trying to steer the convo off Jen. It only takes one person. Yes, Brandon is shallow and a made over nerd…but he’s not Jen and really, your post is super weird. Start a new thread or something dude.

Someone asked the question, sugar, and I answered it from my POV. I didn’t ask and then answer my own question. Not trying to steer any convo off Jen. To me they’re a package deal to a great extent. Neither would be where they are without the other. And, BTW, you are killing the vibe and, actually, your post is super weird. Why don’t you start and new thread, dude. What a lame weirdo. I bet your kids love you being around when they’re with their friends. You’re like the lame mom who is always worried about the sh*t that doesn’t matter, and your kiddos cringe when you’re around their friends. Lighten up, Francis.

Even weirder. You weirdo.

Did anyone here even read his book, A Mile Wide? I was on the launch team for that, and the promoters were so aggressive that I swore I'd never be on another book launch team, free ARC be damned. I wonder if he felt pressure to write his own book, because this came out after 7 which I think really cemented Jen in the Christian book world pantheon.

They both seem to be so lost now. And was it in Interrupted that Jen told the story of an older Christian speaker (almost certainly Beth Moore) who begged Jen to be careful as her star rose and not to "let them make you into a starlet!"
How prophetic.

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Anonymous wrote:Well I’ve been one who kind of felt bad for Brandon being married to a narcissist for 20+ years but something shifted when I read our thread’s PI outlining a convincing story of his possible adultery. It may not even be true but it caused me to see him as more of a user. Like did he really need to post all the boobie photos of Tina? I get it’s been 2 years but come on man you’re 50 and your kids see this weird man child behavior out of you. Not to mention the endless liquor pictures. He seems about 21 emotionally, based on what puts a high emphasis upon. (Hot chick, booze, motorcycles, muscle cars, bars, concerts, sports events, expensive: hats/boots, vacations &gifts) surprisingly superficial stuff for a former pastor. Former ANCer’s was he always like this or did this escalate with his mid life crises?

When I went there 2008-ish. Back when they were at the Akins Highschool and through the time at Jackie’s on Manchaca, he sort of slowly morphed into what he is today. He was slight- tall and thin-ish. Wispy goatee with our the stache. Hair short and thinning. He wore normal jeans with Chuck Taylors most days and a untucked long sleeve button down with the sleeves rolled up. Maybe had a tat or two if I recall. After communion when the band was playing the final tunes, and everyone is in deep reflection swaying to and fro, he’d kneel down by the stage and strike a pose on one knee, but his head down and pray as tho he was praying has hard as he could. He’d talk in great platitudes about how weird it was to go to a new church and ANC was just a place to welcome everyone, ya know? That’s how he’s end sentences, “ya know?” Whatever, I didn’t care. Somewhere, after several months @ Jackie’s he started talking more about the bikers and riding with them…. He started changing. More tats. Full beard. Buzz cut. More hats with flat brim pull way down low like an idiot. Boots and jeans that no real cowboy would ever wear. I always thought he was channeling Jesse James. Now it’s motorcycle club stuff, rings, wallet chain, cute little motorcycle gang vest thing. And inked up like crazy. Looks like he’s taken some roids or human growth hormones—- much thicker and bulkier than he was 10 years ago.

At the risk of “killing the vibe”, it sure does read as though someone asked and answered their own question. Trying to steer the convo off Jen. It only takes one person. Yes, Brandon is shallow and a made over nerd…but he’s not Jen and really, your post is super weird. Start a new thread or something dude.

Someone asked the question, sugar, and I answered it from my POV. I didn’t ask and then answer my own question. Not trying to steer any convo off Jen. To me they’re a package deal to a great extent. Neither would be where they are without the other. And, BTW, you are killing the vibe and, actually, your post is super weird. Why don’t you start and new thread, dude. What a lame weirdo. I bet your kids love you being around when they’re with their friends. You’re like the lame mom who is always worried about the sh*t that doesn’t matter, and your kiddos cringe when you’re around their friends. Lighten up, Francis.

