Anonymous
Post 06/06/2021 17:28     Subject: What are the top 10 universities in the USA?
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Anonymous wrote:Harvard Stanford MIT
Yale Princeton Columbia
Penn Chicago Caltech
Northwestern Duke Dartmouth Brown Berkeley
Cornell Johns Hopkins


Best list so far.


Not sure Stanford is above Yale, Princeton, Columbia. I know multiple kids who were rejected by Yale, Princeton, Columbia but admitted to Stanford.


Stanford is probably in a similar tier with Yale and Princeton, but these days perception is that Harvard and Stanford are best of best. There is a drop between HYPSM and Columbia


So what exactly is this gap between HYPSM and Columbia?


Endowment and caliber of students


Endowment yes, caliber of students I highly doubt
Anonymous
Post 06/06/2021 17:23     Subject: What are the top 10 universities in the USA?
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Harvard Stanford MIT
Yale Princeton Columbia
Penn Chicago Caltech
Northwestern Duke Dartmouth Brown Berkeley
Cornell Johns Hopkins


Best list so far.


Not sure Stanford is above Yale, Princeton, Columbia. I know multiple kids who were rejected by Yale, Princeton, Columbia but admitted to Stanford.


Stanford is probably in a similar tier with Yale and Princeton, but these days perception is that Harvard and Stanford are best of best. There is a drop between HYPSM and Columbia


Endowment yes, student caliber I highly doubt

So what exactly is this gap between HYPSM and Columbia?


Endowment and caliber of students
Anonymous
Post 06/06/2021 17:20     Subject: What are the top 10 universities in the USA?
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Anonymous wrote:Certainly Michigan, and perhaps UCLA, are at least equal to NU and Duke globally.


Not sure how they collected the data but it shows overwhelming dual admits choose NU/Duke over UCLA/Michigan, not even close.
https://www.parchment.com/c/college/tools/college-cross-admit-comparison.php?compare=Duke+University&with=University+of+California%2C+Los+Angeles

If you have doubt about the data, you may try comparing a few other schools to see how the data match your thinking of those school rankings.


When you are comparing an public with a private, you always have the cost factor. If the applicant is in-state for the public, they are getting a discount/subsidy. If they are OOS they don't get that and the value calculation is quite different. What isn't clear is what percentage of the overlaps are in-state vs. OOS, and that is significant in how you interpret the data. In general, I don't think publics, even the better ones, can provide quite the same experience as top privates, so I think paying OOS cost for that is often less attractive.

Duke vs a selection of public universities on Parchment looks like this:

35% Berkeley to 65% Duke
31% UCLA to 69% Duke
28% GT to 72% Duke
28% William and Mary to 72% Duke
23% Michigan to 77% Duke
15% UNC to 85% Duke
15% UVA to 85% Duke

Anonymous
Post 06/06/2021 17:15     Subject: What are the top 10 universities in the USA?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Harvard Stanford MIT
Yale Princeton Columbia
Penn Chicago Caltech
Northwestern Duke Dartmouth Brown Berkeley
Cornell Johns Hopkins


Best list so far.


Not sure Stanford is above Yale, Princeton, Columbia. I know multiple kids who were rejected by Yale, Princeton, Columbia but admitted to Stanford.


Stanford is probably in a similar tier with Yale and Princeton, but these days perception is that Harvard and Stanford are best of best. There is a drop between HYPSM and Columbia


So what exactly is this gap between HYPSM and Columbia?


Here is the appropriate tier:

HYPSM
Columbia Chicago Caltech Penn
Northwestern Duke
Dartmouth Brown Cornell
Johns Hopkins Berkeley
Anonymous
Post 06/06/2021 17:15     Subject: What are the top 10 universities in the USA?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Harvard Stanford MIT
Yale Princeton Columbia
Penn Chicago Caltech
Northwestern Duke Dartmouth Brown Berkeley
Cornell Johns Hopkins


Best list so far.


Not sure Stanford is above Yale, Princeton, Columbia. I know multiple kids who were rejected by Yale, Princeton, Columbia but admitted to Stanford.


Stanford is probably in a similar tier with Yale and Princeton, but these days perception is that Harvard and Stanford are best of best. There is a drop between HYPSM and Columbia


So what exactly is this gap between HYPSM and Columbia?


Endowment and caliber of students
Anonymous
Post 06/06/2021 17:09     Subject: What are the top 10 universities in the USA?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Harvard Stanford MIT
Yale Princeton Columbia
Penn Chicago Caltech
Northwestern Duke Dartmouth Brown Berkeley
Cornell Johns Hopkins


Best list so far.


Not sure Stanford is above Yale, Princeton, Columbia. I know multiple kids who were rejected by Yale, Princeton, Columbia but admitted to Stanford.


Stanford is probably in a similar tier with Yale and Princeton, but these days perception is that Harvard and Stanford are best of best. There is a drop between HYPSM and Columbia


So what exactly is this gap between HYPSM and Columbia?
Anonymous
Post 06/06/2021 17:07     Subject: What are the top 10 universities in the USA?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Harvard Stanford MIT
Yale Princeton Columbia
Penn Chicago Caltech
Northwestern Duke Dartmouth Brown Berkeley
Cornell Johns Hopkins


Best list so far.


