Anonymous
Post 06/24/2021 00:39     Subject: Framing Britney Spears
Is there some sort of limited conservatorship where there can be some oversight over big things like large financial transactions while allowing her to maintain a social life etc?
Anonymous
Post 06/24/2021 00:28     Subject: Re:Framing Britney Spears
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I believe she was practically broke when her dad stepped in and now is worth 65 million. And based on her SM posts Ikd say she seems manic or bipolar. Sadly easy for some one, like a boyfriend, to take advantage of her. I feel sorry for her.




Millions of people struggle with mental illness. We usually try to help them manage it. We don’t strip them of their rights.


Again unless you know people with mental illness how could you know this. A lot of very mentally ill people under would be stripped of their rights in some form. When you are severely mentally ill you can not function in a normal way 100% of the time.

Severely mentally ill people in this country that do not have the fortune Brittany has have less rights than she does. They have forced medical injections, are put in homes were they are constantly monitored if they are not kept in a mental facility. They are forced to live with people who might be more mentally ill than them. Many decisions are not theirs to make. Up until about a decade ago they underwent forced experimental therapies like electro shocks and lobotomies, and a few decades before that they were totally shut away from the world in isolation.

There is also something they call workshop where people go to work to get skills but it's really just labor for $2 per hour boxing products and etc. Many of them don't have very many rights.

We are talking about severe mental impairment. You can be severely mentally impaired sometimes, but appear functional at others.


If she’s functional enough to perform onstage nightly in front of millions of people in order to make millions of dollars, then she’s functional enough to have rights. And if she is truly so impaired that she can’t make any of her own decisions, then how can she consent to being made to shake her ass half-naked onstage for money?
Anonymous
Post 06/24/2021 00:23     Subject: Framing Britney Spears
I don't get how Dad can have her working all those hours, travel, etc. and justify it if she is that mentally ill.
Anonymous
Post 06/24/2021 00:22     Subject: Re:Framing Britney Spears
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I believe she was practically broke when her dad stepped in and now is worth 65 million. And based on her SM posts Ikd say she seems manic or bipolar. Sadly easy for some one, like a boyfriend, to take advantage of her. I feel sorry for her.






Severely mentally ill people in this country that do not have the fortune Brittany has have less rights than she does. They have forced medical injections, are put in homes were they are constantly monitored if they are not kept in a mental facility. They are forced to live with people who might be more mentally ill than them. Many decisions are not theirs to make. Up until about a decade ago they underwent forced experimental therapies like electro shocks and lobotomies, and a few decades before that they were totally shut away from the world in isolation.

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Sorry i wanted to correct myself not a decade ago here I am forgetting how much progress we have made. Up until the 1980's.
Anonymous
Post 06/24/2021 00:21     Subject: Framing Britney Spears
I went to her Instagram and watched a couple of her videos where she is “spinning” and than another video where she is answering a question. I am not an American so I cannot be really 100% sure but her way of talking and body movement is very off. It is like she has an intellectual disability or something.
Anonymous
Post 06/24/2021 00:21     Subject: Re:Framing Britney Spears
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I believe she was practically broke when her dad stepped in and now is worth 65 million. And based on her SM posts Ikd say she seems manic or bipolar. Sadly easy for some one, like a boyfriend, to take advantage of her. I feel sorry for her.




Millions of people struggle with mental illness. We usually try to help them manage it. We don’t strip them of their rights.


Again unless you know people with mental illness how could you know this. A lot of very mentally ill people under would be stripped of their rights in some form. When you are severely mentally ill you can not function in a normal way 100% of the time.

Severely mentally ill people in this country that do not have the fortune Brittany has have less rights than she does. They have forced medical injections, are put in homes were they are constantly monitored if they are not kept in a mental facility. They are forced to live with people who might be more mentally ill than them. Many decisions are not theirs to make. Up until about a decade ago they underwent forced experimental therapies like electro shocks and lobotomies, and a few decades before that they were totally shut away from the world in isolation.

There is also something they call workshop where people go to work to get skills but it's really just labor for $2 per hour boxing products and etc. Many of them don't have very many rights.

We are talking about severe mental impairment. You can be severely mentally impaired sometimes, but appear functional at others.
Anonymous
Post 06/24/2021 00:01     Subject: Framing Britney Spears
When I watch the little videos she posts, she no longer just seems "simple and sweet" which is how SO MANY people have described her. She seems a little ... unwell in the head. I don't know exactly what's wrong - maybe it's her own brain chemistry, maybe it's the medication she takes, who knows?

I don't know if Sam wants a kid and maybe she wants to give him one. I don't know if he'd be a super involved father. Maybe if he would, him plus a good nanny would be okay for Britney to have a baby.
Anonymous
Post 06/23/2021 23:56     Subject: Re:Framing Britney Spears
Anonymous wrote:I believe she was practically broke when her dad stepped in and now is worth 65 million. And based on her SM posts Ikd say she seems manic or bipolar. Sadly easy for some one, like a boyfriend, to take advantage of her. I feel sorry for her.




