Anonymous wrote:Two responses stuck out in this NYT piece on Dallas's awful public schools - and their desire to desegregate them, read: all the white and Asian kids attend private schools.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/19/us/dallas-schools-desegregation.html

"America's big educational problem is that it's running out of white children. Our ideologies still assume that America is a white-dominated country with only a small percentage of minorities, but the reality is that whites are rapidly heading toward being a minority too. So theories of solving the problems of blacks and Hispanics by diluting their troubles in the great mass of white children are out of date."

The other great response blamed Dallas's awful public schools squarely on illegal immigration. They est. half of their pupils are English second language immigrants.

ESOL explosion is happening to Fairfax and Montgomery Public Schools. Over 1/3 of each of the district is in the toilet and the extra costs for educating ESOL have caused yearly budget crisess

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Two responses stuck out in this NYT piece on Dallas's awful public schools - and their desire to desegregate them, read: all the white and Asian kids attend private schools.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/19/us/dallas-schools-desegregation.html

"America's big educational problem is that it's running out of white children. Our ideologies still assume that America is a white-dominated country with only a small percentage of minorities, but the reality is that whites are rapidly heading toward being a minority too. So theories of solving the problems of blacks and Hispanics by diluting their troubles in the great mass of white children are out of date."

The other great response blamed Dallas's awful public schools squarely on illegal immigration. They est. half of their pupils are English second language immigrants.

This is a false choice. One can have both.

NP. A big problem with this thread is that "diversity" is one of those squishy, euphemistic words that can means lots of different things to different people. Some hear "diversity" and think of a Benetton ad of different hued children from wealthy families, all teaching each other about their particular religions and cultures. Others hear "diversity" and think it means broken inner-city schools filled with black children. Others think of a dozen or more different scenarios.

How you define "diversity" really affects how you answer the question. I dislike squishy euphemism; say what you mean.

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I think we have people from all over the country posting who don't get the unique situation in DC. For those not from here

1. What are you doing on this forum
2. In DC race and SES are highly correlated so going for diversity is going to be a reduction in education quality

No, it's not.

alternative facts from the left

Look at income and racial demos by ward it's really not that hard

Look at test scores by race

Your assumption is that the education is better at a school with higher test scores than at a school with lower test scores. That assumption is false.

Detroit schools have horrible test scores, basically in the toilet. Go send your kids there, then come back and tell us how great his peer group and school is.

Anonymous wrote:It's not diversity; it's identity politics.

Kids are kids. They want guidelines, structure and rigor. But instead of embracing some obstacles (language barriers, for example, or low reading skills), we make excuses for them based on hardships supposedly connected to culture or race.

I am PS teacher who's worked in challenging schools for most of my career. My kids are in a cluster that's - for now - more middle of the road. It's not heavily diverse, nor is it highly competitive and wealthy. But it does have enough $ in the surrounding areas to keep the schools functioning at a high level.

I would never sacrifice my kids' learning in the name of diversity. In fact, we should NEVER sacrifice learning for anything. I don't care who you are or what your background is.

The excuses have destroyed public ed, and we're graduating kids who can barely read and write, giving them false hope. Look at the college graduation rates. Kids may be accepted, but they don't last beyond two years.

Identity politics huh?
In other words, you were saying the same thing that the other people on this thread are saying your same same thing OP sandwiches if there are people of color than the education level is diminished .

I feel sorry for the ignorance exhibited by you and others who hold the slot so dear did you turn yourself inside and out in order to justify it.
You try it out these test scores from schools in DC that are left to flounder high turnover of teachers in adequate supplies floundering administration and population of people who are impoverished and whose primary goal is just trying to survive .
But guess what all black like Tina and other people of color are all poor not all poor people ignore education and guess what I hate to surprise you but there are a lot of people of color that are highly educated, emphasize education, have smart kids and do well in school .
We don't need savior white folk to sweep in to save us from ourselves and teach us what it means to love to learn .
You need somebody with a heart to swoop in and teach you what it means when folks in great numbers run because they are afraid of the folks who are moving in.

Anonymous wrote:It's not diversity; it's identity politics.

Kids are kids. They want guidelines, structure and rigor. But instead of embracing some obstacles (language barriers, for example, or low reading skills), we make excuses for them based on hardships supposedly connected to culture or race.

I am PS teacher who's worked in challenging schools for most of my career. My kids are in a cluster that's - for now - more middle of the road. It's not heavily diverse, nor is it highly competitive and wealthy. But it does have enough $ in the surrounding areas to keep the schools functioning at a high level.

