Anonymous wrote:Reading this thread, it feels like people thing that parents can take their kid to the pediatrician, say their kid has ADHD, get a note, and get SAT/ ACT accommodations. That is just. It the way it works. You are talking about needing extensive, objective testing documenting a disability and a long history of needing and using disability services. It is an expensive, difficult, time consuming process spanning years. Sure, my kid gets extended time on tests in some subjects. But that doesn’t make the class period longer. He gets the test one page at a time, and has to schedule with the teacher to use the extended time during lunch or after school. And needs a paper trail of having done that back through middle school.

The college board is especially harsh on kids who are not diagnosed until high school. We were lucky enough to have a paper trail going back to ES, with annual meetings and regular accommodations usage and testing updated every three years and a school testing coordinator who knew what they were doing. So we got through the process relatively easily. I know kids with a legitimate academic need for testing accommodations who have not been able to get them because they did informal accommodations with no real paperwork until their kid had to be medicated in high school.

Schools vary on how hard they push back on accommodations. I’m sure colleges do too. But the idea that everyone who decides they want SAT/ ACT accommodations gets them is wrong.

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Anonymous wrote:There are some really horrible people on this thread. God, I hope there are some sock puppets, cause it is hard to believe that so many people feel this way about people with disabilities.

Yes, there are horrible people in this thred bragging about their children cheating the system instead of accepting their snowflakes are a disappointment

Pftt, you're a bumpkin that thinks everything of value summed up by a test. It takes a lot more than a score for anyone to get ahead. If you can't come to terms with that, you've got bigger problems than disabled people getting a fair shake.

DP. Thinking people shouldn't game the system is very different from thinking everything is the sum of a test. In fact the people cheating to get an advantage on the test seem more inclined to believe everything hinges on that test.

What irks me is that people think that just because a kid with accommodations does well on the test, they are somehow gaming the system. My kid was diagnosed with ADHD, slow processing, and anxiety in 2nd grade. He was retested at the end of middle school and the only thing that changed was that his anxiety was gone but ADHD and slow processing consistent with last diagnosis (different doctor). That tells me that the accommodations are working for him. BUT, because he is a straight A student with VERY high standardized test scores, people think that somehow we are gaming the system. Sad that people are so heartless.

That's because processing speed is one thing that timed tests are actually designed to measure. so he is gaming the system. doesn't mean he's not intelligent, but he is getting an advantage.

ACT and SAT are not speeded tests.

The ACT is very tightly timed. Many, many students run out of time, and extra time is a huge benefit.

Absolutley. And just about any kid could get diagnosed for anxiety.

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Anonymous wrote:There are some really horrible people on this thread. God, I hope there are some sock puppets, cause it is hard to believe that so many people feel this way about people with disabilities.

Yes, there are horrible people in this thred bragging about their children cheating the system instead of accepting their snowflakes are a disappointment

Pftt, you're a bumpkin that thinks everything of value summed up by a test. It takes a lot more than a score for anyone to get ahead. If you can't come to terms with that, you've got bigger problems than disabled people getting a fair shake.

DP. Thinking people shouldn't game the system is very different from thinking everything is the sum of a test. In fact the people cheating to get an advantage on the test seem more inclined to believe everything hinges on that test.

What irks me is that people think that just because a kid with accommodations does well on the test, they are somehow gaming the system. My kid was diagnosed with ADHD, slow processing, and anxiety in 2nd grade. He was retested at the end of middle school and the only thing that changed was that his anxiety was gone but ADHD and slow processing consistent with last diagnosis (different doctor). That tells me that the accommodations are working for him. BUT, because he is a straight A student with VERY high standardized test scores, people think that somehow we are gaming the system. Sad that people are so heartless.

That's because processing speed is one thing that timed tests are actually designed to measure. so he is gaming the system. doesn't mean he's not intelligent, but he is getting an advantage.

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Anonymous wrote:There are some really horrible people on this thread. God, I hope there are some sock puppets, cause it is hard to believe that so many people feel this way about people with disabilities.