Yep picturing him as a tortured drug addict was less offensive to me than a conniving cheating bastard. It’s all speculation but the idea of him sneaking behind Jen’s back sort killed my empathy for him. I am well aware this is all pure conjecture and it’s silly for you or I to be debating the finer points of these peoples lives. But here we are still together another day, another post.

Anonymous wrote:Well I’ve been one who kind of felt bad for Brandon being married to a narcissist for 20+ years but something shifted when I read our thread’s PI outlining a convincing story of his possible adultery. It may not even be true but it caused me to see him as more of a user. Like did he really need to post all the boobie photos of Tina? I get it’s been 2 years but come on man you’re 50 and your kids see this weird man child behavior out of you. Not to mention the endless liquor pictures. He seems about 21 emotionally, based on what puts a high emphasis upon. (Hot chick, booze, motorcycles, muscle cars, bars, concerts, sports events, expensive: hats/boots, vacations &gifts) surprisingly superficial stuff for a former pastor. Former ANCer’s was he always like this or did this escalate with his mid life crises?

Something shifted when you read an anonymous made up post with zero facts? A total conjecture? Well, actually, I was going to contact you because you are owed several millions of dollars from a deceased relative. Just need your ss#.

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Anonymous wrote:Well I’ve been one who kind of felt bad for Brandon being married to a narcissist for 20+ years but something shifted when I read our thread’s PI outlining a convincing story of his possible adultery. It may not even be true but it caused me to see him as more of a user. Like did he really need to post all the boobie photos of Tina? I get it’s been 2 years but come on man you’re 50 and your kids see this weird man child behavior out of you. Not to mention the endless liquor pictures. He seems about 21 emotionally, based on what puts a high emphasis upon. (Hot chick, booze, motorcycles, muscle cars, bars, concerts, sports events, expensive: hats/boots, vacations &gifts) surprisingly superficial stuff for a former pastor. Former ANCer’s was he always like this or did this escalate with his mid life crises?

When I went there 2008-ish. Back when they were at the Akins Highschool and through the time at Jackie’s on Manchaca, he sort of slowly morphed into what he is today. He was slight- tall and thin-ish. Wispy goatee with our the stache. Hair short and thinning. He wore normal jeans with Chuck Taylors most days and a untucked long sleeve button down with the sleeves rolled up. Maybe had a tat or two if I recall. After communion when the band was playing the final tunes, and everyone is in deep reflection swaying to and fro, he’d kneel down by the stage and strike a pose on one knee, but his head down and pray as tho he was praying has hard as he could. He’d talk in great platitudes about how weird it was to go to a new church and ANC was just a place to welcome everyone, ya know? That’s how he’s end sentences, “ya know?” Whatever, I didn’t care. Somewhere, after several months @ Jackie’s he started talking more about the bikers and riding with them…. He started changing. More tats. Full beard. Buzz cut. More hats with flat brim pull way down low like an idiot. Boots and jeans that no real cowboy would ever wear. I always thought he was channeling Jesse James. Now it’s motorcycle club stuff, rings, wallet chain, cute little motorcycle gang vest thing. And inked up like crazy. Looks like he’s taken some roids or human growth hormones—- much thicker and bulkier than he was 10 years ago.

At the risk of “killing the vibe”, it sure does read as though someone asked and answered their own question. Trying to steer the convo off Jen. It only takes one person. Yes, Brandon is shallow and a made over nerd…but he’s not Jen and really, your post is super weird. Start a new thread or something dude.

😭 Am I crazy to hope they find their way back to their authentic selves and a deeper truer faith than the one they threw away? They are still youngish, they can wake up from their fame/$ induced coma, right?! I believe they still hold a genuine affection for Jesus they just can’t quite figure out how to weave him into their current cultural norms. It got complicated so they’ve stepped way way back into these alternate personas. It feels safer behind the protective personalities they project for the masses.