Anonymous
06/25/2019 11:46
Subject: happening right now: 250 migrant children held in terrible, inhumane conditions in Texas
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I cannot imagining my 2 year old in these conditions. This is making me physically ill. What monsters. How do they sleep at night?!
Ask Obama and his former administration the same question. How did THOSE monsters sleep at night?
Why the sudden outrage? I'm sure I'm much older than you are, and I cannot remember the uproar when Obama was in office.
But are we going to OVERLOOK the ACLU's findings?
https://www.aclu.org/press-releases/aclu-obtains-documents-showing-widespread-abuse-child-immigrants-us-custody?redirect=news/aclu-obtains-documents-showing-widespread-abuse-child-immigrants-us-custody
The report is based on over 30,000 pages of documents dated between 2009 and 2014. The documents were obtained by the ACLU Foundation of San Diego & Imperial Counties and the ACLU Foundation of Arizona through a Freedom of Information Act lawsuit co-counseled with Cooley LLP. The documents feature numerous cases of shocking violence and abuse against migrant children, many of whom arrived in the United States fleeing violence in their home countries.
. . .
Law students in the International Human Rights Clinic examined a subset of the records obtained. The documents show numerous cases involving federal officials’ verbal, physical and sexual abuse of migrant children; the denial of clean drinking water and adequate food; failure to provide necessary medical care; detention in freezing, unsanitary facilities; and other violations of federal law and policy and international law. The documents provide evidence that U.S. officials were aware of these abuses as they occurred, but failed to properly investigate, much less to remedy, these abuses.
You know you have no defense when all you can do is deflect to Obama.
I'm not deflecting, ding dong. I'm simply saying that NOTHING has changed.
Suddenly, however, with this president, there's outrage!
At least I can find evidence to show that for as much as things change they remain the same. Why don't you find evidence to show that our current practices are VASTLY different from those in 2014 (and in years prior)?
I'll wait . . . I have time today.
Obama didn't institue the "zero tolerance" policy that punitively rips families apart. Trump did. That has changed.
OK - great
But he also isn't sending children - who arrived unaccompanied - back over the border.
So which is better? keeping the children, even if they're separated from adults? (b/c both administrations were concerned about trafficking) or sending them back?
I think it's better not to punish children by separating them from their family. The Trump administration's concern for trafficking is not genuine and is not the impetus behind family separation. Sadistic, cruel punishment is. Nobody buys your faux concern BS. Just own up to your sadism.
These are kids whose parents separated their families themselves and paid human traffickers to traffic their kids to the border
No they aren't, you liar.
Yes, they are. Parents are the ones paying traffickers to bring their kids to the border and having them claim asylum to border patrol. It's been advertised for years (since President Obama years) that if you get your kid to the border, claim asylum, spend a couple if days in custody and then your parent who is here illegally can arrange to pick you up, thus completing the human smuggling cycle. Its apart of their business plan.America is basicaly forced to arrange the final leg of the criminal journey. What - did you actually think a 5, 7, 10 year old is actually finding their way through 3 countries to get to our border all by themselves? GMAB.
Sure, dude. Sounds like one of your Pizzagate cinspiracy theories. I have no doubt that some of the children are being trafficked. But it's a lie to say that all of them are.
Okay buddy. You just keep believing that 10 year olds are trekking several countries with no help, by themselves. The rest of us who read will deal in facts.
Hope for reunification with children and better living standards enable family members in the United States to pay the $6-7,000 to traffickers who bring the child from his home in Central America to the U.S. side of the border. When Congress created TPS in 1990 and extended it to 220,000 Salvadorans in 2001, we failed to anticipate that they would seek to unite with their children.
I don't believe 10 year olds are trekking several countries by themselves, with no help. I do believe they are trekking several countries with their families, where Trump's troopers split them apart and throw them in camps as soon as they can get their claws on them.
They are not being separated any more. That ended last year.
These kids are showing up at the border unaccompanied. It's been going on since Obama. There was an article about it years ago where a government official acknowledged that they knew parents were paying traffickers to get the kids here with the understanding that they just needed to have the smugglers get the kid to the border to claim asylum and the government would deliver the kid to the parents. It was like our government was forced to complete the trafficking loop.
The children are still being separated. Right now. Today.
To continue separating families, immigration agents appear to be taking advantage of a loophole in the court decision. The injunction doesn’t apply when parents have criminal histories or communicable diseases, which might require them to be quarantined away from their children. Nor does it explicitly apply when children are accompanied by relatives like siblings or grandparents rather than parents, unless those relatives are their legal guardians. And it permits family separation when a parent is deemed a danger to the child.
On the surface, these exceptions seem perfectly reasonable, particularly given the threat of human trafficking. But Enriquez, a lawyer, said they “left a big gaping hole that the government is driving a truck straight through.”
As part of the case the court ruled on, the A.C.L.U. receives lists approximately every month of separated families, with brief notations about the government’s justifications. Some of the misdeeds that are listed, said Gelernt, are extremely minor. For example, a 6-month-old was taken from his father because the father had a conviction for marijuana possession. Another dad lost his kid because he admitted to a conviction for driving with an expired license.
In some cases, the parents hadn’t been convicted of anything at all, but border agents claimed that they had gang affiliations. In other instances, agents stretched the definition of “communicable diseases” to apply to situations that don’t involve quarantine.
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/21/opinion/family-separation-trump-migrants.html
Anonymous
06/25/2019 11:44
Subject: happening right now: 250 migrant children held in terrible, inhumane conditions in Texas
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I cannot imagining my 2 year old in these conditions. This is making me physically ill. What monsters. How do they sleep at night?!
Ask Obama and his former administration the same question. How did THOSE monsters sleep at night?
Why the sudden outrage? I'm sure I'm much older than you are, and I cannot remember the uproar when Obama was in office.
