Anonymous
04/03/2015 08:41
Subject: Indiana's Religious Freedom law
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The fund is up to almost $72,000 for the pizza place owners and consistently growing.
IIRC, this is sort of like what the Christian baker in Oregon described. After he refused to sell to the lesbian couple, he got a ton of orders from pro-religion / anti-gay groups nationwide, and his business was booming for six months. Then as the news articles subsided, his out-of-state business dried up. Since his local business reputation was trashed, he had to close the bakery for lack of orders. I suspect the pizza place might get the same initial support, but will face long-term problems.
I don't see how his reputation was "trashed." He is anti-gay-marriage and wouldn't provide wedding cakes to gay couples. That's not smear -- that's the truth. So, once the ruckus died down, the local market decided to vote with their feet and take their money somewhere else. Works for me.
Yea, I do not get the PP's who somehow think that these folks are somehow "entitled" to a certain amouunt of business. My religous views aside, it was dumb for a small business owner to take this sort of stand, especially in the Pacific NW. From a business perspective, he had a poor handle on his market. Further, if his views were so lauded by Christians, why didn't local Christians go out of their way to patronize him long term? That's the questions some of blaming "Libtard" rabble rousers should be asking.
They apparently are doing online business now i would never open brick and mortar these days for lots of reasons. The fund for the pizza place is now at half a mil. Clearly there are like-minded folks, and others who are simp,y sick of the bullying left
You have that backwards. It was the hateful right that started this, by bullying people and refusing them service.
Anonymous
04/03/2015 07:51
Subject: Re:Indiana's Religious Freedom law
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I really don't get the defense I'm seeing: "I'm not a bigot! I have no problem with gays! I just don't like gay marriage!" Why do people think that that isn't discriminatory? "I'm not prejudiced! I think you're mostly people!" How is that any different than "I have no problem with Jews! I just don't think they should be allowed to marry outside their religion!"
I agree. I think people who oppose gay marriage fail to grasp the basic rights long-term gay couples cannot enjoy- adoption, medical decision making, joint filing of taxes, and shared wealth. Its as though legal gay marriage will suddenly create millions of homosexuals when in reality, it just recognizes the reality that millions of gay people are in committed, long-term relationships (often with children) without equal legal protection.
You are incorrect about all these points. Simple legal documents fix these issues. I am heterosexual and married, yet was able to act as the medical decision maker for acfroend having surgery. I signed a form and so did he prior. My mother was in a car accident and the hospital at first refused information to my father due to HIPPA - 50 year marriage.
The ONLY one of those listed that can be fixed by a "simple legal document" is medical power of attorney. And often you have to jump through some serious bureaucracy before you are recognized, which is not much help if you just got pulled out of a wreck.
Anonymous
04/03/2015 06:52
Subject: Re:Indiana's Religious Freedom law
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I really don't get the defense I'm seeing: "I'm not a bigot! I have no problem with gays! I just don't like gay marriage!" Why do people think that that isn't discriminatory? "I'm not prejudiced! I think you're mostly people!" How is that any different than "I have no problem with Jews! I just don't think they should be allowed to marry outside their religion!"
I agree. I think people who oppose gay marriage fail to grasp the basic rights long-term gay couples cannot enjoy- adoption, medical decision making, joint filing of taxes, and shared wealth. Its as though legal gay marriage will suddenly create millions of homosexuals when in reality, it just recognizes the reality that millions of gay people are in committed, long-term relationships (often with children) without equal legal protection.
You are incorrect about all these points. Simple legal documents fix these issues. I am heterosexual and married, yet was able to act as the medical decision maker for acfroend having surgery. I signed a form and so did he prior. My mother was in a car accident and the hospital at first refused information to my father due to HIPPA - 50 year marriage.
Anonymous
04/03/2015 06:48
Subject: Indiana's Religious Freedom law
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The fund is up to almost $72,000 for the pizza place owners and consistently growing.
IIRC, this is sort of like what the Christian baker in Oregon described. After he refused to sell to the lesbian couple, he got a ton of orders from pro-religion / anti-gay groups nationwide, and his business was booming for six months. Then as the news articles subsided, his out-of-state business dried up. Since his local business reputation was trashed, he had to close the bakery for lack of orders. I suspect the pizza place might get the same initial support, but will face long-term problems.
I don't see how his reputation was "trashed." He is anti-gay-marriage and wouldn't provide wedding cakes to gay couples. That's not smear -- that's the truth. So, once the ruckus died down, the local market decided to vote with their feet and take their money somewhere else. Works for me.
Yea, I do not get the PP's who somehow think that these folks are somehow "entitled" to a certain amouunt of business. My religous views aside, it was dumb for a small business owner to take this sort of stand, especially in the Pacific NW. From a business perspective, he had a poor handle on his market. Further, if his views were so lauded by Christians, why didn't local Christians go out of their way to patronize him long term? That's the questions some of blaming "Libtard" rabble rousers should be asking.
They apparently are doing online business now i would never open brick and mortar these days for lots of reasons. The fund for the pizza place is now at half a mil. Clearly there are like-minded folks, and others who are simp,y sick of the bullying left
Anonymous
04/03/2015 06:44
Subject: Re:Indiana's Religious Freedom law
Anonymous wrote:If you personally are baking a cake/photographing the wedding/doing the flowers, you personally are a participant in the wedding, with all your attendant rights and liberties to be anti-gay (or "just" anti-gay-marriage). If your BUSINESS provides cakes/photography services/floral arrangements for weddings, then you have to provide your services without discriminating.
