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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Yes I would write an obit for my spouse! I would think most people would? Even if my spouse cheated, that’s still the parent of my child who was unjustly murdered. I would think most people would want to remember the good qualities of their spouse and celebrate their memory.

His attorney likely told him to STFU. That the one thing he’s been able to do from the outset.

Anonymous wrote:
Love the two people on this board trying to convince us BB is anything but guilty.

Are there really people besides big momma that think BB didn’t kill his wife?

Big Momma knows the truth. Even if BB has not talked to her about it. He has been able to STFU. Big Momma knows the mess her BB is in. Big Mamma knows it’s a matter of time before AP starts talking.

Anonymous wrote:
I mean, if she created all of this for an andventure? And led everyone to see me as a murderer? Heck yea, I’m gonna bring another girl to the bedroom. Specially someone that would prob piss her off.

How edgy.

Anonymous wrote:
You don't know that at all. Fetishes are just that- fetishes. If she had a bleeding disorder, maybe the thrill of being pricked with a knife is what she wanted during sex….. .

The major thing that I have a trouble with in this line of thinking is that apparently its in the record that JR said that he has not had “knife play”.. I don’t know or really care what “knife play” entails. I do “know” this. The primary reason JR entered that house was not to “knife play”. JR was a man sneaking into that house thinking it was business time. And by business time, I mean sex.

JR was reportedly fully clothed. CB was reportedly nude. call me old fashioned but if I'm JR, I'm going to be a lot more focused on getting my pants off than playing around with a knife.

Anonymous wrote:
Why hasn’t JR’s family filed civil lawsuit against BB? Clearly in OJ Simpson case the Goldman family prevailed?.

OJ was worth millions. BB is driving a uber.

You must be a neighbor who has a personal issue against BB or someone very close to the murderer psycho Joe.

Negative ghostrider, the pattern is full.

I’m not quite sure how to put this, but…I’m kind of a big deal…I’m very important. I have many leather-bound books and my apartment smells of rich mahogany.

Call me Roy.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:AP had a bond hearing on Tuesday.
Here is what happened.

Defense and Prosecutor entered several pieces of evidence. Including:
- A copy of the chats between CB and JR was entered under seal
- Multiple pictures of the scene were entered, many under seal.

Defense's Argument

- Prosecutor previously "misstated" that AP had bought plane tickets using her passport.
- She actually had used to apply for a work visa and student visa. AP was legally in the country at the time of her arrest with no intention of leaving.
- Prosecutor has not provided any actual evidence of a conspiracy. Just public statements.
- AP was actively dating multiple people, did not deny relationship with BB during police interview, but mentioned she was dating several people.
- Prosecutor overstated extent of JR's incapacitation from first shot. The Medical Examiner stated that there was possibility that JR could see and move.


Prosecutor's Argument

- Prosecutor surprised Defense with a document showing that ICE has asked to be notified if she is release from custody, and they have a warrant for her. He is afraid that if she is released and ends up in federal custody, they will deport her.
- Prosecutor stated that there is no extradition treaty with Brazil, and that the Feds do not have to acknowledge the case's priority. Feds could just deport AP and then the state of VA has no control.
- Prosecutor also argued that she is manipulative and can be manipulated, and therefore still a danger.
- Displayed a picture of JR's body. JR was clutching his stomach on his back
- Mainly re-iterated things said previously at preliminary hearing.
- Mentioned that BB took the 5th on every question during prelim.


Other facts that came out (from chat transcripts and other things referred to by both sides)

- CB and JR communicated using Fetlife and Telegram.
- JR brought up the idea of bringing a knife, CB asked about the details.
- They discussed blood play (cutting)
- CB asked JR, "Do you still want to tear off my clothes? I have a set of old pajamas you can tear"
- A set of ripped pajamas was recovered from the scene
- Pics of a knife, ropes, chains, rubber restraints were sent by JR to CB
- CB took selfie in a bathing suit and sent to husband. A few hours later sent the same selfie to JR with caption: "I sent this to my husband and he didn't even notice I lost 20 pounds"
- Judge questioned about the 45 min phone call over telegram that occurred between CB and JR
- After the phone call, JR texted: "It was great hearing your sexy voice"
- JR wrote that he had only done blood play once before, with razor blades
- CB had several superficial cuts that barely broke the skin
- JR was in the process of cutting CB with BB walked in
- CB wrote "trip to the zoo" on calendar
- CB had multiple lacerations to her neck and carotid artery. Three lacerations to the right side of her neck were the most likely the cause of death
- In the second 911 call, (mentioned but not played) BB is trying to save CB's life by applying pressure

Judge's Decision
Denied bond for two reasons.
- First, that FCPD could lose jurisdiction/control if the Feds take custody and/or deport
- Second, that AP could still pose a risk to community.