But are we going to OVERLOOK the ACLU's findings?
https://www.aclu.org/press-releases/aclu-obtains-documents-showing-widespread-abuse-child-immigrants-us-custody?redirect=news/aclu-obtains-documents-showing-widespread-abuse-child-immigrants-us-custody
The report is based on over 30,000 pages of documents dated between 2009 and 2014. The documents were obtained by the ACLU Foundation of San Diego & Imperial Counties and the ACLU Foundation of Arizona through a Freedom of Information Act lawsuit co-counseled with Cooley LLP. The documents feature numerous cases of shocking violence and abuse against migrant children, many of whom arrived in the United States fleeing violence in their home countries.
. . .
Law students in the International Human Rights Clinic examined a subset of the records obtained. The documents show numerous cases involving federal officials’ verbal, physical and sexual abuse of migrant children; the denial of clean drinking water and adequate food; failure to provide necessary medical care; detention in freezing, unsanitary facilities; and other violations of federal law and policy and international law. The documents provide evidence that U.S. officials were aware of these abuses as they occurred, but failed to properly investigate, much less to remedy, these abuses.
You know you have no defense when all you can do is deflect to Obama.
I'm not deflecting, ding dong. I'm simply saying that NOTHING has changed.
Suddenly, however, with this president, there's outrage!
At least I can find evidence to show that for as much as things change they remain the same. Why don't you find evidence to show that our current practices are VASTLY different from those in 2014 (and in years prior)?
I'll wait . . . I have time today.
Obama didn't institue the "zero tolerance" policy that punitively rips families apart. Trump did. That has changed.
OK - great
But he also isn't sending children - who arrived unaccompanied - back over the border.
So which is better? keeping the children, even if they're separated from adults? (b/c both administrations were concerned about trafficking) or sending them back?
I think it's better not to punish children by separating them from their family. The Trump administration's concern for trafficking is not genuine and is not the impetus behind family separation. Sadistic, cruel punishment is. Nobody buys your faux concern BS. Just own up to your sadism.
These are kids whose parents separated their families themselves and paid human traffickers to traffic their kids to the border
No they aren't, you liar.
Yes, they are. Parents are the ones paying traffickers to bring their kids to the border and having them claim asylum to border patrol. It's been advertised for years (since President Obama years) that if you get your kid to the border, claim asylum, spend a couple if days in custody and then your parent who is here illegally can arrange to pick you up, thus completing the human smuggling cycle. Its apart of their business plan.America is basicaly forced to arrange the final leg of the criminal journey. What - did you actually think a 5, 7, 10 year old is actually finding their way through 3 countries to get to our border all by themselves? GMAB.
Sure, dude. Sounds like one of your Pizzagate cinspiracy theories. I have no doubt that some of the children are being trafficked. But it's a lie to say that all of them are.
Okay buddy. You just keep believing that 10 year olds are trekking several countries with no help, by themselves. The rest of us who read will deal in facts.
Hope for reunification with children and better living standards enable family members in the United States to pay the $6-7,000 to traffickers who bring the child from his home in Central America to the U.S. side of the border. When Congress created TPS in 1990 and extended it to 220,000 Salvadorans in 2001, we failed to anticipate that they would seek to unite with their children.
I don't believe 10 year olds are trekking several countries by themselves, with no help. I do believe they are trekking several countries with their families, where Trump's troopers split them apart and throw them in camps as soon as they can get their claws on them.
They are not being separated any more. That ended last year.
These kids are showing up at the border unaccompanied. It's been going on since Obama. There was an article about it years ago where a government official acknowledged that they knew parents were paying traffickers to get the kids here with the understanding that they just needed to have the smugglers get the kid to the border to claim asylum and the government would deliver the kid to the parents. It was like our government was forced to complete the trafficking loop.
They are still being separated. DHS is using loopholes in the order to find new ways to justify separating them.
https://www.propublica.org/article/border-patrol-families-still-being-separated-at-border-after-zero-tolerance-immigration-policy-reversed?utm_content=buffer378e3&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter&utm_campaign=buffer
Sabraw, however, exempted cases in which the safety of the child was at risk, and crucially, imposed no standards or oversight over those decisions. As a result, attorneys say, immigration officials — taking their cues from an administration that has made it clear it still believes family separations are an effective deterrent — are using whatever justification they can find, with or without substantiation, to deem immigrant parents unfit or unsafe.[/paste]
There are just no words that can adequately express the disgust of the utter depravity you gleefully support.
Anonymous
06/25/2019 11:32
Subject: happening right now: 250 migrant children held in terrible, inhumane conditions in Texas
"For decades, families have used smugglers to migrate north from El Salvador, Guatemala and Honduras, Many of the migrants are fleeing violence or seeking economic opportunity in the US. But in the past few years, the price of this trip has skyrocketed to between $7,000 and $10,000, more than double what it was a decade ago."
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.pri.org/stories/2018-02-28/smuggling-costs-skyrocketing-parents-balance-risk-and-debt-their-childrens-future%3famp
https://www.nytimes.com/2003/11/03/world/crossing-with-strangers-children-border-littlest-immigrants-left-hands-smugglers.html
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.pri.org/stories/2018-02-28/smuggling-costs-skyrocketing-parents-balance-risk-and-debt-their-childrens-future%3famp
https://www.nytimes.com/2003/11/03/world/crossing-with-strangers-children-border-littlest-immigrants-left-hands-smugglers.html
Anonymous
06/25/2019 11:20
Subject: happening right now: 250 migrant children held in terrible, inhumane conditions in Texas
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I cannot imagining my 2 year old in these conditions. This is making me physically ill. What monsters. How do they sleep at night?!
Ask Obama and his former administration the same question. How did THOSE monsters sleep at night?