Yes, there are horrible people in this thred bragging about their children cheating the system instead of accepting their snowflakes are a disappointment

Pftt, you're a bumpkin that thinks everything of value summed up by a test. It takes a lot more than a score for anyone to get ahead. If you can't come to terms with that, you've got bigger problems than disabled people getting a fair shake.

DP. Thinking people shouldn't game the system is very different from thinking everything is the sum of a test. In fact the people cheating to get an advantage on the test seem more inclined to believe everything hinges on that test.

What irks me is that people think that just because a kid with accommodations does well on the test, they are somehow gaming the system. My kid was diagnosed with ADHD, slow processing, and anxiety in 2nd grade. He was retested at the end of middle school and the only thing that changed was that his anxiety was gone but ADHD and slow processing consistent with last diagnosis (different doctor). That tells me that the accommodations are working for him. BUT, because he is a straight A student with VERY high standardized test scores, people think that somehow we are gaming the system. Sad that people are so heartless.

That's because processing speed is one thing that timed tests are actually designed to measure. so he is gaming the system. doesn't mean he's not intelligent, but he is getting an advantage.

ACT and SAT are not speeded tests.

The ACT is very tightly timed. Many, many students run out of time, and extra time is a huge benefit.

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Anonymous wrote:There are some really horrible people on this thread. God, I hope there are some sock puppets, cause it is hard to believe that so many people feel this way about people with disabilities.

Yes, there are horrible people in this thred bragging about their children cheating the system instead of accepting their snowflakes are a disappointment

Pftt, you're a bumpkin that thinks everything of value summed up by a test. It takes a lot more than a score for anyone to get ahead. If you can't come to terms with that, you've got bigger problems than disabled people getting a fair shake.

DP. Thinking people shouldn't game the system is very different from thinking everything is the sum of a test. In fact the people cheating to get an advantage on the test seem more inclined to believe everything hinges on that test.

What irks me is that people think that just because a kid with accommodations does well on the test, they are somehow gaming the system. My kid was diagnosed with ADHD, slow processing, and anxiety in 2nd grade. He was retested at the end of middle school and the only thing that changed was that his anxiety was gone but ADHD and slow processing consistent with last diagnosis (different doctor). That tells me that the accommodations are working for him. BUT, because he is a straight A student with VERY high standardized test scores, people think that somehow we are gaming the system. Sad that people are so heartless.

That's because processing speed is one thing that timed tests are actually designed to measure. so he is gaming the system. doesn't mean he's not intelligent, but he is getting an advantage.

ACT and SAT are not speeded tests.

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Anonymous wrote:There are some really horrible people on this thread. God, I hope there are some sock puppets, cause it is hard to believe that so many people feel this way about people with disabilities.

Yes, there are horrible people in this thred bragging about their children cheating the system instead of accepting their snowflakes are a disappointment

Pftt, you're a bumpkin that thinks everything of value summed up by a test. It takes a lot more than a score for anyone to get ahead. If you can't come to terms with that, you've got bigger problems than disabled people getting a fair shake.

DP. Thinking people shouldn't game the system is very different from thinking everything is the sum of a test. In fact the people cheating to get an advantage on the test seem more inclined to believe everything hinges on that test.

What irks me is that people think that just because a kid with accommodations does well on the test, they are somehow gaming the system. My kid was diagnosed with ADHD, slow processing, and anxiety in 2nd grade. He was retested at the end of middle school and the only thing that changed was that his anxiety was gone but ADHD and slow processing consistent with last diagnosis (different doctor). That tells me that the accommodations are working for him. BUT, because he is a straight A student with VERY high standardized test scores, people think that somehow we are gaming the system. Sad that people are so heartless.

That's because processing speed is one thing that timed tests are actually designed to measure. so he is gaming the system. doesn't mean he's not intelligent, but he is getting an advantage.

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Anonymous wrote:There are some really horrible people on this thread. God, I hope there are some sock puppets, cause it is hard to believe that so many people feel this way about people with disabilities.

