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Anonymous wrote:It's interesting how we expect a 20 year old to make all the correct moves while in an extremely stressful situation, but we can make excuses for a 26 year veteran of the police force who "made a mistake" in the same situation that she's probably been in a few dozen times, and has been trained to handle it.

Thank you for this point, which should be abundantly obvious to anyone capable of rational thought.

I should add that I very much hope she is convicted of manslaughter and serves every one of the ten years maximum term, but my quarter century in the system leaves me with the certainty that she is likely to not be convicted, and even if she is, to serve a piddling sentence just like Oscar Grant's killer did.

Will she also be sued by the victim’s family? Not only should she not benefit from her pension but it would be nice to keep her forever tied up in court, spending money on legal fees and not letting her “walk”.

To what end?? This was an unbelievable freak accident. There is absolutely zero deterrent factor here. There isn’t even a rational punishment factor. This was horrid accident.

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Anonymous wrote:Daunte Wright committing armed robbery with a deadly weapon IS serious. Stop trying to minimize his criminal past.



Nevertheless, the tape shows the female officer here simply made a tragic mistake.

There is NO evidence of racism or bad intent here. None whatsoever.

Stop trying to minimize the fact that the color of his skin is why it even escalated to him being tased.

So the alternative is let him drive off?

YES. Apprehend him later. No one needed to die over any of this.

Huh. And what happens the next time - any reason to believe he won’t resist a third time? So we should just sit around and wait from criminals to turn themselves in when they feel like it?

There are division in the police that pick people up on warrants. That is literally their whole job.

Oh my god, here comes the NYPD blue expert. Yes, there are fugitive squads. They are there to track down very, very bad guys, and other less bad guys if they have the time. Should police just stop making arrests and rely on one small squad to later track down everyone and find them? How about when the criminal with the warrant they just let go because the criminal decided he wasn’t ready commits other crimes. Are you serious? You have no idea how policing works.

Policing here. Not policing everywhere.

How do they apprehend fugitives in countries where most police don't carry guns? Let's try that.

Even in the US, most criminals are “apprehended” without drawing weapons. That’s because most subjects comply. Resistance is when risks increase for officers. And because the US is awash in guns, police are very much on edge.

And in case you didn’t notice, this officer attempted to use less than lethal force but made a really bad mistake.

I don't mean Kim Potter should have tried whatever is routinely done elsewhere. I mean maybe we start over, disarm most police, and standard practice becomes apprehensions the way they are done in places where most police are not armed. Because the way we are doing it, it doesn't seem to be working too well.

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Anonymous wrote:Is it weird that the vast majority of men who have been shot by police recently have 1) physically resisted arrest, AND 2) have criminal records for violence (often against women). What are the chances of that?

That's a pretty idiotic statement (and you know that). First, violence against women isn't a statistic that is led by Black men. It's all too common among all races. The common thread here is that Black men are more likely to be shot by police during a traffic stop. Resisting arrest and having a criminal record are crimes that should be punished by the legal system (in court)...not on the street by a racist cop.

Follow the law, comply with police orders, and don't resist arrest or attempt to flee. You're almost certain to live. Simple.

Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

That's a stupid comment. Many recently killed citizens were complying with police orders when they were shot...or the police escalated the situation to a point where deadly force was used.

It must be nice for you to be able to just tell yourself (or your sons) that beautiful lie.

And yet, many, many magnitudes more comply and don’t get hurt. Yes there are exceptions but your chances are near certain.

I think everyone agrees that you need to comply with the cop's orders. You're not really making any point here.
The 20 year old made a mistake and probably should've been tased for it. I would rather see him tased instead of getting in a physical altercation and "forcing" the cop to use deadly force.

He made a mistake, she possibly made a mistake. He is dead. My point is that this should've ended with him in handcuffs for having a warrant. There's no use in arguing about who was right and who was wrong. They were both wrong.

Thank you, I agree with this, this is one of the most rational responses on this thread. They both messed up. The problem is really pretty much every time it starts with a man resisting arrest and cascades from there. What is so frustrating is this idea that cops should just let people go and get ‘em next time. I just don’t even know where to start with that.

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Anonymous wrote:It's interesting how we expect a 20 year old to make all the correct moves while in an extremely stressful situation, but we can make excuses for a 26 year veteran of the police force who "made a mistake" in the same situation that she's probably been in a few dozen times, and has been trained to handle it.

Thank you for this point, which should be abundantly obvious to anyone capable of rational thought.

