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The data also shows there are MANY more Asian and white kids who could thrive in a magnet environment. Why aren't we commissioning studies and changing policies to figure out a way to get more of them into the programs?

In fact, the Metis study addressed that issue too.

Lots of kids would do well in the magnet programs So I don't understand why (some) people are having a hard time with the idea that there are black and Hispanic kids who are not in the magnet programs who would do well in the magnet programs.

I don't think anyone has a hard time with the idea that there are brilliant black and Hispanic children. Of course there are. I think what people have a hard time with is the county trying to level the playing field. If the PP is in the ballpark with:

So 212 Hispanic kids, 1,055 white kids, 158 black kids, and 736 Asian kids scored "exceeds" in math

what people are having trouble with is the county wanted to make the center programs look like 6 Hispanic kids, 6 white kids, 6 black kids and 6 Asian kids.

...you're opposed to a level playing field?

Anonymous wrote:Percentage of students who “exceeded expectations” in Math by race
Asian 43.8%
Black 6.6%
Hispanic 5.7%
White 29.3%

Percentage of students who “exceeded expectations” in English by race
Asian 16.2%
Black 2.7%
Hispanic 1.4%
White 11.4%

Percentage of students accepted at HGCs by race, in the year studied in the Metis report
Asian 21.3%
Black 8.9%
Hispanic 10.1%
White 22.3%

I strongly agree with removing some barriers to access such as providing buses to testing and conducting a universal review. I think this will help poor students and those from disadvantaged backgrounds regardless of race. It’s the focus on race in the report and by MCPS that bothers me.

From looking at these test scores, you could argue that black and Hispanic students are OVERrepresented in acceptances at elementary magnets.

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The data also shows there are MANY more Asian and white kids who could thrive in a magnet environment. Why aren't we commissioning studies and changing policies to figure out a way to get more of them into the programs?

In fact, the Metis study addressed that issue too.

Lots of kids would do well in the magnet programs So I don't understand why (some) people are having a hard time with the idea that there are black and Hispanic kids who are not in the magnet programs who would do well in the magnet programs.

I don't think anyone has a hard time with the idea that there are brilliant black and Hispanic children. Of course there are. I think what people have a hard time with is the county trying to level the playing field. If the PP is in the ballpark with:

So 212 Hispanic kids, 1,055 white kids, 158 black kids, and 736 Asian kids scored "exceeds" in math

what people are having trouble with is the county wanted to make the center programs look like 6 Hispanic kids, 6 white kids, 6 black kids and 6 Asian kids.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:


The data also shows there are MANY more Asian and white kids who could thrive in a magnet environment. Why aren't we commissioning studies and changing policies to figure out a way to get more of them into the programs?

In fact, the Metis study addressed that issue too.

Lots of kids would do well in the magnet programs So I don't understand why (some) people are having a hard time with the idea that there are black and Hispanic kids who are not in the magnet programs who would do well in the magnet programs.

I think it shows that there are more Asian/white students who would do well in the program than the other way. So, if they expanded the program, did the number of Asian/white kids go up, too? Hard to say since McpS won't show the data or even what the median score of accepted students were so parents could figure out where their kid placed.

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Anonymous wrote:


The data also shows there are MANY more Asian and white kids who could thrive in a magnet environment. Why aren't we commissioning studies and changing policies to figure out a way to get more of them into the programs?

In fact, the Metis study addressed that issue too.

Lots of kids would do well in the magnet programs So I don't understand why (some) people are having a hard time with the idea that there are black and Hispanic kids who are not in the magnet programs who would do well in the magnet programs.

So 212 Hispanic kids, 1,055 white kids, 158 black kids, and 736 Asian kids scored "exceeds" in math

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:


The data also shows there are MANY more Asian and white kids who could thrive in a magnet environment. Why aren't we commissioning studies and changing policies to figure out a way to get more of them into the programs?

In fact, the Metis study addressed that issue too.

Lots of kids would do well in the magnet programs So I don't understand why (some) people are having a hard time with the idea that there are black and Hispanic kids who are not in the magnet programs who would do well in the magnet programs.

Anonymous wrote: So 212 Hispanic kids, 1,055 white kids, 158 black kids, and 736 Asian kids scored "exceeds" in math. And 52 Hispanic kids, 410 white kids, 65 black kids, and 272 Asian kids scored "exceeds" in English.
How many spots are there in the CESs?

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The data also shows there are MANY more Asian and white kids who could thrive in a magnet environment. Why aren't we commissioning studies and changing policies to figure out a way to get more of them into the programs?

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Anonymous wrote:Just a data point.

2017 PARCC scores for Montgomery County 3rd grade students (this year's HGC pool) by race

English - Met or Exceeded expectations

Asian - 72.2%
Black - 34%
Hispanic - 24.5%
White - 67.8%

English - Did not meet or Partially met expectations

Asian - 12.2%
Black - 42.7%
Hispanic - 52.7%
White - 14.1%

Math - Met or Exceeded expectations

Asian - 82.1%
Black - 37.9%
Hispanic - 32.9%
White - 74%

Math - Did not meet or Partially met expectations

Asian - 6.8%
Black - 34.9%
Hispanic - 39.4%
White - 9.9%

Is there a point for this data point, because from what I see, there are many URM that should be tested and would thrive in a magnet environment -

Math Met or Exceeded Expectations:

Asian - 82.1%
Black - 37.9%
Hispanic - 32.9%
White - 74%

English:

Asian - 72.2%
Black - 34%
Hispanic - 24.5%
White - 67.8%

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Let me reduce to only 'Exceeds'

English

Asian 16.2%
Black 2.7%
Hispanic 1.4%
White 11.4%

Math

Asian 43.8%
Black 6.6%
Hispanic 5.7%
White 29.3%

Yup. Lots of kids.

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Yup. Lots of kids.

Yes. And with percentages of high achievers that look like:

Asian 16.2%
Black 2.7%
Hispanic 1.4%
White 11.4%

What demographic break down would you expect in a class of 27?

Anonymous wrote:
Yup. Lots of kids.

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Anonymous wrote:

Is there a point for this data point, because from what I see, there are many URM that should be tested and would thrive in a magnet environment -

Math Met or Exceeded Expectations:

Asian - 82.1%
Black - 37.9%
Hispanic - 32.9%
White - 74%

English:

Asian - 72.2%
Black - 34%
Hispanic - 24.5%
White - 67.8%

That's what I see, too.

Let me reduce to only 'Exceeds'

English

Asian 16.2%
Black 2.7%
Hispanic 1.4%
White 11.4%

Math

Asian 43.8%
Black 6.6%
Hispanic 5.7%
White 29.3%

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Is there a point for this data point, because from what I see, there are many URM that should be tested and would thrive in a magnet environment -

Math Met or Exceeded Expectations:

Asian - 82.1%
Black - 37.9%
Hispanic - 32.9%
White - 74%

English:

Asian - 72.2%
Black - 34%
Hispanic - 24.5%
White - 67.8%

That's what I see, too.