Anonymous
02/03/2020 16:32
Subject: What’s wrong with William & Mary?
PP above: My DD is a sophomore at W&M. She says this re:men. Most of the male socializing she sees is frat and sorority— her viewpoint— easy for a woman to socialize without a sorority but hard for a man. Because frats throw the parties ( which are pretty low key and self regulated). Women can attend but men need to be members. That’s the social structure. Men who don’t do frats tend to think it’s not the most fun place. It’s a fairly serious school anyway.
Anonymous
02/03/2020 16:23
Subject: What’s wrong with William & Mary?
Anonymous wrote:I think it’s pretty funny that guys applying think there are too many women at W&M. What a problem to have. My DH went to a school with far more men than women. Made it harder not Easier to date. But I don’t think W&M is really hurting from losing these guys.
It's not that it has too many women. I'm the PP who said we toured and were disappointed that the students involved in admissions were 100% female. DS is fine with going to a school that is majority female (he'd better be since most colleges are majority female!). It was more of the impact on the emotional response, just makes it hard to see yourself there. He still plans to apply but will want to talk to some male students about their experience if he gets in to help him decide on the fit.
I don't think anyone would find it odd that a girl would be put off but an admissions reception that included no women, esp at a school that skews male so I don't see why a boy can't have the same response.
Anonymous
02/03/2020 13:58
Subject: What’s wrong with William & Mary?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Fantastic school. $40K for instate tuition is too high.
That includes everything, Tuition, fees, room, board, books and travel.
PP here - still too high. UMD tuition, fees, room + board is ~ $25K
W&M isn't competing with UMD for students. Not a problem.
The real competition is with UVA. UVA is slightly cheaper COA for first year, but charges more for some schools once you enroll in your 2nd/3rd years and has the usual tuition increases each year. W&M commits to a tuition freeze (so whatever tuition you paid first year is the tuition you pay for all 4) and doesn't have the specialized schools higher costs.
UVA also has the tuition freeze. When DC started there in fall of 2016, tuition was $8K per term and that's what we are still paying in fourth year. [b] But you have to sign up for it (somewhere in the paperwork they send).
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Do you pay more initially to have the tuition frozen? (I imagine you would otherwise wouldn't they just advertise it as their price?) W&M just has it as the general default for everyone.
Not at all. Just checked off the box. So fourth year student living off campus (no car, reduced meal costs, sharing cheap apartment with three others) is $8K per term for a total of $16K for tuition. There's also this. https://www.richmond.com/news/virginia/uva-accepts-state-s-tuition-incentive-rolling-back-some-increases/article_1e11c716-5dbc-5ec7-b0e3-e515388aebad.html
I think you are talking about the guaranteed tuition plan. You pay more than what someone not enrolled in that plan pays the first year, but you are guaranteed not to have increases in tuition (though there may be increases in fees, room and board, and specialized school fees): https://sfs.virginia.edu/guarantee
This is different that the overall tuition freeze that UVA accepted for the 2019-2020 year.
Anonymous
02/03/2020 13:41
Subject: What’s wrong with William & Mary?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Fantastic school. $40K for instate tuition is too high.
That includes everything, Tuition, fees, room, board, books and travel.
PP here - still too high. UMD tuition, fees, room + board is ~ $25K
W&M isn't competing with UMD for students. Not a problem.
The real competition is with UVA. UVA is slightly cheaper COA for first year, but charges more for some schools once you enroll in your 2nd/3rd years and has the usual tuition increases each year. W&M commits to a tuition freeze (so whatever tuition you paid first year is the tuition you pay for all 4) and doesn't have the specialized schools higher costs.
UVA also has the tuition freeze. When DC started there in fall of 2016, tuition was $8K per term and that's what we are still paying in fourth year. [b] But you have to sign up for it (somewhere in the paperwork they send).
[/b]
Do you pay more initially to have the tuition frozen? (I imagine you would otherwise wouldn't they just advertise it as their price?) W&M just has it as the general default for everyone.
Not at all. Just checked off the box. So fourth year student living off campus (no car, reduced meal costs, sharing cheap apartment with three others) is $8K per term for a total of $16K for tuition. There's also this. https://www.richmond.com/news/virginia/uva-accepts-state-s-tuition-incentive-rolling-back-some-increases/article_1e11c716-5dbc-5ec7-b0e3-e515388aebad.html
Anonymous
02/03/2020 10:25
Subject: What’s wrong with William & Mary?