Why the sudden outrage? I'm sure I'm much older than you are, and I cannot remember the uproar when Obama was in office.
But are we going to OVERLOOK the ACLU's findings?
https://www.aclu.org/press-releases/aclu-obtains-documents-showing-widespread-abuse-child-immigrants-us-custody?redirect=news/aclu-obtains-documents-showing-widespread-abuse-child-immigrants-us-custody
The report is based on over 30,000 pages of documents dated between 2009 and 2014. The documents were obtained by the ACLU Foundation of San Diego & Imperial Counties and the ACLU Foundation of Arizona through a Freedom of Information Act lawsuit co-counseled with Cooley LLP. The documents feature numerous cases of shocking violence and abuse against migrant children, many of whom arrived in the United States fleeing violence in their home countries.
. . .
Law students in the International Human Rights Clinic examined a subset of the records obtained. The documents show numerous cases involving federal officials’ verbal, physical and sexual abuse of migrant children; the denial of clean drinking water and adequate food; failure to provide necessary medical care; detention in freezing, unsanitary facilities; and other violations of federal law and policy and international law. The documents provide evidence that U.S. officials were aware of these abuses as they occurred, but failed to properly investigate, much less to remedy, these abuses.
You know you have no defense when all you can do is deflect to Obama.
I'm not deflecting, ding dong. I'm simply saying that NOTHING has changed.
Suddenly, however, with this president, there's outrage!
At least I can find evidence to show that for as much as things change they remain the same. Why don't you find evidence to show that our current practices are VASTLY different from those in 2014 (and in years prior)?
I'll wait . . . I have time today.
Obama didn't institue the "zero tolerance" policy that punitively rips families apart. Trump did. That has changed.
OK - great
But he also isn't sending children - who arrived unaccompanied - back over the border.
So which is better? keeping the children, even if they're separated from adults? (b/c both administrations were concerned about trafficking) or sending them back?
I think it's better not to punish children by separating them from their family. The Trump administration's concern for trafficking is not genuine and is not the impetus behind family separation. Sadistic, cruel punishment is. Nobody buys your faux concern BS. Just own up to your sadism.
These are kids whose parents separated their families themselves and paid human traffickers to traffic their kids to the border
No they aren't, you liar.
Yes, they are. Parents are the ones paying traffickers to bring their kids to the border and having them claim asylum to border patrol. It's been advertised for years (since President Obama years) that if you get your kid to the border, claim asylum, spend a couple if days in custody and then your parent who is here illegally can arrange to pick you up, thus completing the human smuggling cycle. Its apart of their business plan.America is basicaly forced to arrange the final leg of the criminal journey. What - did you actually think a 5, 7, 10 year old is actually finding their way through 3 countries to get to our border all by themselves? GMAB.
Sure, dude. Sounds like one of your Pizzagate cinspiracy theories. I have no doubt that some of the children are being trafficked. But it's a lie to say that all of them are.
Okay buddy. You just keep believing that 10 year olds are trekking several countries with no help, by themselves. The rest of us who read will deal in facts.
Hope for reunification with children and better living standards enable family members in the United States to pay the $6-7,000 to traffickers who bring the child from his home in Central America to the U.S. side of the border. When Congress created TPS in 1990 and extended it to 220,000 Salvadorans in 2001, we failed to anticipate that they would seek to unite with their children.
I don't believe 10 year olds are trekking several countries by themselves, with no help. I do believe they are trekking several countries with their families, where Trump's troopers split them apart and throw them in camps as soon as they can get their claws on them.
They are not being separated any more. That ended last year.
These kids are showing up at the border unaccompanied. It's been going on since Obama. There was an article about it years ago where a government official acknowledged that they knew parents were paying traffickers to get the kids here with the understanding that they just needed to have the smugglers get the kid to the border to claim asylum and the government would deliver the kid to the parents. It was like our government was forced to complete the trafficking loop.
Anonymous
06/25/2019 11:12
Subject: happening right now: 250 migrant children held in terrible, inhumane conditions in Texas
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I cannot imagining my 2 year old in these conditions. This is making me physically ill. What monsters. How do they sleep at night?!
Ask Obama and his former administration the same question. How did THOSE monsters sleep at night?
Why the sudden outrage? I'm sure I'm much older than you are, and I cannot remember the uproar when Obama was in office.
But are we going to OVERLOOK the ACLU's findings?
https://www.aclu.org/press-releases/aclu-obtains-documents-showing-widespread-abuse-child-immigrants-us-custody?redirect=news/aclu-obtains-documents-showing-widespread-abuse-child-immigrants-us-custody
The report is based on over 30,000 pages of documents dated between 2009 and 2014. The documents were obtained by the ACLU Foundation of San Diego & Imperial Counties and the ACLU Foundation of Arizona through a Freedom of Information Act lawsuit co-counseled with Cooley LLP. The documents feature numerous cases of shocking violence and abuse against migrant children, many of whom arrived in the United States fleeing violence in their home countries.
. . .
Law students in the International Human Rights Clinic examined a subset of the records obtained. The documents show numerous cases involving federal officials’ verbal, physical and sexual abuse of migrant children; the denial of clean drinking water and adequate food; failure to provide necessary medical care; detention in freezing, unsanitary facilities; and other violations of federal law and policy and international law. The documents provide evidence that U.S. officials were aware of these abuses as they occurred, but failed to properly investigate, much less to remedy, these abuses.
You know you have no defense when all you can do is deflect to Obama.
I'm not deflecting, ding dong. I'm simply saying that NOTHING has changed.
Suddenly, however, with this president, there's outrage!
At least I can find evidence to show that for as much as things change they remain the same. Why don't you find evidence to show that our current practices are VASTLY different from those in 2014 (and in years prior)?
I'll wait . . . I have time today.
