Anonymous
08/09/2017 11:42
Subject: Re:Google male engineeer saying female engineers shouldn't be engineers
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I wonder if a Google employee would get fired if it was known that he/she supported a traditional or biblical view of marriage?
Hopefully. No one needs that kind of crazy in the workplace.
So no Christians or Muslims, then? Simply for believing in traditional marriage, and not actively discriminating? You're quite the bigot.
As a woman, I fully admit I'm pretty skeptical about hiring or working with Mormon men. They don't believe women should have authority over men, and that can't help but cross over into their work life.
Bigotry means intolerance of others' opinions or beliefs. I don't tolerate others beliefs that I am inferior to them. If that makes me a bigot, so be it.
Well, if your bias against Mormons were actually put into place, then yes, you would be violating anti-discrimination law. Absolutely. You can privately dislike Mormons, but you can't discriminate against them in the workforce.
I'm not discriminating. I'm looking for the best person for the job.
uh, no. if you purposefully did not hire somebody because he was Mormon, you're discriminating. Unless he told you "I can't be supervised by a woman due to my religion," you have no basis to discriminate against him.
Well a previous poster argued that a woman with a CS degree was inferior to a man with a CS degree because she got it with lower standards due to AA. How is the above reasoning any different?!
I don't think I understand what you're trying to say. Yes, if you refused to hire a woman because you assumed she was inferior just by virtue of being a woman, you'd be violating anti-discrimination law.
Anonymous
08/09/2017 11:41
Subject: Re:Google male engineeer saying female engineers shouldn't be engineers
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Is there any difference between James Damore and Colin Kapernick expressing an opinion? Just asking.
yes. James Damore was insubordinate to his employer in a way that made it impossible for him to do his job, and created a hostile work environment. Colin Kapernick was not. Any other questions?
No, you have this backwards.
James Damore was nothing but respectful (at least in that memo), even though some of his reasoning was flawed.
It's not the tone, duh.
Anonymous
08/09/2017 11:41
Subject: Re:Google male engineeer saying female engineers shouldn't be engineers
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Is there any difference between James Damore and Colin Kapernick expressing an opinion? Just asking.
yes. James Damore was insubordinate to his employer in a way that made it impossible for him to do his job, and created a hostile work environment. Colin Kapernick was not. Any other questions?
Not true, Colin Kapernick was insubordinate to his employer in a way that made it impossible for him to do his job and created a hostile work environment. That is why he isn't in the league anymore.
Who did Colin Kapernick create a hostile work environment for (based on their membership in a protected class)? Was there something in his contract requiring him to stand for the National Anthem? And he didn't get fired; he opted out of his contract. The fact he can't get on a team now is due to team owners' racism, not the other way around.
Anonymous
08/09/2017 11:36
Subject: Re:Google male engineeer saying female engineers shouldn't be engineers
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Is there any difference between James Damore and Colin Kapernick expressing an opinion? Just asking.
yes. James Damore was insubordinate to his employer in a way that made it impossible for him to do his job, and created a hostile work environment. Colin Kapernick was not. Any other questions?
No, you have this backwards.
James Damore was nothing but respectful (at least in that memo), even though some of his reasoning was flawed.
Anonymous
08/09/2017 11:34
Subject: Google male engineeer saying female engineers shouldn't be engineers
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:who cares what the black % at google tech is? I know black employees in google on the marketing side that make 300k-400k a year.
Why would you want to be a code geek when you can work in a more fun part the company and still make bank?
Google is an ad firm - they have tons of non-tech jobs that are highly remunerative that AA's would be great for.
Woman in tech here. Because some people do not like marketing. I like tech and am actually good out it, despite having a vagina.
You are a rarity.
Anonymous
08/09/2017 11:34
Subject: Re:Google male engineeer saying female engineers shouldn't be engineers
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I wonder if a Google employee would get fired if it was known that he/she supported a traditional or biblical view of marriage?