This is wild. Still doesn’t prove anything, but it’s looking more likely that CB was talking to JR. If removing pajamas were actually discussed in the chat, and then found in the house. That seems waaay too specific.

And mentioning her husband didn’t notice her. Only a woman would think of writing something like that. Sounds like their marriage was falling apart.

If the above is accurate, JR suggested the knife. Not the person he was communicating with, whoever that was.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:AP had a bond hearing on Tuesday.
Here is what happened.

Defense and Prosecutor entered several pieces of evidence. Including:
- A copy of the chats between CB and JR was entered under seal
- Multiple pictures of the scene were entered, many under seal.

Defense's Argument

- Prosecutor previously "misstated" that AP had bought plane tickets using her passport.
- She actually had used to apply for a work visa and student visa. AP was legally in the country at the time of her arrest with no intention of leaving.
- Prosecutor has not provided any actual evidence of a conspiracy. Just public statements.
- AP was actively dating multiple people, did not deny relationship with BB during police interview, but mentioned she was dating several people.
- Prosecutor overstated extent of JR's incapacitation from first shot. The Medical Examiner stated that there was possibility that JR could see and move.


Prosecutor's Argument

- Prosecutor surprised Defense with a document showing that ICE has asked to be notified if she is release from custody, and they have a warrant for her. He is afraid that if she is released and ends up in federal custody, they will deport her.
- Prosecutor stated that there is no extradition treaty with Brazil, and that the Feds do not have to acknowledge the case's priority. Feds could just deport AP and then the state of VA has no control.
- Prosecutor also argued that she is manipulative and can be manipulated, and therefore still a danger.
- Displayed a picture of JR's body. JR was clutching his stomach on his back
- Mainly re-iterated things said previously at preliminary hearing.
- Mentioned that BB took the 5th on every question during prelim.


Other facts that came out (from chat transcripts and other things referred to by both sides)

- CB and JR communicated using Fetlife and Telegram.
- JR brought up the idea of bringing a knife, CB asked about the details.
- They discussed blood play (cutting)
- CB asked JR, "Do you still want to tear off my clothes? I have a set of old pajamas you can tear"
- A set of ripped pajamas was recovered from the scene
- Pics of a knife, ropes, chains, rubber restraints were sent by JR to CB
- CB took selfie in a bathing suit and sent to husband. A few hours later sent the same selfie to JR with caption: "I sent this to my husband and he didn't even notice I lost 20 pounds"
- Judge questioned about the 45 min phone call over telegram that occurred between CB and JR
- After the phone call, JR texted: "It was great hearing your sexy voice"
- JR wrote that he had only done blood play once before, with razor blades
- CB had several superficial cuts that barely broke the skin
- JR was in the process of cutting CB with BB walked in
- CB wrote "trip to the zoo" on calendar
- CB had multiple lacerations to her neck and carotid artery. Three lacerations to the right side of her neck were the most likely the cause of death
- In the second 911 call, (mentioned but not played) BB is trying to save CB's life by applying pressure

Judge's Decision
Denied bond for two reasons.
- First, that FCPD could lose jurisdiction/control if the Feds take custody and/or deport
- Second, that AP could still pose a risk to community.

This is wild. Still doesn’t prove anything, but it’s looking more likely that CB was talking to JR. If removing pajamas were actually discussed in the chat, and then found in the house. That seems waaay too specific.

And mentioning her husband didn’t notice her. Only a woman would think of writing something like that. Sounds like their marriage was falling apart.

If the above is accurate, JR suggested the knife. Not the person he was communicating with, whoever that was.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:AP had a bond hearing on Tuesday.
Here is what happened.

Defense and Prosecutor entered several pieces of evidence. Including:
- A copy of the chats between CB and JR was entered under seal
- Multiple pictures of the scene were entered, many under seal.

Defense's Argument

- Prosecutor previously "misstated" that AP had bought plane tickets using her passport.
- She actually had used to apply for a work visa and student visa. AP was legally in the country at the time of her arrest with no intention of leaving.
- Prosecutor has not provided any actual evidence of a conspiracy. Just public statements.
- AP was actively dating multiple people, did not deny relationship with BB during police interview, but mentioned she was dating several people.
- Prosecutor overstated extent of JR's incapacitation from first shot. The Medical Examiner stated that there was possibility that JR could see and move.


