Anonymous
06/12/2019 13:24
Subject: US vs Thailand
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I really don't think most people have seen the brackets. The US is in Group F with Chile, Sweden, and Thailand. The top TWO teams advance. If a team wins all three matches there are NO goal differential used. They would have 9 points (3 points for a win and 1 for a tie). If the US beats Sweden they will end up in first place. If the US loses to Sweden they will end up in second place and advance. The ONLY scenario where goal differential matters is if they tie Sweden. Then they would use goal differential. And because there are 24 teams to start and they have to go down to 16 teams then 4 third place teams will advance as well. This is different than World Cup where 32 teams start and only the top two teams advance.
However, if you look at the knock out stage, the US got a really easy draw! 24 teams start out
First place of Group F (US, Sweden, Thailand, Chile) plays 2nd place team of Group B (Germany, Spain, South Africa, China)
The SECOND place team in Group F will play the SECOND place team of E (New Zealand, Cameron, Canada, Netherlands). This is different than in the men's word cup because twop third place teams will advance.
So there was NO reason to score over 10 goals. And the celebrating that went along with it is ridiculous.
There is always a reason to score more goals if you are a professional player, regardless of whether goal differential will come into play for advancement. Every player in the World Cup is trying to build their resume to help with future contracts and endorsement deals. Many of them will get bonuses based on honors like Golden Boot or Golden Ball. Others will just be adding to their soccer resume, and a high number of total goals scored in a WC will be a very nice thing to list so you have to get them when you can. Others, like Morgan, will be shooting for US or world records in categories like most goals scored in a game, most goals scored in a WC, and most goals scored in a career. All of those things will not just help for future earnings and jobs after they retire, but also for posterity.
Soooo it wasn't about goal differential and advancing to them at all then. It was about personal achievements and incentives. Got it.
There’s truth to both, and both are legitimate reasons to drive up the score. The belief that team sports are only about the team and not the individuals that comprise the team is naive.
When one is celebrating a 9th or 10th goal it is no longer about celebrating advancing. It is celebrating PERSONAL achievement and that is why the celebrations were over the top and selfish.
I’m just talking about reasons for driving up the score, not how the goals were celebrated. But on that front, many athletes celebrate after every single goal they score, important games or not.
Anonymous
06/12/2019 13:24
Subject: US vs Thailand
Anonymous wrote:I really don't think most people have seen the brackets. The US is in Group F with Chile, Sweden, and Thailand. The top TWO teams advance. If a team wins all three matches there are NO goal differential used. They would have 9 points (3 points for a win and 1 for a tie). If the US beats Sweden they will end up in first place. If the US loses to Sweden they will end up in second place and advance. The ONLY scenario where goal differential matters is if they tie Sweden. Then they would use goal differential. And because there are 24 teams to start and they have to go down to 16 teams then 4 third place teams will advance as well. This is different than World Cup where 32 teams start and only the top two teams advance.
However, if you look at the knock out stage, the US got a really easy draw! 24 teams start out
First place of Group F (US, Sweden, Thailand, Chile) plays 2nd place team of Group B (Germany, Spain, South Africa, China)
The SECOND place team in Group F will play the SECOND place team of E (New Zealand, Cameron, Canada, Netherlands). This is different than in the men's word cup because twop third place teams will advance.
So there was NO reason to score over 10 goals. And the celebrating that went along with it is ridiculous.
And to continue looking strategically at the brackets. It might be better for the US to finish second in group F. If they win they will play either Spain or Germany- two tough teams who are playing right now. Then if they win they will probably have to play France (they are hosting so have huge advantage). So running up the score strategically was an awful idea. It is like another poster said the US team plays checkers while others play chess. No way is Sweden going to score over 13 even if Thailand walks off the field. So people need to stop bringing up goal differential as a reason they ran up the score. Strategically it was the wrong thing to do.
Anonymous
06/12/2019 13:20
Subject: US vs Thailand
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I really don't think most people have seen the brackets. The US is in Group F with Chile, Sweden, and Thailand. The top TWO teams advance. If a team wins all three matches there are NO goal differential used. They would have 9 points (3 points for a win and 1 for a tie). If the US beats Sweden they will end up in first place. If the US loses to Sweden they will end up in second place and advance. The ONLY scenario where goal differential matters is if they tie Sweden. Then they would use goal differential. And because there are 24 teams to start and they have to go down to 16 teams then 4 third place teams will advance as well. This is different than World Cup where 32 teams start and only the top two teams advance.