Hopefully. No one needs that kind of crazy in the workplace.
So no Christians or Muslims, then? Simply for believing in traditional marriage, and not actively discriminating? You're quite the bigot.
As a woman, I fully admit I'm pretty skeptical about hiring or working with Mormon men. They don't believe women should have authority over men, and that can't help but cross over into their work life.
Bigotry means intolerance of others' opinions or beliefs. I don't tolerate others beliefs that I am inferior to them. If that makes me a bigot, so be it.
Well, if your bias against Mormons were actually put into place, then yes, you would be violating anti-discrimination law. Absolutely. You can privately dislike Mormons, but you can't discriminate against them in the workforce.
I'm not discriminating. I'm looking for the best person for the job.
uh, no. if you purposefully did not hire somebody because he was Mormon, you're discriminating. Unless he told you "I can't be supervised by a woman due to my religion," you have no basis to discriminate against him.
Well a previous poster argued that a woman with a CS degree was inferior to a man with a CS degree because she got it with lower standards due to AA. How is the above reasoning any different?!
Anonymous
08/09/2017 11:31
Subject: Re:Google male engineeer saying female engineers shouldn't be engineers
Anonymous wrote:Is there any difference between James Damore and Colin Kapernick expressing an opinion? Just asking.
Colin Kapernick's opinion wasn't "I don't think some of my teammates can do their job because of their sex" In fact it wasn't related to his job at all.
Damore's opinion will make him a less effective employee and make the rest of his team not want to work with him. That's not someone who you would want to keep around in a workplace.
Anonymous
08/09/2017 11:28
Subject: Re:Google male engineeer saying female engineers shouldn't be engineers
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I wonder if a Google employee would get fired if it was known that he/she supported a traditional or biblical view of marriage?
Hopefully. No one needs that kind of crazy in the workplace.
So no Christians or Muslims, then? Simply for believing in traditional marriage, and not actively discriminating? You're quite the bigot.
As a woman, I fully admit I'm pretty skeptical about hiring or working with Mormon men. They don't believe women should have authority over men, and that can't help but cross over into their work life.
Bigotry means intolerance of others' opinions or beliefs. I don't tolerate others beliefs that I am inferior to them. If that makes me a bigot, so be it.
Well, if your bias against Mormons were actually put into place, then yes, you would be violating anti-discrimination law. Absolutely. You can privately dislike Mormons, but you can't discriminate against them in the workforce.
I'm not discriminating. I'm looking for the best person for the job.
uh, no. if you purposefully did not hire somebody because he was Mormon, you're discriminating. Unless he told you "I can't be supervised by a woman due to my religion," you have no basis to discriminate against him.
Whoosh
Anonymous
08/09/2017 11:27
Subject: Re:Google male engineeer saying female engineers shouldn't be engineers
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Is there any difference between James Damore and Colin Kapernick expressing an opinion? Just asking.
yes. James Damore was insubordinate to his employer in a way that made it impossible for him to do his job, and created a hostile work environment. Colin Kapernick was not. Any other questions?
Not true, Colin Kapernick was insubordinate to his employer in a way that made it impossible for him to do his job and created a hostile work environment. That is why he isn't in the league anymore.
Anonymous
08/09/2017 11:26
Subject: Re:Google male engineeer saying female engineers shouldn't be engineers
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I wonder if a Google employee would get fired if it was known that he/she supported a traditional or biblical view of marriage?
Hopefully. No one needs that kind of crazy in the workplace.
So no Christians or Muslims, then? Simply for believing in traditional marriage, and not actively discriminating? You're quite the bigot.
As a woman, I fully admit I'm pretty skeptical about hiring or working with Mormon men. They don't believe women should have authority over men, and that can't help but cross over into their work life.
Bigotry means intolerance of others' opinions or beliefs. I don't tolerate others beliefs that I am inferior to them. If that makes me a bigot, so be it.