Millions of people struggle with mental illness. We usually try to help them manage it. We don’t strip them of their rights.
Anonymous
Post 06/23/2021 23:52     Subject: Re:Framing Britney Spears
i'm not going to stay on this thread but the person who did disagree with me can I ask what you know about mental illness to be so sure that you are right?

Also remember that just because a cat has a tail, that does not mean that every animal with a tail is a cat.

Just because someone appears to be fine, likewise does not mean that they are.

Even Britany admitted that today.

But again I can be wrong. I just wanted to put some insight into an opposing side.

This isn't easy for anyone. And its heartbreaking whatever the story is. I feel bad for her and I feel bad for her children. I know that growing up with a mentally ill mother was not easy and it never will be.

I wish the best for her. And if it is true I hope that someone else takes over for her, or that she can figure out a better arrangement overall.
Anonymous
Post 06/23/2021 23:48     Subject: Re:Framing Britney Spears
I believe she was practically broke when her dad stepped in and now is worth 65 million. And based on her SM posts Ikd say she seems manic or bipolar. Sadly easy for some one, like a boyfriend, to take advantage of her. I feel sorry for her.


Anonymous
Post 06/23/2021 23:39     Subject: Framing Britney Spears
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Is it legal to force sterilize someone?




Uh huh. Was your mom earning 100 million dollars during this time and performing multiple shows and recording albums? Britney is clearly competent enough for those things. Hard to imagine she’s well enough to do all that but too mentally ill to make her own decisions.


not all mental illness is equal no my mom would not be able to do those things. But my mother is schizophrenic. There are other mental illnesses like bipolar where the sufferer only experiences illness in episodes. It's not constant. She might be able to make decisions even 80% of the time but what about to 20% of the time when she is severely impaired. And depending on what that person does during severe impairment is crucial.

My mom is better much of the time but there was one instant when the SWAT team had to remove me from our home.

I'm saying we don't know the entire story. I could be wrong but I was just trying to make sense of an opposing side because we really only seem to ever hear her side.

Again I said I don't expect anyone who has never first hand experience what it's like to understand it or grasp it. I probably wouldn't be able to either.

Anonymous
Post 06/23/2021 23:34     Subject: Framing Britney Spears
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Is it legal to force sterilize someone?


Brittany is not sterilized and yes it's legal to make medical decisions for someone who can not.

Might I chime in here even though i'm sure many people might not like what I have to say, and of course i might be totally wrong because i don't know Brittany and he actual medical condition. None of us can know.

My mom is seriously mentally ill. I feel if you don't know someone with mental illness it's hard to understand or relate to things that seem uncalled for or inhumane.

Severely mentally ill people can not care for themselves or others. Many have anosognosia where they are in denial or don't know that they are ill. My mom has anosognosia she is 64 years old and for my entire life of 37 years she has been been trying to convince everyone around her that she is fine. She believes that she is fine and the world is out to get her. It brings her such agony and distress. She 100% believes she is fine and everything is against her and necessary. She had been in a conservatorship under her mother for 36 years.

With medication she can be more functional. However with anosognosia the sufferer doesn't think there is anything wrong with them and it's a cycle of fighting for freedom, obtaining it, then not caring for themself and going off their meds and then ending up in a terrible state back in a mental facility on heavy drugs like Lithium and then released and so on. My mom managed to get her freedom in my lifetime 6x. It's all she ever talks about and when she has it, it becomes a quick downward spiral every single time. At times she can be very convincing. She can not be on her own. Mental illness can not be cured, and she will never get better, and she will never have the freedom she desires. When she is on her own she is a danger to herself and others around her.

This is sadly her life.

There were times when she wanted more kids and all of that and she was not allowed to because she could not care for me and she could not care for herself. She left me unattended, and would put my life directly in danger many times. Sometimes she was violent, sometimes she was neglectful, and sometimes she was delusional.

Not allowing Brittany to have kids might be in the interest of the kid that she could not take care of. with someone in the public eye like Brittany it would just be such a scandal and such medical negligence to put her on something as strong as lithium if she didn't need it, to take custody of her children away, and etc.

But again what do we know. Maybe it is all one big scandal.

Maybe her dad is taking advantage of the situation how can we know, but it's important to keep in mind that there might be more to the situation than we know.

Even if she isn't being mishandled I feel very badly for her. I know that my mom suffers everyday thinking the world is against her, being forced on meds she doesn't want and thinks she doesn't need, having her life controlled pretty much for the most of it. But if this didn't happen she would be on the streets, or maybe hurting herself or someone else unintentionally.


Uh huh. Was your mom earning 100 million dollars during this time and performing multiple shows and recording albums? Britney is clearly competent enough for those things. Hard to imagine she’s well enough to do all that but too mentally ill to make her own decisions.


Yeah, I agre 100%. Take a risk and let her live her life.
Anonymous
Post 06/23/2021 23:32     Subject: Framing Britney Spears
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Is it legal to force sterilize someone?


Brittany is not sterilized and yes it's legal to make medical decisions for someone who can not.

Might I chime in here even though i'm sure many people might not like what I have to say, and of course i might be totally wrong because i don't know Brittany and he actual medical condition. None of us can know.