Prosecutor's Argument

- Prosecutor surprised Defense with a document showing that ICE has asked to be notified if she is release from custody, and they have a warrant for her. He is afraid that if she is released and ends up in federal custody, they will deport her.
- Prosecutor stated that there is no extradition treaty with Brazil, and that the Feds do not have to acknowledge the case's priority. Feds could just deport AP and then the state of VA has no control.
- Prosecutor also argued that she is manipulative and can be manipulated, and therefore still a danger.
- Displayed a picture of JR's body. JR was clutching his stomach on his back
- Mainly re-iterated things said previously at preliminary hearing.
- Mentioned that BB took the 5th on every question during prelim.


Other facts that came out (from chat transcripts and other things referred to by both sides)

- CB and JR communicated using Fetlife and Telegram.
- JR brought up the idea of bringing a knife, CB asked about the details.
- They discussed blood play (cutting)
- CB asked JR, "Do you still want to tear off my clothes? I have a set of old pajamas you can tear"
- A set of ripped pajamas was recovered from the scene
- Pics of a knife, ropes, chains, rubber restraints were sent by JR to CB
- CB took selfie in a bathing suit and sent to husband. A few hours later sent the same selfie to JR with caption: "I sent this to my husband and he didn't even notice I lost 20 pounds"
- Judge questioned about the 45 min phone call over telegram that occurred between CB and JR
- After the phone call, JR texted: "It was great hearing your sexy voice"
- JR wrote that he had only done blood play once before, with razor blades
- CB had several superficial cuts that barely broke the skin
- JR was in the process of cutting CB with BB walked in
- CB wrote "trip to the zoo" on calendar
- CB had multiple lacerations to her neck and carotid artery. Three lacerations to the right side of her neck were the most likely the cause of death
- In the second 911 call, (mentioned but not played) BB is trying to save CB's life by applying pressure

Judge's Decision
Denied bond for two reasons.
- First, that FCPD could lose jurisdiction/control if the Feds take custody and/or deport
- Second, that AP could still pose a risk to community.

This is wild. Still doesn’t prove anything, but it’s looking more likely that CB was talking to JR. If removing pajamas were actually discussed in the chat, and then found in the house. That seems waaay too specific.

And mentioning her husband didn’t notice her. Only a woman would think of writing something like that. Sounds like their marriage was falling apart.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Yes I would write an obit for my spouse! I would think most people would? Even if my spouse cheated, that’s still the parent of my child who was unjustly murdered. I would think most people would want to remember the good qualities of their spouse and celebrate their memory.

His attorney likely told him to STFU. That the one thing he’s been able to do from the outset.

Anonymous wrote:
Love the two people on this board trying to convince us BB is anything but guilty.

Are there really people besides big momma that think BB didn’t kill his wife?

Big Momma knows the truth. Even if BB has not talked to her about it. He has been able to STFU. Big Momma knows the mess her BB is in. Big Mamma knows it’s a matter of time before AP starts talking.

Anonymous wrote:
I mean, if she created all of this for an andventure? And led everyone to see me as a murderer? Heck yea, I’m gonna bring another girl to the bedroom. Specially someone that would prob piss her off.

How edgy.

Anonymous wrote:
You don't know that at all. Fetishes are just that- fetishes. If she had a bleeding disorder, maybe the thrill of being pricked with a knife is what she wanted during sex….. .

The major thing that I have a trouble with in this line of thinking is that apparently its in the record that JR said that he has not had “knife play”.. I don’t know or really care what “knife play” entails. I do “know” this. The primary reason JR entered that house was not to “knife play”. JR was a man sneaking into that house thinking it was business time. And by business time, I mean sex.

JR was reportedly fully clothed. CB was reportedly nude. call me old fashioned but if I'm JR, I'm going to be a lot more focused on getting my pants off than playing around with a knife.

Anonymous wrote:
Why hasn’t JR’s family filed civil lawsuit against BB? Clearly in OJ Simpson case the Goldman family prevailed?.

OJ was worth millions. BB is driving a uber.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A theory just came to me! Probably dumb. But hear me out!

