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Anonymous wrote:So basically you’re both saying its not skills development for the Bs, it’s more physical and roster increase.

Sadly, i also think there is a ceiling in what foot skills can do without adequate speed/strength in development, especially for girls. I dont know how you overcome that, realistically.

No, that is not what I implied at all. What I implied is that a B team starter is more likely to actually develop in soccer ways over the A team bench player. While training with the A team in theory should help the A team bench player the reality is there is likely very little that separates the A team kid form the B team kid. But, given a good environment and far more playing time the B team starter can easily pass the A team Bench player. Keep in mind that rosters are small at the young ages. If you look at a U9 A/B team as a eventual 11v11 player pool good training and playing is more important than which group of kids your kid is paired with.

The back end of A teams are filled with squeaky wheels who are no better than their B team counterparts. Most player pools are similar to a Bell Curve. Out of 20 kids you have your top 5, your bottom 5 and everyone else is packed in the middle, separated only by a coaches early hunch. The line that separates kid 10 from 11 is razor thin.

At that age u9-u11, there should not be much difference in playing time. Most places are playing everyone the same amount and rotating all players through all positions. Now in the later years when everyone has a position and has to fight for playing time, it more important to get playing time.

I did see your comment before it was taken down. Sorry, but there is a difference in playing time, even at U9. That difference only increases as the kids get older. But that is one of reasons why B and C teams exist, to ensure that kids have an opportunity to play as much as possible. But A team parents are generally loath to take the "demotion" for the benefit of their kid and in return their kid gets to sit more and more each year while the top couple of kids on the B team are playing and improving. The A team is often over rostered in many clubs simply to retain kids who are still good but would certainly leave if placed properly on a B team. But a 7v7 U9/10 team with a roster of 12 kids does not spell either equal or meaningful playing time. If your 7v7 U9/U10 team has 10 kids then yes, playing time is generally equal.

Anonymous wrote:getting back to girl's soccer, is anyone planning to go to WS DA two tryouts coming up? what have they told parents about timing of offers?

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Anonymous wrote:So basically you’re both saying its not skills development for the Bs, it’s more physical and roster increase.

Sadly, i also think there is a ceiling in what foot skills can do without adequate speed/strength in development, especially for girls. I dont know how you overcome that, realistically.

No, that is not what I implied at all. What I implied is that a B team starter is more likely to actually develop in soccer ways over the A team bench player. While training with the A team in theory should help the A team bench player the reality is there is likely very little that separates the A team kid form the B team kid. But, given a good environment and far more playing time the B team starter can easily pass the A team Bench player. Keep in mind that rosters are small at the young ages. If you look at a U9 A/B team as a eventual 11v11 player pool good training and playing is more important than which group of kids your kid is paired with.

The back end of A teams are filled with squeaky wheels who are no better than their B team counterparts. Most player pools are similar to a Bell Curve. Out of 20 kids you have your top 5, your bottom 5 and everyone else is packed in the middle, separated only by a coaches early hunch. The line that separates kid 10 from 11 is razor thin.

At that age u9-u11, there should not be much difference in playing time. Most places are playing everyone the same amount and rotating all players through all positions. Now in the later years when everyone has a position and has to fight for playing time, it more important to get playing time.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:- now playing ECNL/DA.

What is ECNL/DA? My bs detector went off when I read this, one cannot play both of course.

Anonymous wrote:- now playing ECNL/DA.

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Anonymous wrote:Don't get caught up in this teams and clubs stuff. Training on your own or outside your team is what most people know (who have gone through this with their DDs) matters more then worrying about one's stupid A or B team placement. You want ECNL or DA? Stop worrying about when or how you might move up or displace an A team player and get down to the wall and start working.

^^Pretty much this.

+1 -- DD was initially placed on C team at U9-- worked her butt off to improve (mainly on her own with private trainer) -- now playing ECNL/DA.

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Anonymous wrote:So basically you’re both saying its not skills development for the Bs, it’s more physical and roster increase.

Sadly, i also think there is a ceiling in what foot skills can do without adequate speed/strength in development, especially for girls. I dont know how you overcome that, realistically.

No, that is not what I implied at all. What I implied is that a B team starter is more likely to actually develop in soccer ways over the A team bench player. While training with the A team in theory should help the A team bench player the reality is there is likely very little that separates the A team kid form the B team kid. But, given a good environment and far more playing time the B team starter can easily pass the A team Bench player. Keep in mind that rosters are small at the young ages. If you look at a U9 A/B team as a eventual 11v11 player pool good training and playing is more important than which group of kids your kid is paired with.

