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Anonymous wrote:The point is that transgender people aren't worth MORE than non-transgender people. That means that the rights of non-transgender people have to be just as equally protected as the rights of transgender people. So just letting one transgender person use the locker room they want to can cause 50 people to feel awkward, be scared, feel threatened etc. That is NOT the solution. The solution are gender neutral facilities that need to be added everywhere. If they end up meaning transgender people are allowed by law to use the facilities THEY feel they belong to and everyone bothered by it can then use the neutral facilities - OR the transgender people are required to use neutral rooms and everyone else uses gender specific facilities to ME doesn't matter...as long as everybody and NOT JUST the transgender people are respected here.

But you don't have a right to feel comfortable. There is no such right.

Now, I'm all in favor of adding single-user facilities that anybody may use. For example, people who don't feel comfortable sharing a locker room with other people, for whatever reason. As you suggest.

Then what right exactly is it that means transgender people can use facilities that are for the opposite sex? I'm seriously asking. Is there even a law?

Not pp, but human beings do not have a right to "comfort" - but they do have a right to safety.

As has been repeatedly mentioned time and time again, transgender persons have been, and continue to MUCH more likely be the victim of violence in a locker room, than perpetrator of violence. A transgender woman is safer in a locker room with other women. And there have been no cases of women harmed by a transgender woman in a locker room. It's a safe arrangement for all parties.

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Anonymous wrote:Well, I will not be joining Planet Fitness.

A gender neutral changing room is in order. Simple as that. And I'm sure the transgendered wouldn't mind that either.

Yes - because a business MUST cater to a tiny fraction of society.

I should've prefaced by saying I actually agree with you about not joining Planet Fitness until they get gender neutral rooms. It's about comfort for EVERYONE involved. I, personally, would have felt very, very uncomfortable if I found a man in the changing room. I could less than a good damn what anyone thinks.

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agree

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Anonymous wrote:The point is that transgender people aren't worth MORE than non-transgender people. That means that the rights of non-transgender people have to be just as equally protected as the rights of transgender people. So just letting one transgender person use the locker room they want to can cause 50 people to feel awkward, be scared, feel threatened etc. That is NOT the solution. The solution are gender neutral facilities that need to be added everywhere. If they end up meaning transgender people are allowed by law to use the facilities THEY feel they belong to and everyone bothered by it can then use the neutral facilities - OR the transgender people are required to use neutral rooms and everyone else uses gender specific facilities to ME doesn't matter...as long as everybody and NOT JUST the transgender people are respected here.

But you don't have a right to feel comfortable. There is no such right.

Now, I'm all in favor of adding single-user facilities that anybody may use. For example, people who don't feel comfortable sharing a locker room with other people, for whatever reason. As you suggest.

Then what right exactly is it that means transgender people can use facilities that are for the opposite sex? I'm seriously asking. Is there even a law?

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Anonymous wrote:I'm wondering how many of you walk around truly believing you will be attacked in your gym locker room. It must be crazy to be that paranoid all the time.

the only time a person is more vulnerable is when they're asleep. If you're going to protect yourselves a place when you're likely to be naked and vulnerable is a good place to do it. Do you wear a seat belt? Lock your doors? Protect your banking passwords? Make your kids wear a bike helmet and appropriate car seats? If not then that's your business, but most people protect themselves in those ways. Why wouldn't they protect themselves against potential harm when they're naked and vulnerable? Who wants to go running out of the locker room naked if a sociopath posing as a Transgender person wanted to commit a crime? No one has an issue with a true trans person, esp the ones who have ambiguous genitalia and we're truly raised the wrong sex due to a birth defect. What worries people is psychos who exploit the Transgender in the locker room for nefarious reasons.

Has this happened often, in your experience?

Here is how often it has happened in my experience: never.

It will. Once this transgendered thing catches on, you'll find some perverts using it to their advantage. Just like teachers and priests use their positions of trust to dupe people...the fake transies will be signing up for memberships at planet fitness. I think it's hilarious how some people be all stupid to show how "progressive" they are.

"It will" is the same argument bigots use against same-sex marriage, saying it will lead to people marrying their dogs and cats or furniture. It's the same ridiculous "slippery slope" bullshit. There is just no truth to it.