Obama didn't institue the "zero tolerance" policy that punitively rips families apart. Trump did. That has changed.
OK - great
But he also isn't sending children - who arrived unaccompanied - back over the border.
So which is better? keeping the children, even if they're separated from adults? (b/c both administrations were concerned about trafficking) or sending them back?
I think it's better not to punish children by separating them from their family. The Trump administration's concern for trafficking is not genuine and is not the impetus behind family separation. Sadistic, cruel punishment is. Nobody buys your faux concern BS. Just own up to your sadism.
These are kids whose parents separated their families themselves and paid human traffickers to traffic their kids to the border
No they aren't, you liar.
Yes, they are. Parents are the ones paying traffickers to bring their kids to the border and having them claim asylum to border patrol. It's been advertised for years (since President Obama years) that if you get your kid to the border, claim asylum, spend a couple if days in custody and then your parent who is here illegally can arrange to pick you up, thus completing the human smuggling cycle. Its apart of their business plan.America is basicaly forced to arrange the final leg of the criminal journey. What - did you actually think a 5, 7, 10 year old is actually finding their way through 3 countries to get to our border all by themselves? GMAB.
Sure, dude. Sounds like one of your Pizzagate cinspiracy theories. I have no doubt that some of the children are being trafficked. But it's a lie to say that all of them are.
Okay buddy. You just keep believing that 10 year olds are trekking several countries with no help, by themselves. The rest of us who read will deal in facts.
Hope for reunification with children and better living standards enable family members in the United States to pay the $6-7,000 to traffickers who bring the child from his home in Central America to the U.S. side of the border. When Congress created TPS in 1990 and extended it to 220,000 Salvadorans in 2001, we failed to anticipate that they would seek to unite with their children.
I don't believe 10 year olds are trekking several countries by themselves, with no help. I do believe they are trekking several countries with their families, where Trump's troopers split them apart and throw them in camps as soon as they can get their claws on them.
Anonymous
06/25/2019 11:07
Subject: happening right now: 250 migrant children held in terrible, inhumane conditions in Texas
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I cannot imagining my 2 year old in these conditions. This is making me physically ill. What monsters. How do they sleep at night?!
Ask Obama and his former administration the same question. How did THOSE monsters sleep at night?
Why the sudden outrage? I'm sure I'm much older than you are, and I cannot remember the uproar when Obama was in office.
But are we going to OVERLOOK the ACLU's findings?
https://www.aclu.org/press-releases/aclu-obtains-documents-showing-widespread-abuse-child-immigrants-us-custody?redirect=news/aclu-obtains-documents-showing-widespread-abuse-child-immigrants-us-custody
The report is based on over 30,000 pages of documents dated between 2009 and 2014. The documents were obtained by the ACLU Foundation of San Diego & Imperial Counties and the ACLU Foundation of Arizona through a Freedom of Information Act lawsuit co-counseled with Cooley LLP. The documents feature numerous cases of shocking violence and abuse against migrant children, many of whom arrived in the United States fleeing violence in their home countries.
. . .
Law students in the International Human Rights Clinic examined a subset of the records obtained. The documents show numerous cases involving federal officials’ verbal, physical and sexual abuse of migrant children; the denial of clean drinking water and adequate food; failure to provide necessary medical care; detention in freezing, unsanitary facilities; and other violations of federal law and policy and international law. The documents provide evidence that U.S. officials were aware of these abuses as they occurred, but failed to properly investigate, much less to remedy, these abuses.
You know you have no defense when all you can do is deflect to Obama.
I'm not deflecting, ding dong. I'm simply saying that NOTHING has changed.
Suddenly, however, with this president, there's outrage!
At least I can find evidence to show that for as much as things change they remain the same. Why don't you find evidence to show that our current practices are VASTLY different from those in 2014 (and in years prior)?
I'll wait . . . I have time today.
Obama didn't institue the "zero tolerance" policy that punitively rips families apart. Trump did. That has changed.
OK - great
But he also isn't sending children - who arrived unaccompanied - back over the border.
So which is better? keeping the children, even if they're separated from adults? (b/c both administrations were concerned about trafficking) or sending them back?
I think it's better not to punish children by separating them from their family. The Trump administration's concern for trafficking is not genuine and is not the impetus behind family separation. Sadistic, cruel punishment is. Nobody buys your faux concern BS. Just own up to your sadism.
These are kids whose parents separated their families themselves and paid human traffickers to traffic their kids to the border
DP. Then, those kids will enter a public school system where they could get videotaped, molested, assaulted and not one of you will care. Meh.
No idea what this refers to but they should not be a burden on our schools. This is not our problem
Anonymous
06/25/2019 11:06
Subject: happening right now: 250 migrant children held in terrible, inhumane conditions in Texas
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I cannot imagining my 2 year old in these conditions. This is making me physically ill. What monsters. How do they sleep at night?!
Ask Obama and his former administration the same question. How did THOSE monsters sleep at night?
Why the sudden outrage? I'm sure I'm much older than you are, and I cannot remember the uproar when Obama was in office.
But are we going to OVERLOOK the ACLU's findings?
https://www.aclu.org/press-releases/aclu-obtains-documents-showing-widespread-abuse-child-immigrants-us-custody?redirect=news/aclu-obtains-documents-showing-widespread-abuse-child-immigrants-us-custody
The report is based on over 30,000 pages of documents dated between 2009 and 2014. The documents were obtained by the ACLU Foundation of San Diego & Imperial Counties and the ACLU Foundation of Arizona through a Freedom of Information Act lawsuit co-counseled with Cooley LLP. The documents feature numerous cases of shocking violence and abuse against migrant children, many of whom arrived in the United States fleeing violence in their home countries.
. . .