However, if you look at the knock out stage, the US got a really easy draw! 24 teams start out
First place of Group F (US, Sweden, Thailand, Chile) plays 2nd place team of Group B (Germany, Spain, South Africa, China)
The SECOND place team in Group F will play the SECOND place team of E (New Zealand, Cameron, Canada, Netherlands). This is different than in the men's word cup because twop third place teams will advance.
So there was NO reason to score over 10 goals. And the celebrating that went along with it is ridiculous.
There is always a reason to score more goals if you are a professional player, regardless of whether goal differential will come into play for advancement. Every player in the World Cup is trying to build their resume to help with future contracts and endorsement deals. Many of them will get bonuses based on honors like Golden Boot or Golden Ball. Others will just be adding to their soccer resume, and a high number of total goals scored in a WC will be a very nice thing to list so you have to get them when you can. Others, like Morgan, will be shooting for US or world records in categories like most goals scored in a game, most goals scored in a WC, and most goals scored in a career. All of those things will not just help for future earnings and jobs after they retire, but also for posterity.
Soooo it wasn't about goal differential and advancing to them at all then. It was about personal achievements and incentives. Got it.
There’s truth to both, and both are legitimate reasons to drive up the score. The belief that team sports are only about the team and not the individuals that comprise the team is naive.
When one is celebrating a 9th or 10th goal it is no longer about celebrating advancing. It is celebrating PERSONAL achievement and that is why the celebrations were over the top and selfish.
The celebrations are a separate issue, and I happen to agree with you on that front. But my comments were in response to this comment "So there was NO reason to score over 10 goals." As stated above, there are many good reasons for players to try to score when they can.
Anonymous
06/12/2019 13:19
Subject: US vs Thailand
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I support the women’s team but I do worry that whether or not people agree with how this particular game was played/celebrated, the debate will ultimately detract from their victories moving forward, no matter how well they play. I’ll also be curious to see how individual players choose to celebrate in future games. Will they give in to the detractors or will they continue to express themselves freely? Should be interesting.
I think future games will be far more competitive and this will not be an issue. But they did bring some unnecessary scrutiny on themselves in an otherwise flawless opening game.
But it is about context. I think most felt the over/under on this game against Thailand would have been at 5. So they were heavy favorites going in so act like it when you do win and you were expected to win big. This was not 13-0 against Germany so pump the breaks.
People are the worst. They brought this on themselves?! No! Busybody snowflakes are the ones melting down over this. They are the only ones with a problem. Why is everyone obsessed with controlling women.
Anonymous
06/12/2019 13:12
Subject: US vs Thailand
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I really don't think most people have seen the brackets. The US is in Group F with Chile, Sweden, and Thailand. The top TWO teams advance. If a team wins all three matches there are NO goal differential used. They would have 9 points (3 points for a win and 1 for a tie). If the US beats Sweden they will end up in first place. If the US loses to Sweden they will end up in second place and advance. The ONLY scenario where goal differential matters is if they tie Sweden. Then they would use goal differential. And because there are 24 teams to start and they have to go down to 16 teams then 4 third place teams will advance as well. This is different than World Cup where 32 teams start and only the top two teams advance.
However, if you look at the knock out stage, the US got a really easy draw! 24 teams start out
First place of Group F (US, Sweden, Thailand, Chile) plays 2nd place team of Group B (Germany, Spain, South Africa, China)
The SECOND place team in Group F will play the SECOND place team of E (New Zealand, Cameron, Canada, Netherlands). This is different than in the men's word cup because twop third place teams will advance.
So there was NO reason to score over 10 goals. And the celebrating that went along with it is ridiculous.