Anonymous wrote:The point is that transgender people aren't worth MORE than non-transgender people. That means that the rights of non-transgender people have to be just as equally protected as the rights of transgender people. So just letting one transgender person use the locker room they want to can cause 50 people to feel awkward, be scared, feel threatened etc. That is NOT the solution. The solution are gender neutral facilities that need to be added everywhere. If they end up meaning transgender people are allowed by law to use the facilities THEY feel they belong to and everyone bothered by it can then use the neutral facilities - OR the transgender people are required to use neutral rooms and everyone else uses gender specific facilities to ME doesn't matter...as long as everybody and NOT JUST the transgender people are respected here.

But you don't have a right to feel comfortable. There is no such right.

Now, I'm all in favor of adding single-user facilities that anybody may use. For example, people who don't feel comfortable sharing a locker room with other people, for whatever reason. As you suggest.

The point is that transgender people aren't worth MORE than non-transgender people. That means that the rights of non-transgender people have to be just as equally protected as the rights of transgender people. So just letting one transgender person use the locker room they want to can cause 50 people to feel awkward, be scared, feel threatened etc. That is NOT the solution. The solution are gender neutral facilities that need to be added everywhere. If they end up meaning transgender people are allowed by law to use the facilities THEY feel they belong to and everyone bothered by it can then use the neutral facilities - OR the transgender people are required to use neutral rooms and everyone else uses gender specific facilities to ME doesn't matter...as long as everybody and NOT JUST the transgender people are respected here.

Personally I have had sexual abuse experiences and having to deal with naked men in a women's locker rooms is a seriously traumatizing experience for me. It would have serious repercussions for my mental health (due to no fault of my own...I can't just "deal" as so many have suggested). I should not have to deal with naked men in women's locker rooms. It's not about the fear of being attacked - it's about having to see men's genitals in an environment where I shouldn't have to worry about that.

I'd be fine using neutral facilities if I know the chance to have to see penises in the women's locker room exists. But 'having to deal' is not okay. True equality means respecting everyone's rights equally. And not valuing one group of people more than another.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm wondering how many of you walk around truly believing you will be attacked in your gym locker room. It must be crazy to be that paranoid all the time.

the only time a person is more vulnerable is when they're asleep. If you're going to protect yourselves a place when you're likely to be naked and vulnerable is a good place to do it. Do you wear a seat belt? Lock your doors? Protect your banking passwords? Make your kids wear a bike helmet and appropriate car seats? If not then that's your business, but most people protect themselves in those ways. Why wouldn't they protect themselves against potential harm when they're naked and vulnerable? Who wants to go running out of the locker room naked if a sociopath posing as a Transgender person wanted to commit a crime? No one has an issue with a true trans person, esp the ones who have ambiguous genitalia and we're truly raised the wrong sex due to a birth defect. What worries people is psychos who exploit the Transgender in the locker room for nefarious reasons.

Has this happened often, in your experience?

Here is how often it has happened in my experience: never.

It will. Once this transgendered thing catches on, you'll find some perverts using it to their advantage. Just like teachers and priests use their positions of trust to dupe people...the fake transies will be signing up for memberships at planet fitness. I think it's hilarious how some people be all stupid to show how "progressive" they are.

So in 2014, there were over 10K reported cases of violence against transgender persons. There were no documented cases of cross-dressing attackers. So you want to prevent a business from doing what they can to provide protections to a class of people that are currently and routinely significantly harassed and assaulted thousands of time a year just to possibly prevent an assault that has never happened, but may happen.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm wondering how many of you walk around truly believing you will be attacked in your gym locker room. It must be crazy to be that paranoid all the time.

the only time a person is more vulnerable is when they're asleep. If you're going to protect yourselves a place when you're likely to be naked and vulnerable is a good place to do it. Do you wear a seat belt? Lock your doors? Protect your banking passwords? Make your kids wear a bike helmet and appropriate car seats? If not then that's your business, but most people protect themselves in those ways. Why wouldn't they protect themselves against potential harm when they're naked and vulnerable? Who wants to go running out of the locker room naked if a sociopath posing as a Transgender person wanted to commit a crime? No one has an issue with a true trans person, esp the ones who have ambiguous genitalia and we're truly raised the wrong sex due to a birth defect. What worries people is psychos who exploit the Transgender in the locker room for nefarious reasons.

Has this happened often, in your experience?