Law students in the International Human Rights Clinic examined a subset of the records obtained. The documents show numerous cases involving federal officials’ verbal, physical and sexual abuse of migrant children; the denial of clean drinking water and adequate food; failure to provide necessary medical care; detention in freezing, unsanitary facilities; and other violations of federal law and policy and international law. The documents provide evidence that U.S. officials were aware of these abuses as they occurred, but failed to properly investigate, much less to remedy, these abuses.
You know you have no defense when all you can do is deflect to Obama.
I'm not deflecting, ding dong. I'm simply saying that NOTHING has changed.
Suddenly, however, with this president, there's outrage!
At least I can find evidence to show that for as much as things change they remain the same. Why don't you find evidence to show that our current practices are VASTLY different from those in 2014 (and in years prior)?
I'll wait . . . I have time today.
Obama didn't institue the "zero tolerance" policy that punitively rips families apart. Trump did. That has changed.
OK - great
But he also isn't sending children - who arrived unaccompanied - back over the border.
So which is better? keeping the children, even if they're separated from adults? (b/c both administrations were concerned about trafficking) or sending them back?
I think it's better not to punish children by separating them from their family. The Trump administration's concern for trafficking is not genuine and is not the impetus behind family separation. Sadistic, cruel punishment is. Nobody buys your faux concern BS. Just own up to your sadism.
These are kids whose parents separated their families themselves and paid human traffickers to traffic their kids to the border
No they aren't, you liar.
Yes, they are. Parents are the ones paying traffickers to bring their kids to the border and having them claim asylum to border patrol. It's been advertised for years (since President Obama years) that if you get your kid to the border, claim asylum, spend a couple if days in custody and then your parent who is here illegally can arrange to pick you up, thus completing the human smuggling cycle. Its apart of their business plan.America is basicaly forced to arrange the final leg of the criminal journey. What - did you actually think a 5, 7, 10 year old is actually finding their way through 3 countries to get to our border all by themselves? GMAB.
Sure, dude. Sounds like one of your Pizzagate cinspiracy theories. I have no doubt that some of the children are being trafficked. But it's a lie to say that all of them are.
Okay buddy. You just keep believing that 10 year olds are trekking several countries with no help, by themselves. The rest of us who read will deal in facts.
Hope for reunification with children and better living standards enable family members in the United States to pay the $6-7,000 to traffickers who bring the child from his home in Central America to the U.S. side of the border. When Congress created TPS in 1990 and extended it to 220,000 Salvadorans in 2001, we failed to anticipate that they would seek to unite with their children.
Anonymous
06/25/2019 10:48
Subject: happening right now: 250 migrant children held in terrible, inhumane conditions in Texas
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I cannot imagining my 2 year old in these conditions. This is making me physically ill. What monsters. How do they sleep at night?!
Ask Obama and his former administration the same question. How did THOSE monsters sleep at night?
Why the sudden outrage? I'm sure I'm much older than you are, and I cannot remember the uproar when Obama was in office.
But are we going to OVERLOOK the ACLU's findings?
https://www.aclu.org/press-releases/aclu-obtains-documents-showing-widespread-abuse-child-immigrants-us-custody?redirect=news/aclu-obtains-documents-showing-widespread-abuse-child-immigrants-us-custody
The report is based on over 30,000 pages of documents dated between 2009 and 2014. The documents were obtained by the ACLU Foundation of San Diego & Imperial Counties and the ACLU Foundation of Arizona through a Freedom of Information Act lawsuit co-counseled with Cooley LLP. The documents feature numerous cases of shocking violence and abuse against migrant children, many of whom arrived in the United States fleeing violence in their home countries.
. . .
Law students in the International Human Rights Clinic examined a subset of the records obtained. The documents show numerous cases involving federal officials’ verbal, physical and sexual abuse of migrant children; the denial of clean drinking water and adequate food; failure to provide necessary medical care; detention in freezing, unsanitary facilities; and other violations of federal law and policy and international law. The documents provide evidence that U.S. officials were aware of these abuses as they occurred, but failed to properly investigate, much less to remedy, these abuses.
You know you have no defense when all you can do is deflect to Obama.
I'm not deflecting, ding dong. I'm simply saying that NOTHING has changed.
Suddenly, however, with this president, there's outrage!
At least I can find evidence to show that for as much as things change they remain the same. Why don't you find evidence to show that our current practices are VASTLY different from those in 2014 (and in years prior)?
I'll wait . . . I have time today.
Obama didn't institue the "zero tolerance" policy that punitively rips families apart. Trump did. That has changed.
OK - great
But he also isn't sending children - who arrived unaccompanied - back over the border.
So which is better? keeping the children, even if they're separated from adults? (b/c both administrations were concerned about trafficking) or sending them back?
I think it's better not to punish children by separating them from their family. The Trump administration's concern for trafficking is not genuine and is not the impetus behind family separation. Sadistic, cruel punishment is. Nobody buys your faux concern BS. Just own up to your sadism.
These are kids whose parents separated their families themselves and paid human traffickers to traffic their kids to the border
DP. Then, those kids will enter a public school system where they could get videotaped, molested, assaulted and not one of you will care. Meh.
Anonymous
06/25/2019 10:41
Subject: happening right now: 250 migrant children held in terrible, inhumane conditions in Texas
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I cannot imagining my 2 year old in these conditions. This is making me physically ill. What monsters. How do they sleep at night?!
Ask Obama and his former administration the same question. How did THOSE monsters sleep at night?
Why the sudden outrage? I'm sure I'm much older than you are, and I cannot remember the uproar when Obama was in office.