+1
If their beliefs did cross over into work life then I'd push to have them removed from my group.
Anonymous
08/09/2017 11:24
Subject: Re:Google male engineeer saying female engineers shouldn't be engineers
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I wonder if a Google employee would get fired if it was known that he/she supported a traditional or biblical view of marriage?
Hopefully. No one needs that kind of crazy in the workplace.
So no Christians or Muslims, then? Simply for believing in traditional marriage, and not actively discriminating? You're quite the bigot.
As a woman, I fully admit I'm pretty skeptical about hiring or working with Mormon men. They don't believe women should have authority over men, and that can't help but cross over into their work life.
Bigotry means intolerance of others' opinions or beliefs. I don't tolerate others beliefs that I am inferior to them. If that makes me a bigot, so be it.
Well, if your bias against Mormons were actually put into place, then yes, you would be violating anti-discrimination law. Absolutely. You can privately dislike Mormons, but you can't discriminate against them in the workforce.
I'm not discriminating. I'm looking for the best person for the job.
uh, no. if you purposefully did not hire somebody because he was Mormon, you're discriminating. Unless he told you "I can't be supervised by a woman due to my religion," you have no basis to discriminate against him.
Anonymous
08/09/2017 11:23
Subject: Re:Google male engineeer saying female engineers shouldn't be engineers
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:So if there are no gender differences, that means transsexuals don't really need to exist right? If males and females are the same in how they think, they no one is born with the wrong body, since both men and women think alike right?
Bingo!
OK. Everyone can use any bathroom. Yay!
Anonymous
08/09/2017 11:16
Subject: Re:Google male engineeer saying female engineers shouldn't be engineers
Anonymous wrote:
I'm not sure if you really need a study. As a business manager, doesn't it seem obvious that you're going to be at a disadvantage if you dismiss a whole 50% of the entire population from a specific job category? Even if at the highest levels there are actual gender differences (which I don't think but we can concede here for the sake of argument), most workplaces are not seeking out only the top of the top. It seems to me that the firm that figures out how to tap hidden human capital (especially if this talent is eschewed by other firms) is going to have a huge advantage. It's gender arbitrage.
I agree with your interpretation...especially when it comes to a company like Google which really has access to pretty much anyone it wants to hire (okay, well I've been pretty lukewarm in response to recruiting attempts from them
). Differences in one skill out of many at the margins of their recruiting pool are pretty irrelevant. They can get the best people from whatever demographic they choose.
But the PP referred to studies about the benefits of gender diversity in tech, and I'm surprised that those even exist.
Anonymous
08/09/2017 11:16
Subject: Re:Google male engineeer saying female engineers shouldn't be engineers
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I wonder if a Google employee would get fired if it was known that he/she supported a traditional or biblical view of marriage?
Hopefully. No one needs that kind of crazy in the workplace.
So no Christians or Muslims, then? Simply for believing in traditional marriage, and not actively discriminating? You're quite the bigot.
As a woman, I fully admit I'm pretty skeptical about hiring or working with Mormon men. They don't believe women should have authority over men, and that can't help but cross over into their work life.
Bigotry means intolerance of others' opinions or beliefs. I don't tolerate others beliefs that I am inferior to them. If that makes me a bigot, so be it.
Well, if your bias against Mormons were actually put into place, then yes, you would be violating anti-discrimination law. Absolutely. You can privately dislike Mormons, but you can't discriminate against them in the workforce.
I'm not discriminating. I'm looking for the best person for the job.
Anonymous
08/09/2017 11:14
Subject: Re:Google male engineeer saying female engineers shouldn't be engineers
Anonymous wrote:Is there any difference between James Damore and Colin Kapernick expressing an opinion? Just asking.
yes. James Damore was insubordinate to his employer in a way that made it impossible for him to do his job, and created a hostile work environment. Colin Kapernick was not. Any other questions?