Yes, there are horrible people in this thred bragging about their children cheating the system instead of accepting their snowflakes are a disappointment

Pftt, you're a bumpkin that thinks everything of value summed up by a test. It takes a lot more than a score for anyone to get ahead. If you can't come to terms with that, you've got bigger problems than disabled people getting a fair shake.

DP. Thinking people shouldn't game the system is very different from thinking everything is the sum of a test. In fact the people cheating to get an advantage on the test seem more inclined to believe everything hinges on that test.

What irks me is that people think that just because a kid with accommodations does well on the test, they are somehow gaming the system. My kid was diagnosed with ADHD, slow processing, and anxiety in 2nd grade. He was retested at the end of middle school and the only thing that changed was that his anxiety was gone but ADHD and slow processing consistent with last diagnosis (different doctor). That tells me that the accommodations are working for him. BUT, because he is a straight A student with VERY high standardized test scores, people think that somehow we are gaming the system. Sad that people are so heartless.

That's because processing speed is one thing that timed tests are actually designed to measure. so he is gaming the system. doesn't mean he's not intelligent, but he is getting an advantage.

Anonymous wrote:Reading this thread, it feels like people thing that parents can take their kid to the pediatrician, say their kid has ADHD, get a note, and get SAT/ ACT accommodations. That is just. It the way it works. You are talking about needing extensive, objective testing documenting a disability and a long history of needing and using disability services. It is an expensive, difficult, time consuming process spanning years. Sure, my kid gets extended time on tests in some subjects. But that doesn’t make the class period longer. He gets the test one page at a time, and has to schedule with the teacher to use the extended time during lunch or after school. And needs a paper trail of having done that back through middle school.

The college board is especially harsh on kids who are not diagnosed until high school. We were lucky enough to have a paper trail going back to ES, with annual meetings and regular accommodations usage and testing updated every three years and a school testing coordinator who knew what they were doing. So we got through the process relatively easily. I know kids with a legitimate academic need for testing accommodations who have not been able to get them because they did informal accommodations with no real paperwork until their kid had to be medicated in high school.

Schools vary on how hard they push back on accommodations. I’m sure colleges do too. But the idea that everyone who decides they want SAT/ ACT accommodations gets them is wrong.

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Anonymous wrote:There are some really horrible people on this thread. God, I hope there are some sock puppets, cause it is hard to believe that so many people feel this way about people with disabilities.

Yes, there are horrible people in this thred bragging about their children cheating the system instead of accepting their snowflakes are a disappointment

Pftt, you're a bumpkin that thinks everything of value summed up by a test. It takes a lot more than a score for anyone to get ahead. If you can't come to terms with that, you've got bigger problems than disabled people getting a fair shake.

DP. Thinking people shouldn't game the system is very different from thinking everything is the sum of a test. In fact the people cheating to get an advantage on the test seem more inclined to believe everything hinges on that test.

What irks me is that people think that just because a kid with accommodations does well on the test, they are somehow gaming the system. My kid was diagnosed with ADHD, slow processing, and anxiety in 2nd grade. He was retested at the end of middle school and the only thing that changed was that his anxiety was gone but ADHD and slow processing consistent with last diagnosis (different doctor). That tells me that the accommodations are working for him. BUT, because he is a straight A student with VERY high standardized test scores, people think that somehow we are gaming the system. Sad that people are so heartless.

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Anonymous wrote:There are some really horrible people on this thread. God, I hope there are some sock puppets, cause it is hard to believe that so many people feel this way about people with disabilities.

Yes, there are horrible people in this thred bragging about their children cheating the system instead of accepting their snowflakes are a disappointment

Pftt, you're a bumpkin that thinks everything of value summed up by a test. It takes a lot more than a score for anyone to get ahead. If you can't come to terms with that, you've got bigger problems than disabled people getting a fair shake.