I should add that I very much hope she is convicted of manslaughter and serves every one of the ten years maximum term, but my quarter century in the system leaves me with the certainty that she is likely to not be convicted, and even if she is, to serve a piddling sentence just like Oscar Grant's killer did.

Page 108: Manslaughter 2nd Degree, Culpable Negligence - severity level 8
https://mn.gov/msgc-stat/documents/Guidelines/2020/August2020MinnSentencingGuidelinesCommentary.pdf

Sentencing guidelines grid (they don’t list every offense under a severity level, hence the first document): https://mn.gov/msgc-stat/documents/Guidelines/2020/2020StandardSentencingGuidelinesGrid.pdf

Severity level 8 with a criminal history score of 0 has a sentencing guideline of 48 months. In MN, a person serves 2/3 of their term before being eligible for release.

The state can file for an upward departure from the sentencing guidelines in a separate hearing in MN. I don’t know enough about this case yet to say if there are factors they could cite.

When I was 29 I was driving my red Jeep Wrangler at two am on a work day in middle of week. I was dead sober. Car registered and insured. I actually was coming from my girlfriends house. She lived at home, we fell asleep a bit watching tv on coach.

I noticed what would like a cop car way back behind me last mile. I was going straight to Queens NY boarder. Nassau county cops unless hot pursuit can’t cross boarder.

Well right before line out of nowhere an unmarked cop car slams on brakes in front. Cop behind boxes me me and a third one is beside me.

I get a loaded hand gun pointed at head and hands on dash board now. I am like what. I did it. The gun was a few inches my head

Guy finished running plate, the. Puts gun away. Gets my license and registration. I was literally one block from my house .

Turns out a red keep wrangler was car jacked at gun pointed like 15 minutes earlier and description was a young white guy with brown hair. My description. He says was running plate but I was about to cross boarder so they pinned me.

He looked nervous and so did cops. These Are sleepy suburban cops approaching a possible car jacker with a gun in a running car.

I could have easily been shot. Now imagine I was black teenager, expired plates and a warrant on that same pull over. Then started refusing orders and trying to video tape

These cops were amped up.

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Anonymous wrote:Is it weird that the vast majority of men who have been shot by police recently have 1) physically resisted arrest, AND 2) have criminal records for violence (often against women). What are the chances of that?

That's a pretty idiotic statement (and you know that). First, violence against women isn't a statistic that is led by Black men. It's all too common among all races. The common thread here is that Black men are more likely to be shot by police during a traffic stop. Resisting arrest and having a criminal record are crimes that should be punished by the legal system (in court)...not on the street by a racist cop.

Follow the law, comply with police orders, and don't resist arrest or attempt to flee. You're almost certain to live. Simple.

Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

That's a stupid comment. Many recently killed citizens were complying with police orders when they were shot...or the police escalated the situation to a point where deadly force was used.

It must be nice for you to be able to just tell yourself (or your sons) that beautiful lie.

How many is "many?" How recent is "recently?" Can you name some of these citizens? I'm not being snarky. I really don't know of any instances like this "recently" (which my definition would be in the last year or so...but your definition might be different.)

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Daunte Wright committing armed robbery with a deadly weapon IS serious. Stop trying to minimize his criminal past.



Nevertheless, the tape shows the female officer here simply made a tragic mistake.

There is NO evidence of racism or bad intent here. None whatsoever.

Stop trying to minimize the fact that the color of his skin is why it even escalated to him being tased.

So the alternative is let him drive off?

YES. Apprehend him later. No one needed to die over any of this.

Huh. And what happens the next time - any reason to believe he won’t resist a third time? So we should just sit around and wait from criminals to turn themselves in when they feel like it?

There are division in the police that pick people up on warrants. That is literally their whole job.

Oh my god, here comes the NYPD blue expert. Yes, there are fugitive squads. They are there to track down very, very bad guys, and other less bad guys if they have the time. Should police just stop making arrests and rely on one small squad to later track down everyone and find them? How about when the criminal with the warrant they just let go because the criminal decided he wasn’t ready commits other crimes. Are you serious? You have no idea how policing works.

Policing here. Not policing everywhere.

How do they apprehend fugitives in countries where most police don't carry guns? Let's try that.

Even in the US, most criminals are “apprehended” without drawing weapons. That’s because most subjects comply. Resistance is when risks increase for officers. And because the US is awash in guns, police are very much on edge.

And in case you didn’t notice, this officer attempted to use less than lethal force but made a really bad mistake.

There are a lot of people in jail who made “bad mistakes”.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Is it weird that the vast majority of men who have been shot by police recently have 1) physically resisted arrest, AND 2) have criminal records for violence (often against women). What are the chances of that?

