Anonymous
04/17/2016 08:31
Subject: 2016 AAP admissions Thread
After review of this thread it seems the most significant data point for consideration and admission is a high Cogat
Anonymous
04/17/2016 08:14
Subject: 2016 AAP admissions Thread
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:You don't sue because you got your feelings hurt because a committeedid not view your kid to be as smart as you think they are.
How silly is that?
The pp with the WISC didn't post the part about suing, I did. I think you sue when the state requires gifted education and the process by which this is done isn't transparent, and also doesn't seem to be accomplishing the intended goal. AAP is intended to meet the state's requirement for gifted education, but it appears, based on scores posted on this thread and based on what friends have told me about their kids' scores, that many smart kids with scores in the 120s are getting in while kids in the gifted range above 130 aren't, in many cases. That seems contrary to the purpose of the VA requirements. It's not about hurt feelings, it's about holding FCPS to it's legal obligation to gifted kids. If FCPS wants to have a program for bright kids, great, but is has a legal requirement to provide services to gifted kids and I'm not sue FCPS isn't losing sight of that in its quest to get highly educated parents (and their money) to live and stay in Fairfax County.
You admit, don't you, that had your child been admitted, your desire for transparency would be nonexistent. Do you seriously believe your last sentence? How does the committee know the education level of the parents? How does the committee know the financial status of the applicants' families? Why would the committee allows anyone to be admitted based on zero submissions from the parents, and just based in being in the pool? Look, I get being frustrated and disappointed, but don't turn this into a sour grapes situation.
Anonymous
04/17/2016 07:38
Subject: Re:2016 AAP admissions Thread
Private school GBRS do not have the same credibility as FCPS ones. Have your kid go to school and try again next year.
The suing pp is totally obnoxious and points to why the program has gotten bloated.
The suing pp is totally obnoxious and points to why the program has gotten bloated.
Anonymous
04/17/2016 07:37
Subject: 2016 AAP admissions Thread
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:You don't sue because you got your feelings hurt because a committeedid not view your kid to be as smart as you think they are.
How silly is that?
The pp with the WISC didn't post the part about suing, I did. I think you sue when the state requires gifted education and the process by which this is done isn't transparent, and also doesn't seem to be accomplishing the intended goal. AAP is intended to meet the state's requirement for gifted education, but it appears, based on scores posted on this thread and based on what friends have told me about their kids' scores, that many smart kids with scores in the 120s are getting in while kids in the gifted range above 130 aren't, in many cases. That seems contrary to the purpose of the VA requirements. It's not about hurt feelings, it's about holding FCPS to it's legal obligation to gifted kids. If FCPS wants to have a program for bright kids, great, but is has a legal requirement to provide services to gifted kids and I'm not sue FCPS isn't losing sight of that in its quest to get highly educated parents (and their money) to live and stay in Fairfax County.
Oh good grief. You are seriously basing your opinions on the score on this board plus anecdotal evidence? Are you kidding me? Will you throw a hissy fit when your kid doesn't get into their college of choice because you only know their SAT scores and essays of your own kid? You are ridiculous.
Anonymous
04/17/2016 06:44
Subject: 2016 AAP admissions Thread
Anonymous wrote:You don't sue because you got your feelings hurt because a committeedid not view your kid to be as smart as you think they are.
How silly is that?
The pp with the WISC didn't post the part about suing, I did. I think you sue when the state requires gifted education and the process by which this is done isn't transparent, and also doesn't seem to be accomplishing the intended goal. AAP is intended to meet the state's requirement for gifted education, but it appears, based on scores posted on this thread and based on what friends have told me about their kids' scores, that many smart kids with scores in the 120s are getting in while kids in the gifted range above 130 aren't, in many cases. That seems contrary to the purpose of the VA requirements. It's not about hurt feelings, it's about holding FCPS to it's legal obligation to gifted kids. If FCPS wants to have a program for bright kids, great, but is has a legal requirement to provide services to gifted kids and I'm not sue FCPS isn't losing sight of that in its quest to get highly educated parents (and their money) to live and stay in Fairfax County.
Anonymous
04/17/2016 00:38
Subject: 2016 AAP admissions Thread
You don't sue because you got your feelings hurt because a committeedid not view your kid to be as smart as you think they are.
How silly is that?
How silly is that?