But are we going to OVERLOOK the ACLU's findings?
https://www.aclu.org/press-releases/aclu-obtains-documents-showing-widespread-abuse-child-immigrants-us-custody?redirect=news/aclu-obtains-documents-showing-widespread-abuse-child-immigrants-us-custody
The report is based on over 30,000 pages of documents dated between 2009 and 2014. The documents were obtained by the ACLU Foundation of San Diego & Imperial Counties and the ACLU Foundation of Arizona through a Freedom of Information Act lawsuit co-counseled with Cooley LLP. The documents feature numerous cases of shocking violence and abuse against migrant children, many of whom arrived in the United States fleeing violence in their home countries.
. . .
Law students in the International Human Rights Clinic examined a subset of the records obtained. The documents show numerous cases involving federal officials’ verbal, physical and sexual abuse of migrant children; the denial of clean drinking water and adequate food; failure to provide necessary medical care; detention in freezing, unsanitary facilities; and other violations of federal law and policy and international law. The documents provide evidence that U.S. officials were aware of these abuses as they occurred, but failed to properly investigate, much less to remedy, these abuses.
You know you have no defense when all you can do is deflect to Obama.
I'm not deflecting, ding dong. I'm simply saying that NOTHING has changed.
Suddenly, however, with this president, there's outrage!
At least I can find evidence to show that for as much as things change they remain the same. Why don't you find evidence to show that our current practices are VASTLY different from those in 2014 (and in years prior)?
I'll wait . . . I have time today.
Obama didn't institue the "zero tolerance" policy that punitively rips families apart. Trump did. That has changed.
OK - great
But he also isn't sending children - who arrived unaccompanied - back over the border.
So which is better? keeping the children, even if they're separated from adults? (b/c both administrations were concerned about trafficking) or sending them back?
I think it's better not to punish children by separating them from their family. The Trump administration's concern for trafficking is not genuine and is not the impetus behind family separation. Sadistic, cruel punishment is. Nobody buys your faux concern BS. Just own up to your sadism.
These are kids whose parents separated their families themselves and paid human traffickers to traffic their kids to the border
No they aren't, you liar.
Yes, they are. Parents are the ones paying traffickers to bring their kids to the border and having them claim asylum to border patrol. It's been advertised for years (since President Obama years) that if you get your kid to the border, claim asylum, spend a couple if days in custody and then your parent who is here illegally can arrange to pick you up, thus completing the human smuggling cycle. Its apart of their business plan.America is basicaly forced to arrange the final leg of the criminal journey. What - did you actually think a 5, 7, 10 year old is actually finding their way through 3 countries to get to our border all by themselves? GMAB.
Sure, dude. Sounds like one of your Pizzagate cinspiracy theories. I have no doubt that some of the children are being trafficked. But it's a lie to say that all of them are.
Anonymous
06/25/2019 10:30
Subject: happening right now: 250 migrant children held in terrible, inhumane conditions in Texas
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I cannot imagining my 2 year old in these conditions. This is making me physically ill. What monsters. How do they sleep at night?!
Ask Obama and his former administration the same question. How did THOSE monsters sleep at night?
Why the sudden outrage? I'm sure I'm much older than you are, and I cannot remember the uproar when Obama was in office.
But are we going to OVERLOOK the ACLU's findings?
https://www.aclu.org/press-releases/aclu-obtains-documents-showing-widespread-abuse-child-immigrants-us-custody?redirect=news/aclu-obtains-documents-showing-widespread-abuse-child-immigrants-us-custody
The report is based on over 30,000 pages of documents dated between 2009 and 2014. The documents were obtained by the ACLU Foundation of San Diego & Imperial Counties and the ACLU Foundation of Arizona through a Freedom of Information Act lawsuit co-counseled with Cooley LLP. The documents feature numerous cases of shocking violence and abuse against migrant children, many of whom arrived in the United States fleeing violence in their home countries.
. . .
Law students in the International Human Rights Clinic examined a subset of the records obtained. The documents show numerous cases involving federal officials’ verbal, physical and sexual abuse of migrant children; the denial of clean drinking water and adequate food; failure to provide necessary medical care; detention in freezing, unsanitary facilities; and other violations of federal law and policy and international law. The documents provide evidence that U.S. officials were aware of these abuses as they occurred, but failed to properly investigate, much less to remedy, these abuses.
You know you have no defense when all you can do is deflect to Obama.
I'm not deflecting, ding dong. I'm simply saying that NOTHING has changed.
Suddenly, however, with this president, there's outrage!
At least I can find evidence to show that for as much as things change they remain the same. Why don't you find evidence to show that our current practices are VASTLY different from those in 2014 (and in years prior)?
I'll wait . . . I have time today.
Obama didn't institue the "zero tolerance" policy that punitively rips families apart. Trump did. That has changed.
OK - great
But he also isn't sending children - who arrived unaccompanied - back over the border.
So which is better? keeping the children, even if they're separated from adults? (b/c both administrations were concerned about trafficking) or sending them back?
I think it's better not to punish children by separating them from their family. The Trump administration's concern for trafficking is not genuine and is not the impetus behind family separation. Sadistic, cruel punishment is. Nobody buys your faux concern BS. Just own up to your sadism.
These are kids whose parents separated their families themselves and paid human traffickers to traffic their kids to the border
No they aren't, you liar.
Yes, they are. Parents are the ones paying traffickers to bring their kids to the border and having them claim asylum to border patrol. It's been advertised for years (since President Obama years) that if you get your kid to the border, claim asylum, spend a couple if days in custody and then your parent who is here illegally can arrange to pick you up, thus completing the human smuggling cycle. Its apart of their business plan.America is basicaly forced to arrange the final leg of the criminal journey. What - did you actually think a 5, 7, 10 year old is actually finding their way through 3 countries to get to our border all by themselves? GMAB.
Anonymous
06/25/2019 09:22
Subject: happening right now: 250 migrant children held in terrible, inhumane conditions in Texas
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I cannot imagining my 2 year old in these conditions. This is making me physically ill. What monsters. How do they sleep at night?!
Ask Obama and his former administration the same question. How did THOSE monsters sleep at night?