You are not your business, people. This isn't that hard.
The Supreme Court is sure making it harder, though. I agree with you it's pretty easy to see, but they saw it differently in Hobby Lobby. [/quote
]
Because the Supreme Court isn't all obout feelings; it's about law.
Anonymous
04/03/2015 03:24
Subject: Indiana's Religious Freedom law
Anonymous wrote:So much hate over cake. Silly people.
Cake seems to be a great catalyst for revolution, "Qu'ils mangent de la brioche".
Anonymous
04/03/2015 02:08
Subject: Indiana's Religious Freedom law
So much hate over cake. Silly people.
Anonymous
04/03/2015 01:26
Subject: Indiana's Religious Freedom law
Sadly I suspect the outcome with this "donation" twist would have been the same had it been a pro-KKK or pro-Nazi pizza parlor.
We are a nation of morons.
We are a nation of morons.
Anonymous
04/02/2015 16:27
Subject: Re:Indiana's Religious Freedom law
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:The fund is up to almost $72,000 for the pizza place owners and consistently growing.
IIRC, this is sort of like what the Christian baker in Oregon described. After he refused to sell to the lesbian couple, he got a ton of orders from pro-religion / anti-gay groups nationwide, and his business was booming for six months. Then as the news articles subsided, his out-of-state business dried up. Since his local business reputation was trashed, he had to close the bakery for lack of orders. I suspect the pizza place might get the same initial support, but will face long-term problems.
I don't see how his reputation was "trashed." He is anti-gay-marriage and wouldn't provide wedding cakes to gay couples. That's not smear -- that's the truth. So, once the ruckus died down, the local market decided to vote with their feet and take their money somewhere else. Works for me.
As was said upthread...
Capitalism.
Anonymous
04/02/2015 14:33
Subject: Indiana's Religious Freedom law
So they can be harassed or even threatened by people? Why else do you care who the donators are?
Anonymous
04/02/2015 12:58
Subject: Re:Indiana's Religious Freedom law
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous
The fund is up to almost $72,000 for the pizza place owners and consistently growing.
Hope we get the list of names of people who gave money. Maybe the owners can open up a food truck to service klan rallies.
Are you going to answer why you hope their names are released?
Anonymous
04/02/2015 12:06
Subject: Indiana's Religious Freedom law
Anonymous wrote:Almost 4,200 donations at a rate of about 5 donations per minute. I've only looked at tiny fraction of the amounts but spotted a $500 donation. Most are from $10 to $25 but even $50 and even $100 appears not infrequently.
It's infuriating many posters there. One poster has been making up lies about the female owner all morning. I hope she gets sued for liable.
I'm sure you are proud of this bake sale in support of your cause, but you'll need to up your game. Thousands of jobs are leaving the state if this doesn't change. And the state is about to be humiliated over the Final Four.
I'm sure that when the amended legislation passes, you will leave these "Christian" businesses high and dry.
jsteele
04/02/2015 11:53
Subject: Indiana's Religious Freedom law
Anonymous wrote:jsteele wrote:Anonymous wrote:Almost 4,200 donations at a rate of about 5 donations per minute. I've only looked at tiny fraction of the amounts but spotted a $500 donation. Most are from $10 to $25 but even $50 and even $100 appears not infrequently.
It's infuriating many posters there. One poster has been making up lies about the female owner all morning. I hope she gets sued for liable.
Why do you feel the need to live blog this thing? Surely there is something more interesting to discuss? While this particular restaurant may be benefiting from its discriminatory practice, the state as a whole is suffering -- so much, in fact, that it looks like the law will be changed.
The pizza place owners as a whole are suffering too.
Apparently not financially.
Anonymous
04/02/2015 11:40
Subject: Indiana's Religious Freedom law
jsteele wrote:Anonymous wrote:Almost 4,200 donations at a rate of about 5 donations per minute. I've only looked at tiny fraction of the amounts but spotted a $500 donation. Most are from $10 to $25 but even $50 and even $100 appears not infrequently.
It's infuriating many posters there. One poster has been making up lies about the female owner all morning. I hope she gets sued for liable.
Why do you feel the need to live blog this thing? Surely there is something more interesting to discuss? While this particular restaurant may be benefiting from its discriminatory practice, the state as a whole is suffering -- so much, in fact, that it looks like the law will be changed.
The pizza place owners as a whole are suffering too.
jsteele
04/02/2015 11:39
Subject: Indiana's Religious Freedom law
Anonymous wrote:Almost 4,200 donations at a rate of about 5 donations per minute. I've only looked at tiny fraction of the amounts but spotted a $500 donation. Most are from $10 to $25 but even $50 and even $100 appears not infrequently.
It's infuriating many posters there. One poster has been making up lies about the female owner all morning. I hope she gets sued for liable.
Why do you feel the need to live blog this thing? Surely there is something more interesting to discuss? While this particular restaurant may be benefiting from its discriminatory practice, the state as a whole is suffering -- so much, in fact, that it looks like the law will be changed.