CB was having a consensual fetish relationship with JR. BB wasn't involved. Everything initially happened just as described- AP left with the child to go to the zoo and came back because she forgot lunches, saw the car, called BB, BB came back and went in with AP and the child to investigate. But, BB suspects CB is cheating, because theyve both cheated in the past per other posters who know them. That is the mindframe he walks in with- that she is cheating- which is why he has AP and child come in as well but tells them to stay in the basement while he goes upstairs. Then, he gets upstairs and sees the scene. CB and JR are both immediately like- it's ok it's not an attack! Since of course it looks like a sexual assault in progress. BB sees red- he is so angry that CB is cheating on him and in such a bizarre way- that's part of why he wanted the AP and the child to come in the house, too, because he wanted them to semi-witness CB cheating on BB, to turn them against her a little. Anyways, he sees red, and grabs the knife and goes, "what is going on?? this is what you want?? this is what you like??" and holds it to her throat and then kills her, in the heat of the moment, and JR grabs the knife from him at that point- and BB realizes what he's done. He pulls out his gun and shoots JR, because JR is holding the knife and can easily be passed off as an intruder, and he realizes he can pin it on JR. But the shot doesn't kill him. At this point, the AP runs upstairs, sees the scene and calls 911 immediately. JR moans in the background of the call. BB frantically grabs the phone and hangs it up. He tells her to grab the other gun and shoot him because his mind is trying to grasp at ways to pin blame on other people. So, panicked, she does. Then she calls 911 back.

Basically the AP is telling the truth as she knows it. Which is why she isn't flipping, because she truly thinks it happened this way. BB is being silent because he knows he panicked and frantically tried to frame JR and then weirdly through the AP into the mix also- he didn't have any kind of coherent story in his mind yet when LE showed up at the scene which is why from the get go, he refused to say anything. He knew enough to keep his mouth shut until he had a story. Then, AP is interviewed for 8 hours and gives her story, which never changes, because it's her true story. She doesn't know that BB stabbed CB in rage when he walked in on their knife play fetish and then shot JR to pin it on him. He probably wished she'd stayed downstairs with the kid the whole time. Maybe that's also why he entered a relationship with her , if he was worried she'd start to get suspicious about the evening, and he thought that being in a relationship with her would keep her not questioning things.

Plausible.

I agree, could be plausible. Except after the murder, why wouldn’t he have told the Au pair to go back to Brazil? Seems like she could’ve skipped town soon after. Him starting (continuing?) a relationship with her looks terrible from a guilty standpoint (and makes him a terrible father even if he’s completely innocent in this). Also if the Au pair came running to the room when she heard shouting (so dumb), why didn’t he tell her to go get the child and leave the house?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Yes I would write an obit for my spouse! I would think most people would? Even if my spouse cheated, that’s still the parent of my child who was unjustly murdered. I would think most people would want to remember the good qualities of their spouse and celebrate their memory.

His attorney likely told him to STFU. That the one thing he’s been able to do from the outset.

Anonymous wrote:
Love the two people on this board trying to convince us BB is anything but guilty.

Are there really people besides big momma that think BB didn’t kill his wife?

Big Momma knows the truth. Even if BB has not talked to her about it. He has been able to STFU. Big Momma knows the mess her BB is in. Big Mamma knows it’s a matter of time before AP starts talking.

Anonymous wrote:
I mean, if she created all of this for an andventure? And led everyone to see me as a murderer? Heck yea, I’m gonna bring another girl to the bedroom. Specially someone that would prob piss her off.

How edgy.

Anonymous wrote:
You don't know that at all. Fetishes are just that- fetishes. If she had a bleeding disorder, maybe the thrill of being pricked with a knife is what she wanted during sex….. .

The major thing that I have a trouble with in this line of thinking is that apparently its in the record that JR said that he has not had “knife play”.. I don’t know or really care what “knife play” entails. I do “know” this. The primary reason JR entered that house was not to “knife play”. JR was a man sneaking into that house thinking it was business time. And by business time, I mean sex.

JR was reportedly fully clothed. CB was reportedly nude. call me old fashioned but if I'm JR, I'm going to be a lot more focused on getting my pants off than playing around with a knife.

Anonymous wrote:
Why hasn’t JR’s family filed civil lawsuit against BB? Clearly in OJ Simpson case the Goldman family prevailed?.

OJ was worth millions. BB is driving a uber.

You must be a neighbor who has a personal issue against BB or someone very close to the murderer psycho Joe.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Todays post are all absurd. All of you and your comments need major checks on what could have happened. Slow down and think about if this was someone close to you. How would you feel if the dead was your close kin? How would you associate yourself if the AP or BB were your in circle/ what’s the level of trust now?

It is becoming more clear through evidence submitted in court that CB arranged the meeting with Joe without BB knowing. This really opens up a lot more possibilities and the new evidence carries a lot more weight than anonymous message board "friends".

You mean evidence like the fact that the messages exchanged online did not sound at all like CB’s writing and contained errors that perhaps a non native English speaker would make?

Or the fact that JR suggested knife play and the person he was communicating with assented, even though CB has a bleeding disorder that makes it extremely unlikely she would agree to that?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Yes I would write an obit for my spouse! I would think most people would? Even if my spouse cheated, that’s still the parent of my child who was unjustly murdered. I would think most people would want to remember the good qualities of their spouse and celebrate their memory.