The back end of A teams are filled with squeaky wheels who are no better than their B team counterparts. Most player pools are similar to a Bell Curve. Out of 20 kids you have your top 5, your bottom 5 and everyone else is packed in the middle, separated only by a coaches early hunch. The line that separates kid 10 from 11 is razor thin.

At that age u9-u11, there should not be much difference in playing time. Most places are playing everyone the same amount and rotating all players through all positions. Now in the later years when everyone has a position and has to fight for playing time, it more important to get playing time.

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Anonymous wrote:So basically you’re both saying its not skills development for the Bs, it’s more physical and roster increase.

Sadly, i also think there is a ceiling in what foot skills can do without adequate speed/strength in development, especially for girls. I dont know how you overcome that, realistically.

No, that is not what I implied at all. What I implied is that a B team starter is more likely to actually develop in soccer ways over the A team bench player. While training with the A team in theory should help the A team bench player the reality is there is likely very little that separates the A team kid form the B team kid. But, given a good environment and far more playing time the B team starter can easily pass the A team Bench player. Keep in mind that rosters are small at the young ages. If you look at a U9 A/B team as a eventual 11v11 player pool good training and playing is more important than which group of kids your kid is paired with.

The back end of A teams are filled with squeaky wheels who are no better than their B team counterparts. Most player pools are similar to a Bell Curve. Out of 20 kids you have your top 5, your bottom 5 and everyone else is packed in the middle, separated only by a coaches early hunch. The line that separates kid 10 from 11 is razor thin.

Anonymous wrote:My DD recently went through summer league Super Y tryouts. It almost seemed reflexive with no real discussion of why she was doing this yet again with teammates. It got me thinking about ODP, which I know has tryouts this summer.

If your DD is one of those that wants soccer training 24-7-365, then I get ODP as some supplement to satiate that desire.

But if you are like most, trying to find a balance and picking and choosing among options based on value of dollars/time spent, then what is the current (not past) relevance of girls ODP in the DMV area for an elite player? . . . and I am not talking about the "casual," A team, bread & butter player who repeatedly can make district pool but does not otherwise advance . . .

ODP is expensive, and I am told that if you make it past the relatively costly district plus state pools, then the cost really grows.

So, with this discussion of ECNL vs. US Girls DA, is all the cost and driving time of ODP something elite players are still choosing to do, year after year?

Or is ODP something that U13 girls in the DMV usually try (if they do not make or decide to do ECNL or Girls DA) simply because they do not know better? I meet many families who have no idea what ODP really is.

Wondering about current experiences of girls doing ECNL or DA. Not interested in what ODP used to be back in the day when mom or dad played college ball in this area . . .

So question for anyone: do elite players do ODP anymore in the DMV, which we know from PPs discussions is not some rural area without options?

Here is a good overview from last year, but not from the DMV area:
https://www.collegecommitted.com/free-resources/odp-should-i-do-it/

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Anonymous wrote:Don't get caught up in this teams and clubs stuff. Training on your own or outside your team is what most people know (who have gone through this with their DDs) matters more then worrying about one's stupid A or B team placement. You want ECNL or DA? Stop worrying about when or how you might move up or displace an A team player and get down to the wall and start working.

^^Pretty much this.

+1 -- DD was initially placed on C team at U9-- worked her butt off to improve (mainly on her own with private trainer) -- now playing ECNL/DA.

Lol, that must be expensive.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Don't get caught up in this teams and clubs stuff. Training on your own or outside your team is what most people know (who have gone through this with their DDs) matters more then worrying about one's stupid A or B team placement. You want ECNL or DA? Stop worrying about when or how you might move up or displace an A team player and get down to the wall and start working.

^^Pretty much this.

+1 -- DD was initially placed on C team at U9-- worked her butt off to improve (mainly on her own with private trainer) -- now playing ECNL/DA.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Don't get caught up in this teams and clubs stuff. Training on your own or outside your team is what most people know (who have gone through this with their DDs) matters more then worrying about one's stupid A or B team placement. You want ECNL or DA? Stop worrying about when or how you might move up or displace an A team player and get down to the wall and start working.

^^Pretty much this.