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Post 09/25/2017 12:32     Subject: ACA being repealed, why no outrage here?

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Anonymous wrote:They are trying to bribe their colleagues, particularly Collins and Murkowski. How insulting.

Yea, that's really "fair and equitable". If you have to bribe these folks maybe there's something wrong with the bill?

Obama bribed the last holdouts for his Obamacsre disaster. It's politics as usual.

But Obama never touted it to be "fair and equitable". And those red states that are getting more now only are because they declined the medicaid expansion in the first place. Why didn't they take the medicaid expansion with ACA but are willing to do so now?

He didn't? He went on the airwaves and announced that his new health care plan would be unfair, and prohibitively expensive, to many lower-middle class workers? I don't recall that. All I remember is his promise that we would lower premiums by $2500 a family on average, and everyone could keep their doctors and their plans. MORE people covered, with BETTER insurance, and LESS EXPENSIVE to boot! What could possibly go wrong?

And true, the red states will get more because this new plan corrects this uneven application of subsidies. (Virginia is a blue state, but will get more, BTW.) For the last few years, a greater amount of taxpayer funds went to Medicaid expanded states, and the other states had to subsidize them. This new plan sees that the freebies are distributed evenly. Much more fair.

Show me where he said ACA was "fair and equitable"?

And I repeat... And those red states that are getting more now only are because they declined the medicaid expansion in the first place. Why didn't they take the medicaid expansion with ACA but are willing to do so now? Why did they force their lower/middle income people to pay the tax penalty instead of providing a way to get medical insurance through the exchange via subsidies?

Because, first, unlike Democrats, they didn't want to obligate middle-class taxpayers to a program that wasn't affordable, for either them or the state, in order to give more freebies to people lower down on the income scale. That's unfair. And two, it's a different situation when the money is distributed evenly, rather than when states like CA and NY take up the lion's share. This is much more fair, and how it should have been from the start. There never should have been a Medicaid expansion "opt-in" in the first place, and now we are correcting the problem.

But....why are liberals mocking conservatives in red states as voting in such a way that they will be worse off - and yet at the same time acknowledging that the red states are going to get more federal subsidy dollars? The red states will be better off after the correction, and that is what they voted for.

They forced the lower/middle class folks to either pay the penalty or buy insurance with zero subsidies. The other states are much larger and they took the medicaid expansion. It makes sense that they should get more. It's why NY and CA have more House of Reps than say a state like AK. The authors of the new bill are trying to bribe AK to vote for it by saying that AK can keep ACA. How is that "fair" to the other states?

I agree.. states shouldn't have been able to decline the medicaid expansion. It should've been forced on them to help the lower/middle class people.
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Post 09/25/2017 12:27     Subject: ACA being repealed, why no outrage here?

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Anonymous wrote:They are trying to bribe their colleagues, particularly Collins and Murkowski. How insulting.

Yea, that's really "fair and equitable". If you have to bribe these folks maybe there's something wrong with the bill?

Obama bribed the last holdouts for his Obamacsre disaster. It's politics as usual.

But Obama never touted it to be "fair and equitable". And those red states that are getting more now only are because they declined the medicaid expansion in the first place. Why didn't they take the medicaid expansion with ACA but are willing to do so now?

He didn't? He went on the airwaves and announced that his new health care plan would be unfair, and prohibitively expensive, to many lower-middle class workers? I don't recall that. All I remember is his promise that we would lower premiums by $2500 a family on average, and everyone could keep their doctors and their plans. MORE people covered, with BETTER insurance, and LESS EXPENSIVE to boot! What could possibly go wrong?

And true, the red states will get more because this new plan corrects this uneven application of subsidies. (Virginia is a blue state, but will get more, BTW.) For the last few years, a greater amount of taxpayer funds went to Medicaid expanded states, and the other states had to subsidize them. This new plan sees that the freebies are distributed evenly. Much more fair.

Show me where he said ACA was "fair and equitable"?

And I repeat... And those red states that are getting more now only are because they declined the medicaid expansion in the first place. Why didn't they take the medicaid expansion with ACA but are willing to do so now? Why did they force their lower/middle income people to pay the tax penalty instead of providing a way to get medical insurance through the exchange via subsidies?

Because, first, unlike Democrats, they didn't want to obligate middle-class taxpayers to a program that wasn't affordable, for either them or the state, in order to give more freebies to people lower down on the income scale. That's unfair. And two, it's a different situation when the money is distributed evenly, rather than when states like CA and NY take up the lion's share. This is much more fair, and how it should have been from the start. There never should have been a Medicaid expansion "opt-in" in the first place, and now we are correcting the problem.

But....why are liberals mocking conservatives in red states as voting in such a way that they will be worse off - and yet at the same time acknowledging that the red states are going to get more federal subsidy dollars? The red states will be better off after the correction, and that is what they voted for.
Anonymous
Post 09/25/2017 12:19     Subject: ACA being repealed, why no outrage here?

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Anonymous wrote:They are trying to bribe their colleagues, particularly Collins and Murkowski. How insulting.

Yea, that's really "fair and equitable". If you have to bribe these folks maybe there's something wrong with the bill?

Obama bribed the last holdouts for his Obamacsre disaster. It's politics as usual.

But Obama never touted it to be "fair and equitable". And those red states that are getting more now only are because they declined the medicaid expansion in the first place. Why didn't they take the medicaid expansion with ACA but are willing to do so now?

