Anonymous wrote:Huh? The uber liberals have gone silent? Your king has joined a prestigious country club! Do you shun him now? Has he sold out and gone to the dark side? Oh, No! What to do, what to do?

To be honest, in regards to this thread and all the ill-informed nasty holier-than-thou liberal comments, I think it's funny that Obama joined Columbia. Columbia is traditionally a Catholic club, although times have changed, it continues to be very Catholic heavy and, as a result, more conservative politically than Chevy Chase Club (not to mention all the nasty Catholic haters must be dumb founded now as well). This is a perfect example of how times have changed and people become members of a club that they have lots of good true friends at - that is what plays a significant role in who is a perfect candidate (to answer an earlier question). It's not the color of your skin, your religion, your political leanings, instead it's a desire to join the club, an ability to pay, and having lots of good friends who are members (strong enough that they will take the time to write a letter in support of your membership). That's it!

You, my friend, are making the liberals' points for them. It takes being a former President for an AA to have the social connections to even initiate the process. An exaggerated point, I admit, but using an outlier to support your case is feeble. Plenty of affluent AA families in the DC area. Plenty of Black golfers in the area. Plenty of nice families in the area. Plenty of nice, AA, Catholic families in the area. A bit of introspection might do you some good.

Huh? The uber liberals have gone silent? Your king has joined a prestigious country club! Do you shun him now? Has he sold out and gone to the dark side? Oh, No! What to do, what to do?

To be honest, in regards to this thread and all the ill-informed nasty holier-than-thou liberal comments, I think it's funny that Obama joined Columbia. Columbia is traditionally a Catholic club, although times have changed, it continues to be very Catholic heavy and, as a result, more conservative politically than Chevy Chase Club (not to mention all the nasty Catholic haters must be dumb founded now as well). This is a perfect example of how times have changed and people become members of a club that they have lots of good true friends at - that is what plays a significant role in who is a perfect candidate (to answer an earlier question). It's not the color of your skin, your religion, your political leanings, instead it's a desire to join the club, an ability to pay, and having lots of good friends who are members (strong enough that they will take the time to write a letter in support of your membership). That's it!

STA / NCS tend to have the largest presence at the Chevy Chase club, followed by Landon and Georgetown Prep. From the publics its common to see Whitman and BCC stickers as well. You will see a few Sidwell stickers every now and then.

Anonymous wrote:At least one liberal Sidwell parent is now a member of the other CCC (Columbia CC)—a largely conservative place: https://www.washingtonian.com/2017/10/06/obama-will-join-columbia-country-club-in-chevy-chase/.

That’s not suprising. The op’s question was about Chevy and not about Columbia. Being conservative wasn’t the issue at hand.

At least one liberal Sidwell parent is now a member of the other CCC (Columbia CC)—a largely conservative place: https://www.washingtonian.com/2017/10/06/obama-will-join-columbia-country-club-in-chevy-chase/.

I see all the CCC members still refuse to acknowledge the dearth of families of color....excuses, excuses

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Anonymous wrote:Comments that Chevy Chase Club discriminates against against Jews or any other religious group OR that it blackballs anyone are both ill-informed and ridiculous. I am a member at Chevy Chase, and I can tell you that we have numerous Jewish members AND that votes by the Board on prospective members are by a simple majority ---- NO blackballing. Moreover, the idea that most of the members there are necessarily Republicans or conservatives is silly. I have no idea what party most of my friends at the Club are, but I do know that "liberal" ideas are freely expressed by many of the members, along with conservative ideas --- just as is true in society here at large.

This is exactly how society should behave. I'm sure the members of the club are civilized and respectful of others' opinions. It's the liberals who are intolerant of anyone who does not share their beliefs. They take no shame in behaving badly.

I also think many are jealous because they are not in a position to be in this club. I respect those who are members even though it will never be a possibility for me.

Its right that you respect your betters. You're clearly one of those low-information, un-educated Trump supporters. You clearly don't understand the upper classes nor Washington politics and society any better than you understand Trump's true loyalties or intentions. Most of the members of Chevy are fans of Obama and think Trump is a national shame.

Even the Democratic Jewish leaders who hold senior elected positions in government -; (many of the statements in earlier posts are absurd....true 50 years ago, but those days are long gone, and those members are all dead)

I AM a multi generation member. The Club is what used to be called 'Rockefeller Republican'. There isn't any right or a left. Everyone is pretty much moderate, open minded, values competence. Conservative on economics, liberal on social.

Was it George Will who said the country should be run by random pick of the Boston phone book? I would happily let 50 random CCC members run the country. You would get a broad mix of highly competent people representing all center left and center right views. There are very few ideologues there. It doesn't lead to a harmonious community of interesting and thoughtful people. That's who 'gets in'. Call it discriminatory, and it is, but they don't care about ethnicity or religion anymore.