Anonymous
04/16/2016 23:50
Subject: Re:2016 AAP admissions Thread
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:whis that theAnonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:WISC V FSIQ: 134
GBRS: 12
not eligible -
What were the cogat and nnat?
In independent school. No cogat or NNAT. Thought the 134 + 12 wild do the trick. Thoughts?
GMU offers other tests - perhaps call them and ask what your options are? Are you transferring into FCPS next year? If so, you can then take the COGAT.
I was told the wisc would suffice and 134 is in the 99%. Not sure what to think
I think that private school apps are scrutinized to a higher degree. Did you submit work samples? How did the school-submitted samples look? Did you complete the parent questionnaire? I had a friend who submitted a high WISC (over 132, can't remember the exact score) and a 16 GBRS with her son's file (no parent questionnaire) and he was denied. On appeal, all she did was submit the parent questionnaire and he then got it.
I agree with above PP. our AART advised filling everything including the referral form even though DC was in pool. Her take was the more info, the better. Definitely advise getting a hold of the file/samples sent to see for yourself.
Thanks to you both. Will do. The samples from the school were solid with strong recommendations but we'll submit more. Silly process, are we sure we're not all crazy?
I understand from stories on this board, often GBRS from a private school isn't taken as seriously. Best example is last year a child with a GBRS of 6 from a private school was admitted. If that is true in your child's case, there was no other independent verification of the need for admission. I don't think you can get the CogAT or NNAT through Mason now because they are only given a few times per year in a group setting.
Why isn't the WISC independent verification?
I don't think I've ever seen a file that has only a single data point indicating AAP admission is really necessary. It seems the committee likes to see at least two data points. If the GBRS was not really heavily weighted, that left you with a single data point: a WISC. The WISC is high but not through the roof high.
If that's the case then they need to clarify their requirements. Required GBRS (but doesn't matter), required score on one of these tests (but really more than one of course)- that doesn't really hold water
I disagree. The bolded post supports the fact that they look at whole file. GBRS does matter. Tests do matter. The file, however is reviewed as a whole file. A kid with a 150 NNAT but low GBRS and CogAT might not get in but a kid with a 110 NNAT, 140 CogAT and high GBRS would get in.
The point was there was 2 data points, the WISC and a 12 GBRS which apparently isn't heavily weighted.
No, the point is that the whole file is considered. What were the comments for the 12 GBRS supporting the number? What were the work samples? The GBRS from fcps is compromised of input from a whole committee at the local school level. In a private school, the teacher just filled it out in her own. What, in this kid's file that was produced in the file, supported the GBRS of a 12?
At a minimum, typically at least 6 different committee members independently (and without knowing how each other member voted) and between 4-12 people thought the kid didn't belong. That is a lot of people who reviewed the file and came to the same conclusion. What were the specific comments and what were the school's work samples?
Anonymous
04/16/2016 23:41
Subject: Re:2016 AAP admissions Thread
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:whis that theAnonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:WISC V FSIQ: 134
GBRS: 12
not eligible -
What were the cogat and nnat?
In independent school. No cogat or NNAT. Thought the 134 + 12 wild do the trick. Thoughts?
GMU offers other tests - perhaps call them and ask what your options are? Are you transferring into FCPS next year? If so, you can then take the COGAT.
I was told the wisc would suffice and 134 is in the 99%. Not sure what to think
I think that private school apps are scrutinized to a higher degree. Did you submit work samples? How did the school-submitted samples look? Did you complete the parent questionnaire? I had a friend who submitted a high WISC (over 132, can't remember the exact score) and a 16 GBRS with her son's file (no parent questionnaire) and he was denied. On appeal, all she did was submit the parent questionnaire and he then got it.
I agree with above PP. our AART advised filling everything including the referral form even though DC was in pool. Her take was the more info, the better. Definitely advise getting a hold of the file/samples sent to see for yourself.
Thanks to you both. Will do. The samples from the school were solid with strong recommendations but we'll submit more. Silly process, are we sure we're not all crazy?
I understand from stories on this board, often GBRS from a private school isn't taken as seriously. Best example is last year a child with a GBRS of 6 from a private school was admitted. If that is true in your child's case, there was no other independent verification of the need for admission. I don't think you can get the CogAT or NNAT through Mason now because they are only given a few times per year in a group setting.
Why isn't the WISC independent verification?