Here is how often it has happened in my experience: never.

It will. Once this transgendered thing catches on, you'll find some perverts using it to their advantage. Just like teachers and priests use their positions of trust to dupe people...the fake transies will be signing up for memberships at planet fitness. I think it's hilarious how some people be all stupid to show how "progressive" they are.

How does the gym differentiate between someone who is transgender ed and someone who just claims to be transgendered. I for one would like to know if the penis next to me belongs to a woman or a man. And are those who think having penis in the woman's changing room the same that complain about having an 8 year old boy in the changing room? Like someone else said before, let's liberate ourselves and do away with separate changing rooms. I am sure all the supporters would have no problems being surrounded by penises.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm wondering how many of you walk around truly believing you will be attacked in your gym locker room. It must be crazy to be that paranoid all the time.

the only time a person is more vulnerable is when they're asleep. If you're going to protect yourselves a place when you're likely to be naked and vulnerable is a good place to do it. Do you wear a seat belt? Lock your doors? Protect your banking passwords? Make your kids wear a bike helmet and appropriate car seats? If not then that's your business, but most people protect themselves in those ways. Why wouldn't they protect themselves against potential harm when they're naked and vulnerable? Who wants to go running out of the locker room naked if a sociopath posing as a Transgender person wanted to commit a crime? No one has an issue with a true trans person, esp the ones who have ambiguous genitalia and we're truly raised the wrong sex due to a birth defect. What worries people is psychos who exploit the Transgender in the locker room for nefarious reasons.

Has this happened often, in your experience?

Here is how often it has happened in my experience: never.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm wondering how many of you walk around truly believing you will be attacked in your gym locker room. It must be crazy to be that paranoid all the time.

the only time a person is more vulnerable is when they're asleep. If you're going to protect yourselves a place when you're likely to be naked and vulnerable is a good place to do it. Do you wear a seat belt? Lock your doors? Protect your banking passwords? Make your kids wear a bike helmet and appropriate car seats? If not then that's your business, but most people protect themselves in those ways. Why wouldn't they protect themselves against potential harm when they're naked and vulnerable? Who wants to go running out of the locker room naked if a sociopath posing as a Transgender person wanted to commit a crime? No one has an issue with a true trans person, esp the ones who have ambiguous genitalia and we're truly raised the wrong sex due to a birth defect. What worries people is psychos who exploit the Transgender in the locker room for nefarious reasons.

Is this actually happening, or is it only true in your imagination?

Anonymous wrote:I'm wondering how many of you walk around truly believing you will be attacked in your gym locker room. It must be crazy to be that paranoid all the time.

the only time a person is more vulnerable is when they're asleep. If you're going to protect yourselves a place when you're likely to be naked and vulnerable is a good place to do it. Do you wear a seat belt? Lock your doors? Protect your banking passwords? Make your kids wear a bike helmet and appropriate car seats? If not then that's your business, but most people protect themselves in those ways. Why wouldn't they protect themselves against potential harm when they're naked and vulnerable? Who wants to go running out of the locker room naked if a sociopath posing as a Transgender person wanted to commit a crime? No one has an issue with a true trans person, esp the ones who have ambiguous genitalia and we're truly raised the wrong sex due to a birth defect. What worries people is psychos who exploit the Transgender in the locker room for nefarious reasons.

Anonymous wrote:I'm wondering how many of you walk around truly believing you will be attacked in your gym locker room. It must be crazy to be that paranoid all the time.

It's because they all watched the Rocky Horror Picture Show in the mistaken belief that it's a documentary. (Let's do the time warp again!)

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I don't have a problem with lesbians in the women's locker room. After all, they are women. I do have a problem with a man in the women's room. It matters not that he thinks he is a woman. He is a man undergoing a process to be a fake woman. All the surgery in the world does not make a he a she and vice versa. Just like all the surgery in the world will not make Madonna look like she is still twenty-fives years old.. She's still fifty-five with expensive surgery Reveling in her mental delusions, and a transgende is still a man with expensive surgery Reveling in his mental delusions.

In that case, you're surely just fine with a transman in the women's locker room -- right? After all, it doesn't matter that he thinks he's a man, you know he's really a woman -- right?

I'm wondering how many of you walk around truly believing you will be attacked in your gym locker room. It must be crazy to be that paranoid all the time.