I would never sacrifice my kids' learning in the name of diversity. In fact, we should NEVER sacrifice learning for anything. I don't care who you are or what your background is.

The excuses have destroyed public ed, and we're graduating kids who can barely read and write, giving them false hope. Look at the college graduation rates. Kids may be accepted, but they don't last beyond two years.

Thank you for sharing one of the few moderate/centrist views on this forum.

It's not diversity; it's identity politics.

Kids are kids. They want guidelines, structure and rigor. But instead of embracing some obstacles (language barriers, for example, or low reading skills), we make excuses for them based on hardships supposedly connected to culture or race.

I am PS teacher who's worked in challenging schools for most of my career. My kids are in a cluster that's - for now - more middle of the road. It's not heavily diverse, nor is it highly competitive and wealthy. But it does have enough $ in the surrounding areas to keep the schools functioning at a high level.

I would never sacrifice my kids' learning in the name of diversity. In fact, we should NEVER sacrifice learning for anything. I don't care who you are or what your background is.

The excuses have destroyed public ed, and we're graduating kids who can barely read and write, giving them false hope. Look at the college graduation rates. Kids may be accepted, but they don't last beyond two years.

^^^and really, you know, this is p. 19 of this thread. How many times do we have to go around and around and around?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

I think we have people from all over the country posting who don't get the unique situation in DC. For those not from here

1. What are you doing on this forum
2. In DC race and SES are highly correlated so going for diversity is going to be a reduction in education quality

No, it's not.

alternative facts from the left

Look at income and racial demos by ward it's really not that hard

Look at test scores by race

Your assumption is that the education is better at a school with higher test scores than at a school with lower test scores. That assumption is false.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

I think we have people from all over the country posting who don't get the unique situation in DC. For those not from here

1. What are you doing on this forum
2. In DC race and SES are highly correlated so going for diversity is going to be a reduction in education quality

No, it's not.

alternative facts from the left

Look at income and racial demos by ward it's really not that hard

Look at test scores by race

I'll even get you started

https://planning.dc.gov/sites/default/files/dc/sites/op/page_content/attachments/Key%20Indicators%202011-2015_0.pdf

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Anonymous wrote:

I think we have people from all over the country posting who don't get the unique situation in DC. For those not from here

1. What are you doing on this forum
2. In DC race and SES are highly correlated so going for diversity is going to be a reduction in education quality

No, it's not.

alternative facts from the left

Look at income and racial demos by ward it's really not that hard

Look at test scores by race

Anonymous wrote:

I think we have people from all over the country posting who don't get the unique situation in DC. For those not from here

1. What are you doing on this forum
2. In DC race and SES are highly correlated so going for diversity is going to be a reduction in education quality

No, it's not.

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Anonymous wrote:This isn't a liberal or conservative issue most people are going to pick the best school read (high SES which is strongly correlated with race, best test scores etc)

Diversity is a very distance metric for most people if it's even a metric at all.

DC is overwhelmingly liberal and most parents feel this way the ones that don't are generally naive with kids in the early elementary grades

I see it as a liberal/conservative issue because I live in a wonderful area with high quality AND diverse schools, and the only people I see moving out of my neighborhood for a whiter school are conservative whites. Many white people are truly uncomfortable around other races, and more of those people are conservative.

Are they actually conservative or do you just consider anyone who moves to a better school a conservative? This region voted heavily Democrat this last election. A lot of you seem to be making excuses for staying where you are. That's perfectly fine, but you can also respect other family's desire to set their kids up for the best chance of success.

I think we have people from all over the country posting who don't get the unique situation in DC. For those not from here

1. What are you doing on this forum
2. In DC race and SES are highly correlated so going for diversity is going to be a reduction in education quality

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Anonymous wrote:This isn't a liberal or conservative issue most people are going to pick the best school read (high SES which is strongly correlated with race, best test scores etc)

Diversity is a very distance metric for most people if it's even a metric at all.

DC is overwhelmingly liberal and most parents feel this way the ones that don't are generally naive with kids in the early elementary grades

I see it as a liberal/conservative issue because I live in a wonderful area with high quality AND diverse schools, and the only people I see moving out of my neighborhood for a whiter school are conservative whites. Many white people are truly uncomfortable around other races, and more of those people are conservative.

Are they actually conservative or do you just consider anyone who moves to a better school a conservative? This region voted heavily Democrat this last election. A lot of you seem to be making excuses for staying where you are. That's perfectly fine, but you can also respect other family's desire to set their kids up for the best chance of success.