DP. Thinking people shouldn't game the system is very different from thinking everything is the sum of a test. In fact the people cheating to get an advantage on the test seem more inclined to believe everything hinges on that test.

What irks me is that people think that just because a kid with accommodations does well on the test, they are somehow gaming the system. My kid was diagnosed with ADHD, slow processing, and anxiety in 2nd grade. He was retested at the end of middle school and the only thing that changed was that his anxiety was gone but ADHD and slow processing consistent with last diagnosis (different doctor). That tells me that the accommodations are working for him. BUT, because he is a straight A student with VERY high standardized test scores, people think that somehow we are gaming the system. Sad that people are so heartless.

Same here pp. I have two dc with disabilities one with dysgraphia only; the other with more complicated disabilities. Both are very smart. Neither "looks" disabled. There was no going to a pediatrician to get a dx of adhd. Both dc had issues noted in elementary. I have spent a fortune on testing and therapies to try to help them. My dc scored well on the sat and can get decent enough grades with accommodations. Without accommodations, these are the kids who hate school and tune out and drop out. We know where they end up. The short sighted views expressed by some of these posters is so ignorant and based on petty jealousy.

Anonymous wrote:It is going to get worse before it gets better. In 2017, after being sued, the SAT and ACT both automatically accept whatever accommodations are on a 504plan or IEP or whatever plan a private school uses. It really gives an advantage to wealthy parents who pay privately for testing and then threaten to sue the school unless their kid gets a 504 plan if in public. In private school why wouldn't schools want to have as many students as possible get extra time. There average SAT will be higher and their students will get into better colleges. The SAT did a study that showed extra time is beneficial for students who are higher scoring with and without disabilities. So everyone who is doing well to begin with will do better. It doesn't benefit any lower scoring students sho just haven't mastered the material to begin with.

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Anonymous wrote:There are some really horrible people on this thread. God, I hope there are some sock puppets, cause it is hard to believe that so many people feel this way about people with disabilities.

Yes, there are horrible people in this thred bragging about their children cheating the system instead of accepting their snowflakes are a disappointment

Pftt, you're a bumpkin that thinks everything of value summed up by a test. It takes a lot more than a score for anyone to get ahead. If you can't come to terms with that, you've got bigger problems than disabled people getting a fair shake.

DP. Thinking people shouldn't game the system is very different from thinking everything is the sum of a test. In fact the people cheating to get an advantage on the test seem more inclined to believe everything hinges on that test.

What irks me is that people think that just because a kid with accommodations does well on the test, they are somehow gaming the system. My kid was diagnosed with ADHD, slow processing, and anxiety in 2nd grade. He was retested at the end of middle school and the only thing that changed was that his anxiety was gone but ADHD and slow processing consistent with last diagnosis (different doctor). That tells me that the accommodations are working for him. BUT, because he is a straight A student with VERY high standardized test scores, people think that somehow we are gaming the system. Sad that people are so heartless.

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Anonymous wrote:There are some really horrible people on this thread. God, I hope there are some sock puppets, cause it is hard to believe that so many people feel this way about people with disabilities.

Yes, there are horrible people in this thred bragging about their children cheating the system instead of accepting their snowflakes are a disappointment

Pftt, you're a bumpkin that thinks everything of value summed up by a test. It takes a lot more than a score for anyone to get ahead. If you can't come to terms with that, you've got bigger problems than disabled people getting a fair shake.

DP. Thinking people shouldn't game the system is very different from thinking everything is the sum of a test. In fact the people cheating to get an advantage on the test seem more inclined to believe everything hinges on that test.

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Anonymous wrote:There are some really horrible people on this thread. God, I hope there are some sock puppets, cause it is hard to believe that so many people feel this way about people with disabilities.

Yes, there are horrible people in this thred bragging about their children cheating the system instead of accepting their snowflakes are a disappointment

Pftt, you're a bumpkin that thinks everything of value summed up by a test. It takes a lot more than a score for anyone to get ahead. If you can't come to terms with that, you've got bigger problems than disabled people getting a fair shake.