There is always a reason to score more goals if you are a professional player, regardless of whether goal differential will come into play for advancement. Every player in the World Cup is trying to build their resume to help with future contracts and endorsement deals. Many of them will get bonuses based on honors like Golden Boot or Golden Ball. Others will just be adding to their soccer resume, and a high number of total goals scored in a WC will be a very nice thing to list so you have to get them when you can. Others, like Morgan, will be shooting for US or world records in categories like most goals scored in a game, most goals scored in a WC, and most goals scored in a career. All of those things will not just help for future earnings and jobs after they retire, but also for posterity.
Soooo it wasn't about goal differential and advancing to them at all then. It was about personal achievements and incentives. Got it.
There’s truth to both, and both are legitimate reasons to drive up the score. The belief that team sports are only about the team and not the individuals that comprise the team is naive.
When one is celebrating a 9th or 10th goal it is no longer about celebrating advancing. It is celebrating PERSONAL achievement and that is why the celebrations were over the top and selfish.
Anonymous
06/12/2019 13:10
Subject: US vs Thailand
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I really don't think most people have seen the brackets. The US is in Group F with Chile, Sweden, and Thailand. The top TWO teams advance. If a team wins all three matches there are NO goal differential used. They would have 9 points (3 points for a win and 1 for a tie). If the US beats Sweden they will end up in first place. If the US loses to Sweden they will end up in second place and advance. The ONLY scenario where goal differential matters is if they tie Sweden. Then they would use goal differential. And because there are 24 teams to start and they have to go down to 16 teams then 4 third place teams will advance as well. This is different than World Cup where 32 teams start and only the top two teams advance.
However, if you look at the knock out stage, the US got a really easy draw! 24 teams start out
First place of Group F (US, Sweden, Thailand, Chile) plays 2nd place team of Group B (Germany, Spain, South Africa, China)
The SECOND place team in Group F will play the SECOND place team of E (New Zealand, Cameron, Canada, Netherlands). This is different than in the men's word cup because twop third place teams will advance.
So there was NO reason to score over 10 goals. And the celebrating that went along with it is ridiculous.
There is always a reason to score more goals if you are a professional player, regardless of whether goal differential will come into play for advancement. Every player in the World Cup is trying to build their resume to help with future contracts and endorsement deals. Many of them will get bonuses based on honors like Golden Boot or Golden Ball. Others will just be adding to their soccer resume, and a high number of total goals scored in a WC will be a very nice thing to list so you have to get them when you can. Others, like Morgan, will be shooting for US or world records in categories like most goals scored in a game, most goals scored in a WC, and most goals scored in a career. All of those things will not just help for future earnings and jobs after they retire, but also for posterity.
Soooo it wasn't about goal differential and advancing to them at all then. It was about personal achievements and incentives. Got it.
What a strange comment. Of course they care about the team advancing as well.
Advancing was pretty assured at the 5 goal mark.
Anonymous
06/12/2019 13:08
Subject: US vs Thailand
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I really don't think most people have seen the brackets. The US is in Group F with Chile, Sweden, and Thailand. The top TWO teams advance. If a team wins all three matches there are NO goal differential used. They would have 9 points (3 points for a win and 1 for a tie). If the US beats Sweden they will end up in first place. If the US loses to Sweden they will end up in second place and advance. The ONLY scenario where goal differential matters is if they tie Sweden. Then they would use goal differential. And because there are 24 teams to start and they have to go down to 16 teams then 4 third place teams will advance as well. This is different than World Cup where 32 teams start and only the top two teams advance.
However, if you look at the knock out stage, the US got a really easy draw! 24 teams start out
First place of Group F (US, Sweden, Thailand, Chile) plays 2nd place team of Group B (Germany, Spain, South Africa, China)
The SECOND place team in Group F will play the SECOND place team of E (New Zealand, Cameron, Canada, Netherlands). This is different than in the men's word cup because twop third place teams will advance.
So there was NO reason to score over 10 goals. And the celebrating that went along with it is ridiculous.
There is always a reason to score more goals if you are a professional player, regardless of whether goal differential will come into play for advancement. Every player in the World Cup is trying to build their resume to help with future contracts and endorsement deals. Many of them will get bonuses based on honors like Golden Boot or Golden Ball. Others will just be adding to their soccer resume, and a high number of total goals scored in a WC will be a very nice thing to list so you have to get them when you can. Others, like Morgan, will be shooting for US or world records in categories like most goals scored in a game, most goals scored in a WC, and most goals scored in a career. All of those things will not just help for future earnings and jobs after they retire, but also for posterity.