That's a pretty idiotic statement (and you know that). First, violence against women isn't a statistic that is led by Black men. It's all too common among all races. The common thread here is that Black men are more likely to be shot by police during a traffic stop. Resisting arrest and having a criminal record are crimes that should be punished by the legal system (in court)...not on the street by a racist cop.

Follow the law, comply with police orders, and don't resist arrest or attempt to flee. You're almost certain to live. Simple.

Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

That's a stupid comment. Many recently killed citizens were complying with police orders when they were shot...or the police escalated the situation to a point where deadly force was used.

It must be nice for you to be able to just tell yourself (or your sons) that beautiful lie.

And yet, many, many magnitudes more comply and don’t get hurt. Yes there are exceptions but your chances are near certain.

I think everyone agrees that you need to comply with the cop's orders. You're not really making any point here.
The 20 year old made a mistake and probably should've been tased for it. I would rather see him tased instead of getting in a physical altercation and "forcing" the cop to use deadly force.

He made a mistake, she possibly made a mistake. He is dead. My point is that this should've ended with him in handcuffs for having a warrant. There's no use in arguing about who was right and who was wrong. They were both wrong.

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Anonymous wrote:Is it weird that the vast majority of men who have been shot by police recently have 1) physically resisted arrest, AND 2) have criminal records for violence (often against women). What are the chances of that?

That's a pretty idiotic statement (and you know that). First, violence against women isn't a statistic that is led by Black men. It's all too common among all races. The common thread here is that Black men are more likely to be shot by police during a traffic stop. Resisting arrest and having a criminal record are crimes that should be punished by the legal system (in court)...not on the street by a racist cop.

Follow the law, comply with police orders, and don't resist arrest or attempt to flee. You're almost certain to live. Simple.

Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

Nope, not true.

Yes, true. About 1000 people a year are killed by the police. Presumably, the vast majority are justified. Even if not, the vast majority of the public interacts safely with the police.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Daunte Wright committing armed robbery with a deadly weapon IS serious. Stop trying to minimize his criminal past.



Nevertheless, the tape shows the female officer here simply made a tragic mistake.

There is NO evidence of racism or bad intent here. None whatsoever.

Stop trying to minimize the fact that the color of his skin is why it even escalated to him being tased.

So the alternative is let him drive off?

YES. Apprehend him later. No one needed to die over any of this.

Huh. And what happens the next time - any reason to believe he won’t resist a third time? So we should just sit around and wait from criminals to turn themselves in when they feel like it?

There are division in the police that pick people up on warrants. That is literally their whole job.

Oh my god, here comes the NYPD blue expert. Yes, there are fugitive squads. They are there to track down very, very bad guys, and other less bad guys if they have the time. Should police just stop making arrests and rely on one small squad to later track down everyone and find them? How about when the criminal with the warrant they just let go because the criminal decided he wasn’t ready commits other crimes. Are you serious? You have no idea how policing works.

Policing here. Not policing everywhere.

How do they apprehend fugitives in countries where most police don't carry guns? Let's try that.

Even in the US, most criminals are “apprehended” without drawing weapons. That’s because most subjects comply. Resistance is when risks increase for officers. And because the US is awash in guns, police are very much on edge.

And in case you didn’t notice, this officer attempted to use less than lethal force but made a really bad mistake.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Is it weird that the vast majority of men who have been shot by police recently have 1) physically resisted arrest, AND 2) have criminal records for violence (often against women). What are the chances of that?

That's a pretty idiotic statement (and you know that). First, violence against women isn't a statistic that is led by Black men. It's all too common among all races. The common thread here is that Black men are more likely to be shot by police during a traffic stop. Resisting arrest and having a criminal record are crimes that should be punished by the legal system (in court)...not on the street by a racist cop.

Follow the law, comply with police orders, and don't resist arrest or attempt to flee. You're almost certain to live. Simple.

Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

That's a stupid comment. Many recently killed citizens were complying with police orders when they were shot...or the police escalated the situation to a point where deadly force was used.

It must be nice for you to be able to just tell yourself (or your sons) that beautiful lie.

And yet, many, many magnitudes more comply and don’t get hurt. Yes there are exceptions but your chances are near certain.

What comes just after the end of that video is Daniel Shaver being executed by a rageful cop for ABSOLUTELY NO ACCEPTABLE REASON.

This problem with violence in American policing transcends racism, although racism is certainly a huge factor. Bottom line is that we have far too many violent cops who are ridiculously trigger happy and think of us as targets.

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/12/a-police-killing-without-a-hint-of-racism/546983/