His attorney likely told him to STFU. That the one thing he’s been able to do from the outset.

Anonymous wrote:
Love the two people on this board trying to convince us BB is anything but guilty.

Are there really people besides big momma that think BB didn’t kill his wife?

Big Momma knows the truth. Even if BB has not talked to her about it. He has been able to STFU. Big Momma knows the mess her BB is in. Big Mamma knows it’s a matter of time before AP starts talking.

Anonymous wrote:
I mean, if she created all of this for an andventure? And led everyone to see me as a murderer? Heck yea, I’m gonna bring another girl to the bedroom. Specially someone that would prob piss her off.

How edgy.

Anonymous wrote:
You don't know that at all. Fetishes are just that- fetishes. If she had a bleeding disorder, maybe the thrill of being pricked with a knife is what she wanted during sex….. .

The major thing that I have a trouble with in this line of thinking is that apparently its in the record that JR said that he has not had “knife play”.. I don’t know or really care what “knife play” entails. I do “know” this. The primary reason JR entered that house was not to “knife play”. JR was a man sneaking into that house thinking it was business time. And by business time, I mean sex.

JR was reportedly fully clothed. CB was reportedly nude. call me old fashioned but if I'm JR, I'm going to be a lot more focused on getting my pants off than playing around with a knife.

Anonymous wrote:
Why hasn’t JR’s family filed civil lawsuit against BB? Clearly in OJ Simpson case the Goldman family prevailed?.

OJ was worth millions. BB is driving a uber.

You must be a neighbor who has a personal issue against BB or someone very close to the murderer psycho Joe.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Todays post are all absurd. All of you and your comments need major checks on what could have happened. Slow down and think about if this was someone close to you. How would you feel if the dead was your close kin? How would you associate yourself if the AP or BB were your in circle/ what’s the level of trust now?

It is becoming more clear through evidence submitted in court that CB arranged the meeting with Joe without BB knowing. This really opens up a lot more possibilities and the new evidence carries a lot more weight than anonymous message board "friends".

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A theory just came to me! Probably dumb. But hear me out!

CB was having a consensual fetish relationship with JR. BB wasn't involved. Everything initially happened just as described- AP left with the child to go to the zoo and came back because she forgot lunches, saw the car, called BB, BB came back and went in with AP and the child to investigate. But, BB suspects CB is cheating, because theyve both cheated in the past per other posters who know them. That is the mindframe he walks in with- that she is cheating- which is why he has AP and child come in as well but tells them to stay in the basement while he goes upstairs. Then, he gets upstairs and sees the scene. CB and JR are both immediately like- it's ok it's not an attack! Since of course it looks like a sexual assault in progress. BB sees red- he is so angry that CB is cheating on him and in such a bizarre way- that's part of why he wanted the AP and the child to come in the house, too, because he wanted them to semi-witness CB cheating on BB, to turn them against her a little. Anyways, he sees red, and grabs the knife and goes, "what is going on?? this is what you want?? this is what you like??" and holds it to her throat and then kills her, in the heat of the moment, and JR grabs the knife from him at that point- and BB realizes what he's done. He pulls out his gun and shoots JR, because JR is holding the knife and can easily be passed off as an intruder, and he realizes he can pin it on JR. But the shot doesn't kill him. At this point, the AP runs upstairs, sees the scene and calls 911 immediately. JR moans in the background of the call. BB frantically grabs the phone and hangs it up. He tells her to grab the other gun and shoot him because his mind is trying to grasp at ways to pin blame on other people. So, panicked, she does. Then she calls 911 back.

Basically the AP is telling the truth as she knows it. Which is why she isn't flipping, because she truly thinks it happened this way. BB is being silent because he knows he panicked and frantically tried to frame JR and then weirdly through the AP into the mix also- he didn't have any kind of coherent story in his mind yet when LE showed up at the scene which is why from the get go, he refused to say anything. He knew enough to keep his mouth shut until he had a story. Then, AP is interviewed for 8 hours and gives her story, which never changes, because it's her true story. She doesn't know that BB stabbed CB in rage when he walked in on their knife play fetish and then shot JR to pin it on him. He probably wished she'd stayed downstairs with the kid the whole time. Maybe that's also why he entered a relationship with her , if he was worried she'd start to get suspicious about the evening, and he thought that being in a relationship with her would keep her not questioning things.

That’s a way more evolved way of saying what I think it happened than the post I made. I don’t think he got into a relationship w AP just bc of that but also for revenge. Like I said, bring the girl that would piss her off the most into her bedroom.