Soooo it wasn't about goal differential and advancing to them at all then. It was about personal achievements and incentives. Got it.
What a strange comment. Of course they care about the team advancing as well.
Anonymous
06/12/2019 13:05
Subject: US vs Thailand
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I really don't think most people have seen the brackets. The US is in Group F with Chile, Sweden, and Thailand. The top TWO teams advance. If a team wins all three matches there are NO goal differential used. They would have 9 points (3 points for a win and 1 for a tie). If the US beats Sweden they will end up in first place. If the US loses to Sweden they will end up in second place and advance. The ONLY scenario where goal differential matters is if they tie Sweden. Then they would use goal differential. And because there are 24 teams to start and they have to go down to 16 teams then 4 third place teams will advance as well. This is different than World Cup where 32 teams start and only the top two teams advance.
However, if you look at the knock out stage, the US got a really easy draw! 24 teams start out
First place of Group F (US, Sweden, Thailand, Chile) plays 2nd place team of Group B (Germany, Spain, South Africa, China)
The SECOND place team in Group F will play the SECOND place team of E (New Zealand, Cameron, Canada, Netherlands). This is different than in the men's word cup because twop third place teams will advance.
So there was NO reason to score over 10 goals. And the celebrating that went along with it is ridiculous.
There is always a reason to score more goals if you are a professional player, regardless of whether goal differential will come into play for advancement. Every player in the World Cup is trying to build their resume to help with future contracts and endorsement deals. Many of them will get bonuses based on honors like Golden Boot or Golden Ball. Others will just be adding to their soccer resume, and a high number of total goals scored in a WC will be a very nice thing to list so you have to get them when you can. Others, like Morgan, will be shooting for US or world records in categories like most goals scored in a game, most goals scored in a WC, and most goals scored in a career. All of those things will not just help for future earnings and jobs after they retire, but also for posterity.
Soooo it wasn't about goal differential and advancing to them at all then. It was about personal achievements and incentives. Got it.
There’s truth to both, and both are legitimate reasons to drive up the score. The belief that team sports are only about the team and not the individuals that comprise the team is naive.
Anonymous
06/12/2019 13:03
Subject: US vs Thailand
Anonymous wrote:Thought exercise: Did anyone ever criticize these Super Bowl winners for continuing to score?
https://www.si.com/nfl/2017/02/05/biggest-blowouts-super-bowl-history
And here is another thought exercise. The USWNT just set the goal differential bar against Thailand. Now, simply beating them will no longer be the incentive of any of their remaining opponents. They will all be gunning to come as close to the 13 goal marker against a vulnerable opponent.
Anonymous
06/12/2019 12:59
Subject: US vs Thailand
Anonymous wrote:Thought exercise: Did anyone ever criticize these Super Bowl winners for continuing to score?
https://www.si.com/nfl/2017/02/05/biggest-blowouts-super-bowl-history
That is the finals of that chosen sport. Do those players celebrate when they pummel say a bottom ranked Cleveland of hte past decade or a late 70's early 80's Saints or the 80's Buccaneers? No, because they know they are supposed to beat those teams.
Yesterday was not the World Cup finals and your comparing their celebrations to Super Bowl games demonstrates that you don't understand the difference.
Anonymous
06/12/2019 12:56
Subject: US vs Thailand
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I really don't think most people have seen the brackets. The US is in Group F with Chile, Sweden, and Thailand. The top TWO teams advance. If a team wins all three matches there are NO goal differential used. They would have 9 points (3 points for a win and 1 for a tie). If the US beats Sweden they will end up in first place. If the US loses to Sweden they will end up in second place and advance. The ONLY scenario where goal differential matters is if they tie Sweden. Then they would use goal differential. And because there are 24 teams to start and they have to go down to 16 teams then 4 third place teams will advance as well. This is different than World Cup where 32 teams start and only the top two teams advance.