Why the sudden outrage? I'm sure I'm much older than you are, and I cannot remember the uproar when Obama was in office.
But are we going to OVERLOOK the ACLU's findings?
https://www.aclu.org/press-releases/aclu-obtains-documents-showing-widespread-abuse-child-immigrants-us-custody?redirect=news/aclu-obtains-documents-showing-widespread-abuse-child-immigrants-us-custody
The report is based on over 30,000 pages of documents dated between 2009 and 2014. The documents were obtained by the ACLU Foundation of San Diego & Imperial Counties and the ACLU Foundation of Arizona through a Freedom of Information Act lawsuit co-counseled with Cooley LLP. The documents feature numerous cases of shocking violence and abuse against migrant children, many of whom arrived in the United States fleeing violence in their home countries.
. . .
Law students in the International Human Rights Clinic examined a subset of the records obtained. The documents show numerous cases involving federal officials’ verbal, physical and sexual abuse of migrant children; the denial of clean drinking water and adequate food; failure to provide necessary medical care; detention in freezing, unsanitary facilities; and other violations of federal law and policy and international law. The documents provide evidence that U.S. officials were aware of these abuses as they occurred, but failed to properly investigate, much less to remedy, these abuses.
You know you have no defense when all you can do is deflect to Obama.
I'm not deflecting, ding dong. I'm simply saying that NOTHING has changed.
Suddenly, however, with this president, there's outrage!
At least I can find evidence to show that for as much as things change they remain the same. Why don't you find evidence to show that our current practices are VASTLY different from those in 2014 (and in years prior)?
I'll wait . . . I have time today.
Obama didn't institue the "zero tolerance" policy that punitively rips families apart. Trump did. That has changed.
OK - great
But he also isn't sending children - who arrived unaccompanied - back over the border.
So which is better? keeping the children, even if they're separated from adults? (b/c both administrations were concerned about trafficking) or sending them back?
I think it's better not to punish children by separating them from their family. The Trump administration's concern for trafficking is not genuine and is not the impetus behind family separation. Sadistic, cruel punishment is. Nobody buys your faux concern BS. Just own up to your sadism.
These are kids whose parents separated their families themselves and paid human traffickers to traffic their kids to the border
No they aren't, you liar.
Anonymous
06/25/2019 09:20
Subject: happening right now: 250 migrant children held in terrible, inhumane conditions in Texas
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I cannot imagining my 2 year old in these conditions. This is making me physically ill. What monsters. How do they sleep at night?!
Ask Obama and his former administration the same question. How did THOSE monsters sleep at night?
Why the sudden outrage? I'm sure I'm much older than you are, and I cannot remember the uproar when Obama was in office.
But are we going to OVERLOOK the ACLU's findings?
https://www.aclu.org/press-releases/aclu-obtains-documents-showing-widespread-abuse-child-immigrants-us-custody?redirect=news/aclu-obtains-documents-showing-widespread-abuse-child-immigrants-us-custody
The report is based on over 30,000 pages of documents dated between 2009 and 2014. The documents were obtained by the ACLU Foundation of San Diego & Imperial Counties and the ACLU Foundation of Arizona through a Freedom of Information Act lawsuit co-counseled with Cooley LLP. The documents feature numerous cases of shocking violence and abuse against migrant children, many of whom arrived in the United States fleeing violence in their home countries.
. . .
Law students in the International Human Rights Clinic examined a subset of the records obtained. The documents show numerous cases involving federal officials’ verbal, physical and sexual abuse of migrant children; the denial of clean drinking water and adequate food; failure to provide necessary medical care; detention in freezing, unsanitary facilities; and other violations of federal law and policy and international law. The documents provide evidence that U.S. officials were aware of these abuses as they occurred, but failed to properly investigate, much less to remedy, these abuses.
You know you have no defense when all you can do is deflect to Obama.
I'm not deflecting, ding dong. I'm simply saying that NOTHING has changed.
Suddenly, however, with this president, there's outrage!
At least I can find evidence to show that for as much as things change they remain the same. Why don't you find evidence to show that our current practices are VASTLY different from those in 2014 (and in years prior)?
I'll wait . . . I have time today.
Obama didn't institue the "zero tolerance" policy that punitively rips families apart. Trump did. That has changed.
OK - great
But he also isn't sending children - who arrived unaccompanied - back over the border.
So which is better? keeping the children, even if they're separated from adults? (b/c both administrations were concerned about trafficking) or sending them back?
I think it's better not to punish children by separating them from their family. The Trump administration's concern for trafficking is not genuine and is not the impetus behind family separation. Sadistic, cruel punishment is. Nobody buys your faux concern BS. Just own up to your sadism.
These are kids whose parents separated their families themselves and paid human traffickers to traffic their kids to the border
Anonymous
06/25/2019 09:12
Subject: happening right now: 250 migrant children held in terrible, inhumane conditions in Texas
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I cannot imagining my 2 year old in these conditions. This is making me physically ill. What monsters. How do they sleep at night?!
Ask Obama and his former administration the same question. How did THOSE monsters sleep at night?
Why the sudden outrage? I'm sure I'm much older than you are, and I cannot remember the uproar when Obama was in office.
But are we going to OVERLOOK the ACLU's findings?
https://www.aclu.org/press-releases/aclu-obtains-documents-showing-widespread-abuse-child-immigrants-us-custody?redirect=news/aclu-obtains-documents-showing-widespread-abuse-child-immigrants-us-custody
The report is based on over 30,000 pages of documents dated between 2009 and 2014. The documents were obtained by the ACLU Foundation of San Diego & Imperial Counties and the ACLU Foundation of Arizona through a Freedom of Information Act lawsuit co-counseled with Cooley LLP. The documents feature numerous cases of shocking violence and abuse against migrant children, many of whom arrived in the United States fleeing violence in their home countries.