I don't think I've ever seen a file that has only a single data point indicating AAP admission is really necessary. It seems the committee likes to see at least two data points. If the GBRS was not really heavily weighted, that left you with a single data point: a WISC. The WISC is high but not through the roof high.
If that's the case then they need to clarify their requirements. Required GBRS (but doesn't matter), required score on one of these tests (but really more than one of course)- that doesn't really hold water
I disagree. The bolded post supports the fact that they look at whole file. GBRS does matter. Tests do matter. The file, however is reviewed as a whole file. A kid with a 150 NNAT but low GBRS and CogAT might not get in but a kid with a 110 NNAT, 140 CogAT and high GBRS would get in.
The point was there was 2 data points, the WISC and a 12 GBRS which apparently isn't heavily weighted.
Anonymous
04/16/2016 23:40
Subject: Re:2016 AAP admissions Thread
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:whis that theAnonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:WISC V FSIQ: 134
GBRS: 12
not eligible -
What were the cogat and nnat?
In independent school. No cogat or NNAT. Thought the 134 + 12 wild do the trick. Thoughts?
GMU offers other tests - perhaps call them and ask what your options are? Are you transferring into FCPS next year? If so, you can then take the COGAT.
I was told the wisc would suffice and 134 is in the 99%. Not sure what to think
I think that private school apps are scrutinized to a higher degree. Did you submit work samples? How did the school-submitted samples look? Did you complete the parent questionnaire? I had a friend who submitted a high WISC (over 132, can't remember the exact score) and a 16 GBRS with her son's file (no parent questionnaire) and he was denied. On appeal, all she did was submit the parent questionnaire and he then got it.
I agree with above PP. our AART advised filling everything including the referral form even though DC was in pool. Her take was the more info, the better. Definitely advise getting a hold of the file/samples sent to see for yourself.
Thanks to you both. Will do. The samples from the school were solid with strong recommendations but we'll submit more. Silly process, are we sure we're not all crazy?
I understand from stories on this board, often GBRS from a private school isn't taken as seriously. Best example is last year a child with a GBRS of 6 from a private school was admitted. If that is true in your child's case, there was no other independent verification of the need for admission. I don't think you can get the CogAT or NNAT through Mason now because they are only given a few times per year in a group setting.
Why isn't the WISC independent verification?
I don't think I've ever seen a file that has only a single data point indicating AAP admission is really necessary. It seems the committee likes to see at least two data points. If the GBRS was not really heavily weighted, that left you with a single data point: a WISC. The WISC is high but not through the roof high.
If that's the case then they need to clarify their requirements. Required GBRS (but doesn't matter), required score on one of these tests (but really more than one of course)- that doesn't really hold water
I disagree. The bolded post supports the fact that they look at whole file. GBRS does matter. Tests do matter. The file, however is reviewed as a whole file. A kid with a 150 NNAT but low GBRS and CogAT might not get in but a kid with a 110 NNAT, 140 CogAT and high GBRS would get in.
+ 1
Anonymous
04/16/2016 23:32
Subject: Re:2016 AAP admissions Thread
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:whis that theAnonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:WISC V FSIQ: 134
GBRS: 12
not eligible -
What were the cogat and nnat?
In independent school. No cogat or NNAT. Thought the 134 + 12 wild do the trick. Thoughts?
GMU offers other tests - perhaps call them and ask what your options are? Are you transferring into FCPS next year? If so, you can then take the COGAT.
I was told the wisc would suffice and 134 is in the 99%. Not sure what to think
I think that private school apps are scrutinized to a higher degree. Did you submit work samples? How did the school-submitted samples look? Did you complete the parent questionnaire? I had a friend who submitted a high WISC (over 132, can't remember the exact score) and a 16 GBRS with her son's file (no parent questionnaire) and he was denied. On appeal, all she did was submit the parent questionnaire and he then got it.
I agree with above PP. our AART advised filling everything including the referral form even though DC was in pool. Her take was the more info, the better. Definitely advise getting a hold of the file/samples sent to see for yourself.
Thanks to you both. Will do. The samples from the school were solid with strong recommendations but we'll submit more. Silly process, are we sure we're not all crazy?
I understand from stories on this board, often GBRS from a private school isn't taken as seriously. Best example is last year a child with a GBRS of 6 from a private school was admitted. If that is true in your child's case, there was no other independent verification of the need for admission. I don't think you can get the CogAT or NNAT through Mason now because they are only given a few times per year in a group setting.