My mom is seriously mentally ill. I feel if you don't know someone with mental illness it's hard to understand or relate to things that seem uncalled for or inhumane.

Severely mentally ill people can not care for themselves or others. Many have anosognosia where they are in denial or don't know that they are ill. My mom has anosognosia she is 64 years old and for my entire life of 37 years she has been been trying to convince everyone around her that she is fine. She believes that she is fine and the world is out to get her. It brings her such agony and distress. She 100% believes she is fine and everything is against her and necessary. She had been in a conservatorship under her mother for 36 years.

With medication she can be more functional. However with anosognosia the sufferer doesn't think there is anything wrong with them and it's a cycle of fighting for freedom, obtaining it, then not caring for themself and going off their meds and then ending up in a terrible state back in a mental facility on heavy drugs like Lithium and then released and so on. My mom managed to get her freedom in my lifetime 6x. It's all she ever talks about and when she has it, it becomes a quick downward spiral every single time. At times she can be very convincing. She can not be on her own. Mental illness can not be cured, and she will never get better, and she will never have the freedom she desires. When she is on her own she is a danger to herself and others around her.

This is sadly her life.

There were times when she wanted more kids and all of that and she was not allowed to because she could not care for me and she could not care for herself. She left me unattended, and would put my life directly in danger many times. Sometimes she was violent, sometimes she was neglectful, and sometimes she was delusional.

Not allowing Brittany to have kids might be in the interest of the kid that she could not take care of. with someone in the public eye like Brittany it would just be such a scandal and such medical negligence to put her on something as strong as lithium if she didn't need it, to take custody of her children away, and etc.

But again what do we know. Maybe it is all one big scandal.

Maybe her dad is taking advantage of the situation how can we know, but it's important to keep in mind that there might be more to the situation than we know.

Even if she isn't being mishandled I feel very badly for her. I know that my mom suffers everyday thinking the world is against her, being forced on meds she doesn't want and thinks she doesn't need, having her life controlled pretty much for the most of it. But if this didn't happen she would be on the streets, or maybe hurting herself or someone else unintentionally.


Uh huh. Was your mom earning 100 million dollars during this time and performing multiple shows and recording albums? Britney is clearly competent enough for those things. Hard to imagine she’s well enough to do all that but too mentally ill to make her own decisions.
Anonymous
Post 06/23/2021 23:11     Subject: Framing Britney Spears
Anonymous wrote:Is it legal to force sterilize someone?


Brittany is not sterilized and yes it's legal to make medical decisions for someone who can not.

Might I chime in here even though i'm sure many people might not like what I have to say, and of course i might be totally wrong because i don't know Brittany and he actual medical condition. None of us can know.

My mom is seriously mentally ill. I feel if you don't know someone with mental illness it's hard to understand or relate to things that seem uncalled for or inhumane.

Severely mentally ill people can not care for themselves or others. Many have anosognosia where they are in denial or don't know that they are ill. My mom has anosognosia she is 64 years old and for my entire life of 37 years she has been been trying to convince everyone around her that she is fine. She believes that she is fine and the world is out to get her. It brings her such agony and distress. She 100% believes she is fine and everything is against her and necessary. She had been in a conservatorship under her mother for 36 years.

With medication she can be more functional. However with anosognosia the sufferer doesn't think there is anything wrong with them and it's a cycle of fighting for freedom, obtaining it, then not caring for themself and going off their meds and then ending up in a terrible state back in a mental facility on heavy drugs like Lithium and then released and so on. My mom managed to get her freedom in my lifetime 6x. It's all she ever talks about and when she has it, it becomes a quick downward spiral every single time. At times she can be very convincing. She can not be on her own. Mental illness can not be cured, and she will never get better, and she will never have the freedom she desires. When she is on her own she is a danger to herself and others around her.

This is sadly her life.

There were times when she wanted more kids and all of that and she was not allowed to because she could not care for me and she could not care for herself. She left me unattended, and would put my life directly in danger many times. Sometimes she was violent, sometimes she was neglectful, and sometimes she was delusional.

Not allowing Brittany to have kids might be in the interest of the kid that she could not take care of. with someone in the public eye like Brittany it would just be such a scandal and such medical negligence to put her on something as strong as lithium if she didn't need it, to take custody of her children away, and etc.

But again what do we know. Maybe it is all one big scandal.

Maybe her dad is taking advantage of the situation how can we know, but it's important to keep in mind that there might be more to the situation than we know.

Even if she isn't being mishandled I feel very badly for her. I know that my mom suffers everyday thinking the world is against her, being forced on meds she doesn't want and thinks she doesn't need, having her life controlled pretty much for the most of it. But if this didn't happen she would be on the streets, or maybe hurting herself or someone else unintentionally.
Anonymous
Post 06/23/2021 23:05     Subject: Framing Britney Spears
Anonymous wrote:The full transcript is so sad. How awful for her.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/variety.com/2021/music/news/britney-spears-full-statement-conservatorship-1235003940/amp/


I'm pissed.