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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Biglaw partner here. UVA Law is generally regarded as a better law school then Duke. Not by a lot, but definitely better.

This thread was about undergraduate. Somehow it has gotten off track.

I agree, but law school admissions is relevant because OP says the student is interested in pre-law. So if UVA is a marginally better law school, and UVA law admissions is considered easier coming out of UVA than Duke, and if UVA is much cheaper as an in state student, then this favors UVA.

As for the poster observing that the average Duke applicant to law school has a higher LSAT score than the average UVA applicant, that may be true -- but the OP's kid wouldn't be an average UVA applicant. He got into Duke. The average UVA student likely didn't.

Why would you assume UVA law admissions is easier coming from UVA than Duke? You just have enrolled data. You don't have applied.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Biglaw partner here. UVA Law is generally regarded as a better law school then Duke. Not by a lot, but definitely better.

This thread was about undergraduate. Somehow it has gotten off track.

I agree, but law school admissions is relevant because OP says the student is interested in pre-law. So if UVA is a marginally better law school, and UVA law admissions is considered easier coming out of UVA than Duke, and if UVA is much cheaper as an in state student, then this favors UVA.

As for the poster observing that the average Duke applicant to law school has a higher LSAT score than the average UVA applicant, that may be true -- but the OP's kid wouldn't be an average UVA applicant. He got into Duke. The average UVA student likely didn't.

Anonymous wrote:Biglaw partner here. UVA Law is generally regarded as a better law school then Duke. Not by a lot, but definitely better.

This thread was about undergraduate. Somehow it has gotten off track.

Biglaw partner here. UVA Law is generally regarded as a better law school then Duke. Not by a lot, but definitely better.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:26 UVA students in UVA Law class of 2022; 3 from Duke

I would think most Duke students applying to law school are not in-state Virginia. In other words, they are likely going elsewhere and you are only counting one data point.

Data on law school applicants by school is available online. Duke graduates applying to law school have higher average LSAT scores164.97) and GPA (3.69) than UVA (160.84 and 3.43 respectively). There is no way in my view that Duke graduates aren't going to law schools that are higher ranked on average than UVA graduates.

https://www.americanbar.org/content/dam/aba/administrative/legal_education_and_admissions_to_the_bar/council_reports_and_resolutions/May2018CouncilOpenSession/18_may_2015_2017_top_240_feeder_schools_for_aba_applicants.authcheckdam.pdf

But the median student isn't applying to law school. The students getting in have 178 LSAT scores and well over a 3.7. The point being made is that it is easier to get into UVA Law (no. 6-8 law school, depending upon year) from UVA than getting into Duke Law from Duke. Also at $60K per year, UVA is a much better deal than $103K to Duke

You are misreading it. These are the stats of the students who are applying to law school (and have their scores reported by LSAC). I'm also not sure why you would conclude that it is easier to get into UVA Law from UVA than Duke. We don't really know that without other data. Another logical explanation is simply that more UVA students apply to UVA Law than Duke students.

https://law.duke.edu/sites/default/files/news/Std509InfoReport2019.pdf

Duke Law’s 509 Report. 88 percent of students receiving scholarships, median amount of $27k per year.

Duke Law gives out scholarships to over 80% of incoming students. I got into both UVA Law (out of state tuition) and Duke Law (w/ scholarship). Duke was the cheaper option.

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Anonymous wrote:26 UVA students in UVA Law class of 2022; 3 from Duke

I would think most Duke students applying to law school are not in-state Virginia. In other words, they are likely going elsewhere and you are only counting one data point.

Data on law school applicants by school is available online. Duke graduates applying to law school have higher average LSAT scores164.97) and GPA (3.69) than UVA (160.84 and 3.43 respectively). There is no way in my view that Duke graduates aren't going to law schools that are higher ranked on average than UVA graduates.

https://www.americanbar.org/content/dam/aba/administrative/legal_education_and_admissions_to_the_bar/council_reports_and_resolutions/May2018CouncilOpenSession/18_may_2015_2017_top_240_feeder_schools_for_aba_applicants.authcheckdam.pdf

But the median student isn't applying to law school. The students getting in have 178 LSAT scores and well over a 3.7. The point being made is that it is easier to get into UVA Law (no. 6-8 law school, depending upon year) from UVA than getting into Duke Law from Duke. Also at $60K per year, UVA is a much better deal than $103K to Duke

Anonymous wrote:26 UVA students in UVA Law class of 2022; 3 from Duke

I would think most Duke students applying to law school are not in-state Virginia. In other words, they are likely going elsewhere and you are only counting one data point.

Data on law school applicants by school is available online. Duke graduates applying to law school have higher average LSAT scores164.97) and GPA (3.69) than UVA (160.84 and 3.43 respectively). There is no way in my view that Duke graduates aren't going to law schools that are higher ranked on average than UVA graduates.

https://www.americanbar.org/content/dam/aba/administrative/legal_education_and_admissions_to_the_bar/council_reports_and_resolutions/May2018CouncilOpenSession/18_may_2015_2017_top_240_feeder_schools_for_aba_applicants.authcheckdam.pdf

26 UVA students in UVA Law class of 2022; 3 from Duke

Anonymous wrote:Didn't know that. I figured all bets were off when applying to Law School in terms of admission (no in-state quotas, etc.)

If you go to Virginia Law page, it says that they give a slight preference to "Virginia residents". Also, note the 22 UVA students in this UVA Law class. https://www.law.virginia.edu/admissions/class-2021-profile. In my DS's fourth year class, the same kids who got into the very top law schools also got into UVA Law but then they had the LSAT and the GPA. Most pick UVA because, while still expensive, it's not quite as bad as Harvard and Duke, and also smaller than Harvard, Stanford, etc. IMHE those students from other Virginia institutions did not get in to VA Law if their GPA or LSAT was just a bit shy of the mark. In those cases, other state law schools or OOS privates picked them up.