Harvard Stanford MIT
Yale Princeton Columbia
Penn Chicago Caltech
Northwestern Duke Dartmouth Brown
Cornell Johns Hopkins
Berkeley


+1

An excellent list but Columbia should be in a tier by themselves just below Yale and Princeton. HYPSM should not share a tier with any other schools.

Harvard Stanford
Yale Princeton MIT
Columbia
Penn Chicago Caltech
Duke Northwestern Dartmouth Brown
Cornell Johns Hopkins
Berkeley

Anonymous
Post 06/06/2021 17:05     Subject: What are the top 10 universities in the USA?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Harvard Stanford MIT
Yale Princeton Columbia
Penn Chicago Caltech
Northwestern Duke Dartmouth Brown Berkeley
Cornell Johns Hopkins


Best list so far.


Not sure Stanford is above Yale, Princeton, Columbia. I know multiple kids who were rejected by Yale, Princeton, Columbia but admitted to Stanford.


Stanford is probably in a similar tier with Yale and Princeton, but these days perception is that Harvard and Stanford are best of best. There is a drop between HYPSM and Columbia
Anonymous
Post 06/06/2021 16:12     Subject: What are the top 10 universities in the USA?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Certainly Michigan, and perhaps UCLA, are at least equal to NU and Duke globally.


Not sure how they collected the data but it shows overwhelming dual admits choose NU/Duke over UCLA/Michigan, not even close.
https://www.parchment.com/c/college/tools/college-cross-admit-comparison.php?compare=Duke+University&with=University+of+California%2C+Los+Angeles

If you have doubt about the data, you may try comparing a few other schools to see how the data match your thinking of those school rankings.


Parchment is unreliable but your point is correct. I am Asian (as in I was born and raised in Asia) and am very familiar with the international school scene in East Asia and the Middle East. Both Northwestern and Duke are viewed as stronger and more prestigious schools than Michigan and UCLA (though those two schools are also highly sought after.
Anonymous
Post 06/06/2021 16:07     Subject: What are the top 10 universities in the USA?
Anonymous wrote:Certainly Michigan, and perhaps UCLA, are at least equal to NU and Duke globally.


Not sure how they collected the data but it shows overwhelming dual admits choose NU/Duke over UCLA/Michigan, not even close.
https://www.parchment.com/c/college/tools/college-cross-admit-comparison.php?compare=Duke+University&with=University+of+California%2C+Los+Angeles

If you have doubt about the data, you may try comparing a few other schools to see how the data match your thinking of those school rankings.
Anonymous
Post 06/06/2021 13:38     Subject: What are the top 10 universities in the USA?
Certainly Michigan, and perhaps UCLA, are at least equal to NU and Duke globally.
Anonymous
Post 06/06/2021 13:05     Subject: What are the top 10 universities in the USA?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Harvard Stanford MIT
Yale Princeton Columbia
Penn Chicago Caltech
Northwestern Duke Dartmouth Brown Berkeley
Cornell Johns Hopkins


Best list so far.


Harvard Stanford MIT
Yale Princeton Columbia
Penn Chicago Caltech
Northwestern Duke Dartmouth Brown
Cornell Johns Hopkins
Berkeley


An excellent list but Columbia should be in a tier by themselves just below Yale and Princeton. HYPSM should not share a tier with any other schools.

Harvard Stanford
Yale Princeton MIT
Columbia
Penn Chicago Caltech
Duke Northwestern Dartmouth Brown
Cornell Johns Hopkins
Berkeley



Even better a rank by the 40 and older crowd:

Harvard Yale Princeton
Stanford MIT
Columbia
Penn Caltech
Duke Chicago Dartmouth Brown
Northwestern Cornell Johns Hopkins
Berkeley
Anonymous
Post 06/06/2021 12:31     Subject: Re:What are the top 10 universities in the USA?
Anonymous wrote:Undergraduate:

Harvard Stanford MIT
Yale Princeton
Columbia
Penn Chicago
Northwestern Duke Dartmouth Brown
Cornell JHU
Berkeley

Overall:

Harvard
Stanford MIT
Columbia Yale
Princeton
Penn Chicago
Berkeley
Northwestern Duke


Looks about right. Although, Berkeley and Chicago should be switched.
Anonymous
Post 06/06/2021 12:28     Subject: Re:What are the top 10 universities in the USA?
Anonymous wrote:Undergraduate:

Harvard Stanford MIT
Yale Princeton
Columbia
Penn Chicago
Northwestern Duke Dartmouth Brown
Cornell JHU
Berkeley

Overall:

Harvard
Stanford MIT
Columbia Yale
Princeton
Penn Chicago
Berkeley
Northwestern Duke



Global Overall:

Boston U
UPenn
Loyola Marymount
Lafayette
Standford
Harvard
Indiana
Texas A&M

Otherwise known as: BULLSHIT
Anonymous
Post 06/06/2021 11:57     Subject: Re:What are the top 10 universities in the USA?
Undergraduate:

Harvard Stanford MIT
Yale Princeton
Columbia
Penn Chicago
Northwestern Duke Dartmouth Brown
Cornell JHU
Berkeley

Overall:

Harvard
Stanford MIT
Columbia Yale
Princeton
Penn Chicago
Berkeley
Northwestern Duke