He didn't? He went on the airwaves and announced that his new health care plan would be unfair, and prohibitively expensive, to many lower-middle class workers? I don't recall that. All I remember is his promise that we would lower premiums by $2500 a family on average, and everyone could keep their doctors and their plans. MORE people covered, with BETTER insurance, and LESS EXPENSIVE to boot! What could possibly go wrong?

And true, the red states will get more because this new plan corrects this uneven application of subsidies. (Virginia is a blue state, but will get more, BTW.) For the last few years, a greater amount of taxpayer funds went to Medicaid expanded states, and the other states had to subsidize them. This new plan sees that the freebies are distributed evenly. Much more fair.

Show me where he said ACA was "fair and equitable"?

And I repeat... And those red states that are getting more now only are because they declined the medicaid expansion in the first place. Why didn't they take the medicaid expansion with ACA but are willing to do so now? Why did they force their lower/middle income people to pay the tax penalty instead of providing a way to get medical insurance through the exchange via subsidies?
Anonymous
Post 09/25/2017 12:16     Subject: ACA being repealed, why no outrage here?

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Anonymous wrote:
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Anonymous wrote:They are trying to bribe their colleagues, particularly Collins and Murkowski. How insulting.

Yea, that's really "fair and equitable". If you have to bribe these folks maybe there's something wrong with the bill?

Obama bribed the last holdouts for his Obamacsre disaster. It's politics as usual.

But Obama never touted it to be "fair and equitable". And those red states that are getting more now only are because they declined the medicaid expansion in the first place. Why didn't they take the medicaid expansion with ACA but are willing to do so now?

He didn't? He went on the airwaves and announced that his new health care plan would be unfair, and prohibitively expensive, to many lower-middle class workers? I don't recall that. All I remember is his promise that we would lower premiums by $2500 a family on average, and everyone could keep their doctors and their plans. MORE people covered, with BETTER insurance, and LESS EXPENSIVE to boot! What could possibly go wrong?

And true, the red states will get more because this new plan corrects this uneven application of subsidies. (Virginia is a blue state, but will get more, BTW.) For the last few years, a greater amount of taxpayer funds went to Medicaid expanded states, and the other states had to subsidize them. This new plan sees that the freebies are distributed evenly. Much more fair.
Anonymous
Post 09/25/2017 10:35     Subject: ACA being repealed, why no outrage here?

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:They are trying to bribe their colleagues, particularly Collins and Murkowski. How insulting.

Yea, that's really "fair and equitable". If you have to bribe these folks maybe there's something wrong with the bill?

Obama bribed the last holdouts for his Obamacsre disaster. It's politics as usual.

But Obama never touted it to be "fair and equitable". And those red states that are getting more now only are because they declined the medicaid expansion in the first place. Why didn't they take the medicaid expansion with ACA but are willing to do so now?
Anonymous
Post 09/25/2017 09:50     Subject: ACA being repealed, why no outrage here?

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:They are trying to bribe their colleagues, particularly Collins and Murkowski. How insulting.

Yea, that's really "fair and equitable". If you have to bribe these folks maybe there's something wrong with the bill?

Obama bribed the last holdouts for his Obamacsre disaster. It's politics as usual.
Anonymous
Post 09/25/2017 09:46     Subject: ACA being repealed, why no outrage here?

Anonymous wrote:They are trying to bribe their colleagues, particularly Collins and Murkowski. How insulting.

Yea, that's really "fair and equitable". If you have to bribe these folks maybe there's something wrong with the bill?
Anonymous
Post 09/25/2017 09:28     Subject: ACA being repealed, why no outrage here?

They are trying to bribe their colleagues, particularly Collins and Murkowski. How insulting.
Anonymous
Post 09/25/2017 09:27     Subject: ACA being repealed, why no outrage here?

Anonymous
Post 09/25/2017 09:13     Subject: ACA being repealed, why no outrage here?

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Post 09/24/2017 23:13     Subject: ACA being repealed, why no outrage here?

And the latest version of the bill is out. Still awful, still has all of the same impacts on the neediest and more vulnerable in our society, but it has the added bonus of new bribes for states of key senators.

Anonymous
Post 09/23/2017 08:22     Subject: ACA being repealed, why no outrage here?

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Anonymous wrote:So now the Trump Administration is out to completely sabotage the American public by severely limiting the ability of ACA subscribers to enroll in the 2018 cycle.

Truly deplorable.


+1



It's psychotic. The ultimate in reckless partisanship to destroy Obama's legacy at any cost. The GOP can't seem to wrap their minds around the fact that while they wage war on Democratic Party members and try to undo Obama, they are hurting millions of Americans. Tribalism. This is what it looks like. The GOP: Party over country and over decency every single day.
Anonymous
Post 09/23/2017 08:19     Subject: ACA being repealed, why no outrage here?

Anonymous wrote:So now the Trump Administration is out to completely sabotage the American public by severely limiting the ability of ACA subscribers to enroll in the 2018 cycle.

Truly deplorable.


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Anonymous
Post 09/23/2017 07:54     Subject: ACA being repealed, why no outrage here?

So now the Trump Administration is out to completely sabotage the American public by severely limiting the ability of ACA subscribers to enroll in the 2018 cycle.

Truly deplorable.
Anonymous
Post 09/22/2017 19:18     Subject: ACA being repealed, why no outrage here?

Anonymous wrote:For all of the bitching about ACA, the Republicans STILL haven't come up with a better solution despite having nearly 8 years to work on one.

I'm sick of hearing your bitching at this point.


Exactly!