I think it’s pretty funny that guys applying think there are too many women at W&M. What a problem to have. My DH went to a school with far more men than women. Made it harder not Easier to date. But I don’t think W&M is really hurting from losing these guys.
Anonymous
02/03/2020 10:16
Subject: Re:What’s wrong with William & Mary?
It’s a beautiful school with some romantic places.
Anonymous
02/02/2020 18:15
Subject: What’s wrong with William & Mary?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Fantastic school. $40K for instate tuition is too high.
That includes everything, Tuition, fees, room, board, books and travel.
PP here - still too high. UMD tuition, fees, room + board is ~ $25K
W&M isn't competing with UMD for students. Not a problem.
Understood. Yet it is still comparable. There aren’t many (any?) schools charging an in-state rate that high.
UVA gets fairly close when you factor in additional costs for different schools and the fact that tuition increases each year (or you pay extra to be enrolled in tuition freeze). But W&M is really more like a public liberal arts college--since it only has 6000 undergrads and a highly developed liberal arts core, so interested students are often comparing it to the cost of attending a private school. Its peer institutions that are national private liberal arts colleges cost far more. But this is all part of the "hard to classify" quality of W&M. I think it's doing great--it consistently attracts a really high caliber of students and serves them well--they have great graduation rates, excellent career and grad school outcomes, and high alumni engagement.
One weird fact I heard--not sure of its accuracy--is that 25% of W&M alumni eventually marry other W&M alumni so something about the school creates bonds...
4 people in my immediate family + nieces and nephews attended W&M and one of them married a fellow alumni, so 25%. This article suggests that 28% of people who attend college marry someone from the same college: https://www.businessinsider.com/28-people-marry-attended-same-college-2013-10
Anonymous
02/02/2020 18:09
Subject: What’s wrong with William & Mary?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Fantastic school. $40K for instate tuition is too high.
That includes everything, Tuition, fees, room, board, books and travel.
PP here - still too high. UMD tuition, fees, room + board is ~ $25K
W&M isn't competing with UMD for students. Not a problem.
Understood. Yet it is still comparable. There aren’t many (any?) schools charging an in-state rate that high.
UVA gets fairly close when you factor in additional costs for different schools and the fact that tuition increases each year (or you pay extra to be enrolled in tuition freeze). But W&M is really more like a public liberal arts college--since it only has 6000 undergrads and a highly developed liberal arts core, so interested students are often comparing it to the cost of attending a private school. Its peer institutions that are national private liberal arts colleges cost far more. But this is all part of the "hard to classify" quality of W&M. I think it's doing great--it consistently attracts a really high caliber of students and serves them well--they have great graduation rates, excellent career and grad school outcomes, and high alumni engagement.
One weird fact I heard--not sure of its accuracy--is that 25% of W&M alumni eventually marry other W&M alumni so something about the school creates bonds...
One thing that struck me about the four lead donors for the Kaplan Arena renovation and new sports performance center is that they are actually two married alumni couples (Katie Garrett Boehly ’95 and Todd Boehly ’96, and Jennifer Tepper Mackesy ’91 and D. Scott Mackesy ’91).
https://www.wm.edu/news/stories/2020/wm-announces-kaplan-arena-revitalization-and-new-sports-performance-center.php
Anonymous
02/02/2020 17:46
Subject: What’s wrong with William & Mary?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Fantastic school. $40K for instate tuition is too high.
That includes everything, Tuition, fees, room, board, books and travel.
PP here - still too high. UMD tuition, fees, room + board is ~ $25K
W&M isn't competing with UMD for students. Not a problem.
Understood. Yet it is still comparable. There aren’t many (any?) schools charging an in-state rate that high.
UVA gets fairly close when you factor in additional costs for different schools and the fact that tuition increases each year (or you pay extra to be enrolled in tuition freeze). But W&M is really more like a public liberal arts college--since it only has 6000 undergrads and a highly developed liberal arts core, so interested students are often comparing it to the cost of attending a private school. Its peer institutions that are national private liberal arts colleges cost far more. But this is all part of the "hard to classify" quality of W&M. I think it's doing great--it consistently attracts a really high caliber of students and serves them well--they have great graduation rates, excellent career and grad school outcomes, and high alumni engagement.