. . .
Law students in the International Human Rights Clinic examined a subset of the records obtained. The documents show numerous cases involving federal officials’ verbal, physical and sexual abuse of migrant children; the denial of clean drinking water and adequate food; failure to provide necessary medical care; detention in freezing, unsanitary facilities; and other violations of federal law and policy and international law. The documents provide evidence that U.S. officials were aware of these abuses as they occurred, but failed to properly investigate, much less to remedy, these abuses.
You know you have no defense when all you can do is deflect to Obama.
I'm not deflecting, ding dong. I'm simply saying that NOTHING has changed.
Suddenly, however, with this president, there's outrage!
At least I can find evidence to show that for as much as things change they remain the same. Why don't you find evidence to show that our current practices are VASTLY different from those in 2014 (and in years prior)?
I'll wait . . . I have time today.
Obama didn't institue the "zero tolerance" policy that punitively rips families apart. Trump did. That has changed.
OK - great
But he also isn't sending children - who arrived unaccompanied - back over the border.
So which is better? keeping the children, even if they're separated from adults? (b/c both administrations were concerned about trafficking) or sending them back?
I think it's better not to punish children by separating them from their family. The Trump administration's concern for trafficking is not genuine and is not the impetus behind family separation. Sadistic, cruel punishment is. Nobody buys your faux concern BS. Just own up to your sadism.
Anonymous
06/25/2019 09:08
Subject: happening right now: 250 migrant children held in terrible, inhumane conditions in Texas
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I cannot imagining my 2 year old in these conditions. This is making me physically ill. What monsters. How do they sleep at night?!
Ask Obama and his former administration the same question. How did THOSE monsters sleep at night?
Why the sudden outrage? I'm sure I'm much older than you are, and I cannot remember the uproar when Obama was in office.
But are we going to OVERLOOK the ACLU's findings?
https://www.aclu.org/press-releases/aclu-obtains-documents-showing-widespread-abuse-child-immigrants-us-custody?redirect=news/aclu-obtains-documents-showing-widespread-abuse-child-immigrants-us-custody
The report is based on over 30,000 pages of documents dated between 2009 and 2014. The documents were obtained by the ACLU Foundation of San Diego & Imperial Counties and the ACLU Foundation of Arizona through a Freedom of Information Act lawsuit co-counseled with Cooley LLP. The documents feature numerous cases of shocking violence and abuse against migrant children, many of whom arrived in the United States fleeing violence in their home countries.
. . .
Law students in the International Human Rights Clinic examined a subset of the records obtained. The documents show numerous cases involving federal officials’ verbal, physical and sexual abuse of migrant children; the denial of clean drinking water and adequate food; failure to provide necessary medical care; detention in freezing, unsanitary facilities; and other violations of federal law and policy and international law. The documents provide evidence that U.S. officials were aware of these abuses as they occurred, but failed to properly investigate, much less to remedy, these abuses.
You know you have no defense when all you can do is deflect to Obama.
I'm not deflecting, ding dong. I'm simply saying that NOTHING has changed.
Suddenly, however, with this president, there's outrage!
At least I can find evidence to show that for as much as things change they remain the same. Why don't you find evidence to show that our current practices are VASTLY different from those in 2014 (and in years prior)?
I'll wait . . . I have time today.
Obama didn't institue the "zero tolerance" policy that punitively rips families apart. Trump did. That has changed.
OK - great
But he also isn't sending children - who arrived unaccompanied - back over the border.
So which is better? keeping the children, even if they're separated from adults? (b/c both administrations were concerned about trafficking) or sending them back?
Anonymous
06/25/2019 09:06
Subject: happening right now: 250 migrant children held in terrible, inhumane conditions in Texas
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I cannot imagining my 2 year old in these conditions. This is making me physically ill. What monsters. How do they sleep at night?!
Ask Obama and his former administration the same question. How did THOSE monsters sleep at night?
Why the sudden outrage? I'm sure I'm much older than you are, and I cannot remember the uproar when Obama was in office.
But are we going to OVERLOOK the ACLU's findings?
https://www.aclu.org/press-releases/aclu-obtains-documents-showing-widespread-abuse-child-immigrants-us-custody?redirect=news/aclu-obtains-documents-showing-widespread-abuse-child-immigrants-us-custody
The report is based on over 30,000 pages of documents dated between 2009 and 2014. The documents were obtained by the ACLU Foundation of San Diego & Imperial Counties and the ACLU Foundation of Arizona through a Freedom of Information Act lawsuit co-counseled with Cooley LLP. The documents feature numerous cases of shocking violence and abuse against migrant children, many of whom arrived in the United States fleeing violence in their home countries.
. . .
Law students in the International Human Rights Clinic examined a subset of the records obtained. The documents show numerous cases involving federal officials’ verbal, physical and sexual abuse of migrant children; the denial of clean drinking water and adequate food; failure to provide necessary medical care; detention in freezing, unsanitary facilities; and other violations of federal law and policy and international law. The documents provide evidence that U.S. officials were aware of these abuses as they occurred, but failed to properly investigate, much less to remedy, these abuses.
2 wrongs don’t make a right.
That Trumpers call themselves Christians makes me, a Christian, vomit.,Jesus Christ would denounce these actions of Trump and would be washing the chikdrens’ Feet himself if he were alive today. The hatred against others, especially the most innocent, shown by Trump and you his followers will be denounced for decades once fat orange a$$ is out of office. You supporters—what your children will think of you I can’t begin to imagine. For shame!
OK
So I see you can't argue w/o being emotional and calling people names.
I think we can agree that two wrongs don't make a right. But unfortunately, many of you cannot examine trends, and thus, have tantrums.
Calm down. Do some research and then return to argue as an adult.