Why isn't the WISC independent verification?
I don't think I've ever seen a file that has only a single data point indicating AAP admission is really necessary. It seems the committee likes to see at least two data points. If the GBRS was not really heavily weighted, that left you with a single data point: a WISC. The WISC is high but not through the roof high.
If that's the case then they need to clarify their requirements. Required GBRS (but doesn't matter), required score on one of these tests (but really more than one of course)- that doesn't really hold water
I disagree. The bolded post supports the fact that they look at whole file. GBRS does matter. Tests do matter. The file, however is reviewed as a whole file. A kid with a 150 NNAT but low GBRS and CogAT might not get in but a kid with a 110 NNAT, 140 CogAT and high GBRS would get in.
Anonymous
04/16/2016 23:04
Subject: Re:2016 AAP admissions Thread
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:WISC V FSIQ: 134
GBRS: 12
not eligible -
What were the cogat and nnat?
In independent school. No cogat or NNAT. Thought the 134 + 12 wild do the trick. Thoughts?
GMU offers other tests - perhaps call them and ask what your options are? Are you transferring into FCPS next year? If so, you can then take the COGAT.
I was told the wisc would suffice and 134 is in the 99%. Not sure what to think
I think that private school apps are scrutinized to a higher degree. Did you submit work samples? How did the school-submitted samples look? Did you complete the parent questionnaire? I had a friend who submitted a high WISC (over 132, can't remember the exact score) and a 16 GBRS with her son's file (no parent questionnaire) and he was denied. On appeal, all she did was submit the parent questionnaire and he then got it.
I agree with above PP. our AART advised filling everything including the referral form even though DC was in pool. Her take was the more info, the better. Definitely advise getting a hold of the file/samples sent to see for yourself.
Thanks to you both. Will do. The samples from the school were solid with strong recommendations but we'll submit more. Silly process, are we sure we're not all crazy?
I understand from stories on this board, often GBRS from a private school isn't taken as seriously. Best example is last year a child with a GBRS of 6 from a private school was admitted. If that is true in your child's case, there was no other independent verification of the need for admission. I don't think you can get the CogAT or NNAT through Mason now because they are only given a few times per year in a group setting.
Why isn't the WISC independent verification?
I don't think I've ever seen a file that has only a single data point indicating AAP admission is really necessary. It seems the committee likes to see at least two data points. If the GBRS was not really heavily weighted, that left you with a single data point: a WISC. The WISC is high but not through the roof high.
If that's the case then they need to clarify their requirements. Required GBRS (but doesn't matter), required score on one of these tests (but really more than one of course)- that doesn't really hold water
And to boot, if you kid is in public schools, test is free. If not, like my son, you have to schedule the test and pay for it. Do we pay taxes, sure do
Anonymous
04/16/2016 23:03
Subject: Re:2016 AAP admissions Thread
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:WISC V FSIQ: 134
GBRS: 12
not eligible -
What were the cogat and nnat?
In independent school. No cogat or NNAT. Thought the 134 + 12 wild do the trick. Thoughts?
GMU offers other tests - perhaps call them and ask what your options are? Are you transferring into FCPS next year? If so, you can then take the COGAT.
I was told the wisc would suffice and 134 is in the 99%. Not sure what to think
I think that private school apps are scrutinized to a higher degree. Did you submit work samples? How did the school-submitted samples look? Did you complete the parent questionnaire? I had a friend who submitted a high WISC (over 132, can't remember the exact score) and a 16 GBRS with her son's file (no parent questionnaire) and he was denied. On appeal, all she did was submit the parent questionnaire and he then got it.
I agree with above PP. our AART advised filling everything including the referral form even though DC was in pool. Her take was the more info, the better. Definitely advise getting a hold of the file/samples sent to see for yourself.
Thanks to you both. Will do. The samples from the school were solid with strong recommendations but we'll submit more. Silly process, are we sure we're not all crazy?
I understand from stories on this board, often GBRS from a private school isn't taken as seriously. Best example is last year a child with a GBRS of 6 from a private school was admitted. If that is true in your child's case, there was no other independent verification of the need for admission. I don't think you can get the CogAT or NNAT through Mason now because they are only given a few times per year in a group setting.
Why isn't the WISC independent verification?