One weird fact I heard--not sure of its accuracy--is that 25% of W&M alumni eventually marry other W&M alumni so something about the school creates bonds...
Anonymous
02/02/2020 17:27
Subject: What’s wrong with William & Mary?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Fantastic school. $40K for instate tuition is too high.
That includes everything, Tuition, fees, room, board, books and travel.
PP here - still too high. UMD tuition, fees, room + board is ~ $25K
W&M isn't competing with UMD for students. Not a problem.
The real competition is with UVA. UVA is slightly cheaper COA for first year, but charges more for some schools once you enroll in your 2nd/3rd years and has the usual tuition increases each year. W&M commits to a tuition freeze (so whatever tuition you paid first year is the tuition you pay for all 4) and doesn't have the specialized schools higher costs.
UVA also has the tuition freeze. When DC started there in fall of 2016, tuition was $8K per term and that's what we are still paying in fourth year. But you have to sign up for it (somewhere in the paperwork they send).
UVA does have the uplifts for engineering and business that you need to factor.
Anonymous
02/02/2020 16:18
Subject: What’s wrong with William & Mary?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Fantastic school. $40K for instate tuition is too high.
That includes everything, Tuition, fees, room, board, books and travel.
PP here - still too high. UMD tuition, fees, room + board is ~ $25K
W&M isn't competing with UMD for students. Not a problem.
Understood. Yet it is still comparable. There aren’t many (any?) schools charging an in-state rate that high.
Anonymous
02/02/2020 16:06
Subject: What’s wrong with William & Mary?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Fantastic school. $40K for instate tuition is too high.
That includes everything, Tuition, fees, room, board, books and travel.
PP here - still too high. UMD tuition, fees, room + board is ~ $25K
W&M isn't competing with UMD for students. Not a problem.
The real competition is with UVA. UVA is slightly cheaper COA for first year, but charges more for some schools once you enroll in your 2nd/3rd years and has the usual tuition increases each year. W&M commits to a tuition freeze (so whatever tuition you paid first year is the tuition you pay for all 4) and doesn't have the specialized schools higher costs.
UVA also has the tuition freeze. When DC started there in fall of 2016, tuition was $8K per term and that's what we are still paying in fourth year. But you have to sign up for it (somewhere in the paperwork they send).
Do you pay more initially to have the tuition frozen? (I imagine you would otherwise wouldn't they just advertise it as their price?) W&M just has it as the general default for everyone.
Anonymous
02/02/2020 16:01
Subject: What’s wrong with William & Mary?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I think OP is on some sort of mission to bash William and Mary. I see similar posts in other threads.
Agree.
their child probably didn't get in ED1.
Anonymous
02/02/2020 16:01
Subject: What’s wrong with William & Mary?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Fantastic school. $40K for instate tuition is too high.
That includes everything, Tuition, fees, room, board, books and travel.
PP here - still too high. UMD tuition, fees, room + board is ~ $25K
W&M isn't competing with UMD for students. Not a problem.
The real competition is with UVA. UVA is slightly cheaper COA for first year, but charges more for some schools once you enroll in your 2nd/3rd years and has the usual tuition increases each year. W&M commits to a tuition freeze (so whatever tuition you paid first year is the tuition you pay for all 4) and doesn't have the specialized schools higher costs.
UVA also has the tuition freeze. When DC started there in fall of 2016, tuition was $8K per term and that's what we are still paying in fourth year. But you have to sign up for it (somewhere in the paperwork they send).
Anonymous
02/02/2020 15:51
Subject: What’s wrong with William & Mary?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Fantastic school. $40K for instate tuition is too high.
That includes everything, Tuition, fees, room, board, books and travel.
PP here - still too high. UMD tuition, fees, room + board is ~ $25K
W&M isn't competing with UMD for students. Not a problem.
The real competition is with UVA. UVA is slightly cheaper COA for first year, but charges more for some schools once you enroll in your 2nd/3rd years and has the usual tuition increases each year. W&M commits to a tuition freeze (so whatever tuition you paid first year is the tuition you pay for all 4) and doesn't have the specialized schools higher costs.