However, if you look at the knock out stage, the US got a really easy draw! 24 teams start out
First place of Group F (US, Sweden, Thailand, Chile) plays 2nd place team of Group B (Germany, Spain, South Africa, China)
The SECOND place team in Group F will play the SECOND place team of E (New Zealand, Cameron, Canada, Netherlands). This is different than in the men's word cup because twop third place teams will advance.
So there was NO reason to score over 10 goals. And the celebrating that went along with it is ridiculous.
There is always a reason to score more goals if you are a professional player, regardless of whether goal differential will come into play for advancement. Every player in the World Cup is trying to build their resume to help with future contracts and endorsement deals. Many of them will get bonuses based on honors like Golden Boot or Golden Ball. Others will just be adding to their soccer resume, and a high number of total goals scored in a WC will be a very nice thing to list so you have to get them when you can. Others, like Morgan, will be shooting for US or world records in categories like most goals scored in a game, most goals scored in a WC, and most goals scored in a career. All of those things will not just help for future earnings and jobs after they retire, but also for posterity.
Soooo it wasn't about goal differential and advancing to them at all then. It was about personal achievements and incentives. Got it.
Anonymous
06/12/2019 12:56
Subject: US vs Thailand
Thought exercise: Did anyone ever criticize these Super Bowl winners for continuing to score?
https://www.si.com/nfl/2017/02/05/biggest-blowouts-super-bowl-history
https://www.si.com/nfl/2017/02/05/biggest-blowouts-super-bowl-history
Anonymous
06/12/2019 12:54
Subject: US vs Thailand
Anonymous wrote:I really don't think most people have seen the brackets. The US is in Group F with Chile, Sweden, and Thailand. The top TWO teams advance. If a team wins all three matches there are NO goal differential used. They would have 9 points (3 points for a win and 1 for a tie). If the US beats Sweden they will end up in first place. If the US loses to Sweden they will end up in second place and advance. The ONLY scenario where goal differential matters is if they tie Sweden. Then they would use goal differential. And because there are 24 teams to start and they have to go down to 16 teams then 4 third place teams will advance as well. This is different than World Cup where 32 teams start and only the top two teams advance.
However, if you look at the knock out stage, the US got a really easy draw! 24 teams start out
First place of Group F (US, Sweden, Thailand, Chile) plays 2nd place team of Group B (Germany, Spain, South Africa, China)
The SECOND place team in Group F will play the SECOND place team of E (New Zealand, Cameron, Canada, Netherlands). This is different than in the men's word cup because twop third place teams will advance.
So there was NO reason to score over 10 goals. And the celebrating that went along with it is ridiculous.
There is always a reason to score more goals if you are a professional player, regardless of whether goal differential will come into play for advancement. Every player in the World Cup is trying to build their resume to help with future contracts and endorsement deals. Many of them will get bonuses based on honors like Golden Boot or Golden Ball. Others will just be adding to their soccer resume, and a high number of total goals scored in a WC will be a very nice thing to list so you have to get them when you can. Others, like Morgan, will be shooting for US or world records in categories like most goals scored in a game, most goals scored in a WC, and most goals scored in a career. All of those things will not just help for future earnings and jobs after they retire, but also for posterity.
Anonymous
06/12/2019 12:39
Subject: US vs Thailand
Anonymous wrote:I support the women’s team but I do worry that whether or not people agree with how this particular game was played/celebrated, the debate will ultimately detract from their victories moving forward, no matter how well they play. I’ll also be curious to see how individual players choose to celebrate in future games. Will they give in to the detractors or will they continue to express themselves freely? Should be interesting.
I think future games will be far more competitive and this will not be an issue. But they did bring some unnecessary scrutiny on themselves in an otherwise flawless opening game.
But it is about context. I think most felt the over/under on this game against Thailand would have been at 5. So they were heavy favorites going in so act like it when you do win and you were expected to win big. This was not 13-0 against Germany so pump the breaks.
Anonymous
06/12/2019 12:33
Subject: US vs Thailand
I support the women’s team but I do worry that whether or not people agree with how this particular game was played/celebrated, the debate will ultimately detract from their victories moving forward, no matter how well they play. I’ll also be curious to see how individual players choose to celebrate in future games. Will they give in to the detractors or will they continue to express themselves freely? Should be interesting.