I don't think I've ever seen a file that has only a single data point indicating AAP admission is really necessary. It seems the committee likes to see at least two data points. If the GBRS was not really heavily weighted, that left you with a single data point: a WISC. The WISC is high but not through the roof high.
If that's the case then they need to clarify their requirements. Required GBRS (but doesn't matter), required score on one of these tests (but really more than one of course)- that doesn't really hold water
Anonymous
04/16/2016 23:00
Subject: Re:2016 AAP admissions Thread
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:WISC V FSIQ: 134
GBRS: 12
not eligible -
What were the cogat and nnat?
In independent school. No cogat or NNAT. Thought the 134 + 12 wild do the trick. Thoughts?
GMU offers other tests - perhaps call them and ask what your options are? Are you transferring into FCPS next year? If so, you can then take the COGAT.
I was told the wisc would suffice and 134 is in the 99%. Not sure what to think
Seriously, this is why FCPS should be sued. I know a child with scores in the low 120s who got in and this child didn't? I'm dumbfounded by some of the in and not in scores. Someone should do a FOIA request to see what's up with the random nature of the selections.
Indeed, very frustrating. I'm guessing the FOIA would turn up nothing but some vague process that doesn't include documented individual judgements
Anonymous
04/16/2016 20:28
Subject: Re:2016 AAP admissions Thread
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:WISC V FSIQ: 134
GBRS: 12
not eligible -
What were the cogat and nnat?
In independent school. No cogat or NNAT. Thought the 134 + 12 wild do the trick. Thoughts?
GMU offers other tests - perhaps call them and ask what your options are? Are you transferring into FCPS next year? If so, you can then take the COGAT.
I was told the wisc would suffice and 134 is in the 99%. Not sure what to think
I think that private school apps are scrutinized to a higher degree. Did you submit work samples? How did the school-submitted samples look? Did you complete the parent questionnaire? I had a friend who submitted a high WISC (over 132, can't remember the exact score) and a 16 GBRS with her son's file (no parent questionnaire) and he was denied. On appeal, all she did was submit the parent questionnaire and he then got it.
I agree with above PP. our AART advised filling everything including the referral form even though DC was in pool. Her take was the more info, the better. Definitely advise getting a hold of the file/samples sent to see for yourself.
Thanks to you both. Will do. The samples from the school were solid with strong recommendations but we'll submit more. Silly process, are we sure we're not all crazy?
I understand from stories on this board, often GBRS from a private school isn't taken as seriously. Best example is last year a child with a GBRS of 6 from a private school was admitted. If that is true in your child's case, there was no other independent verification of the need for admission. I don't think you can get the CogAT or NNAT through Mason now because they are only given a few times per year in a group setting.
Why isn't the WISC independent verification?
I don't think I've ever seen a file that has only a single data point indicating AAP admission is really necessary. It seems the committee likes to see at least two data points. If the GBRS was not really heavily weighted, that left you with a single data point: a WISC. The WISC is high but not through the roof high.
Anonymous
04/16/2016 19:59
Subject: Re:2016 AAP admissions Thread
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:WISC V FSIQ: 134
GBRS: 12
not eligible -
What were the cogat and nnat?
In independent school. No cogat or NNAT. Thought the 134 + 12 wild do the trick. Thoughts?
GMU offers other tests - perhaps call them and ask what your options are? Are you transferring into FCPS next year? If so, you can then take the COGAT.
I was told the wisc would suffice and 134 is in the 99%. Not sure what to think
I think that private school apps are scrutinized to a higher degree. Did you submit work samples? How did the school-submitted samples look? Did you complete the parent questionnaire? I had a friend who submitted a high WISC (over 132, can't remember the exact score) and a 16 GBRS with her son's file (no parent questionnaire) and he was denied. On appeal, all she did was submit the parent questionnaire and he then got it.
I agree with above PP. our AART advised filling everything including the referral form even though DC was in pool. Her take was the more info, the better. Definitely advise getting a hold of the file/samples sent to see for yourself.
Thanks to you both. Will do. The samples from the school were solid with strong recommendations but we'll submit more. Silly process, are we sure we're not all crazy?
I understand from stories on this board, often GBRS from a private school isn't taken as seriously. Best example is last year a child with a GBRS of 6 from a private school was admitted. If that is true in your child's case, there was no other independent verification of the need for admission. I don't think you can get the CogAT or NNAT through Mason now because they are only given a few times per year in a group setting.
Why isn't the WISC independent verification?