Sorry to burst anyone's bubble, but what was the line in 'Field of Dreams'? "Go back to the 60's where you came from'

CCC is very much moved into the 21st century.

With respect to how this chain started, the answer is no, there are not a lot of Sidwell Families at CCC. They tend to be ideological and very left. They aren't kept out, they just don't want to join, because they see moderate as right wing. STA/NCS/Landon/Holton families tend to also lean 'Rockefeller Republican'. Fiscal conservative, social liberal, and are feel more comfortable.

Its self selection, not discrimination these days.

This is laughable. What you would get is a white bread mix of insufferable, self-centered, elitist NIMBYs who can't think beyond the confines of the Beltway. But are certain that they represent the best interests of "everyone."

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Anonymous wrote:Comments that Chevy Chase Club discriminates against against Jews or any other religious group OR that it blackballs anyone are both ill-informed and ridiculous. I am a member at Chevy Chase, and I can tell you that we have numerous Jewish members AND that votes by the Board on prospective members are by a simple majority ---- NO blackballing. Moreover, the idea that most of the members there are necessarily Republicans or conservatives is silly. I have no idea what party most of my friends at the Club are, but I do know that "liberal" ideas are freely expressed by many of the members, along with conservative ideas --- just as is true in society here at large.

This is exactly how society should behave. I'm sure the members of the club are civilized and respectful of others' opinions. It's the liberals who are intolerant of anyone who does not share their beliefs. They take no shame in behaving badly.

I also think many are jealous because they are not in a position to be in this club. I respect those who are members even though it will never be a possibility for me.

Its right that you respect your betters. You're clearly one of those low-information, un-educated Trump supporters. You clearly don't understand the upper classes nor Washington politics and society any better than you understand Trump's true loyalties or intentions. Most of the members of Chevy are fans of Obama and think Trump is a national shame.

Even the Democratic Jewish leaders who hold senior elected positions in government -; (many of the statements in earlier posts are absurd....true 50 years ago, but those days are long gone, and those members are all dead)

I AM a multi generation member. The Club is what used to be called 'Rockefeller Republican'. There isn't any right or a left. Everyone is pretty much moderate, open minded, values competence. Conservative on economics, liberal on social.

Was it George Will who said the country should be run by random pick of the Boston phone book? I would happily let 50 random CCC members run the country. You would get a broad mix of highly competent people representing all center left and center right views. There are very few ideologues there. It doesn't lead to a harmonious community of interesting and thoughtful people. That's who 'gets in'. Call it discriminatory, and it is, but they don't care about ethnicity or religion anymore.

Sorry to burst anyone's bubble, but what was the line in 'Field of Dreams'? "Go back to the 60's where you came from'

CCC is very much moved into the 21st century.

With respect to how this chain started, the answer is no, there are not a lot of Sidwell Families at CCC. They tend to be ideological and very left. They aren't kept out, they just don't want to join, because they see moderate as right wing. STA/NCS/Landon/Holton families tend to also lean 'Rockefeller Republican'. Fiscal conservative, social liberal, and are feel more comfortable.

Its self selection, not discrimination these days.

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Anonymous wrote:Comments that Chevy Chase Club discriminates against against Jews or any other religious group OR that it blackballs anyone are both ill-informed and ridiculous. I am a member at Chevy Chase, and I can tell you that we have numerous Jewish members AND that votes by the Board on prospective members are by a simple majority ---- NO blackballing. Moreover, the idea that most of the members there are necessarily Republicans or conservatives is silly. I have no idea what party most of my friends at the Club are, but I do know that "liberal" ideas are freely expressed by many of the members, along with conservative ideas --- just as is true in society here at large.

This is exactly how society should behave. I'm sure the members of the club are civilized and respectful of others' opinions. It's the liberals who are intolerant of anyone who does not share their beliefs. They take no shame in behaving badly.

I also think many are jealous because they are not in a position to be in this club. I respect those who are members even though it will never be a possibility for me.

Its right that you respect your betters. You're clearly one of those low-information, un-educated Trump supporters. You clearly don't understand the upper classes nor Washington politics and society any better than you understand Trump's true loyalties or intentions. Most of the members of Chevy are fans of Obama and think Trump is a national shame.

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Anonymous wrote:Comments that Chevy Chase Club discriminates against against Jews or any other religious group OR that it blackballs anyone are both ill-informed and ridiculous. I am a member at Chevy Chase, and I can tell you that we have numerous Jewish members AND that votes by the Board on prospective members are by a simple majority ---- NO blackballing. Moreover, the idea that most of the members there are necessarily Republicans or conservatives is silly. I have no idea what party most of my friends at the Club are, but I do know that "liberal" ideas are freely expressed by many of the members, along with conservative ideas --- just as is true in society here at large.

This is exactly how society should behave. I'm sure the members of the club are civilized and respectful of others' opinions. It's the liberals who are intolerant of anyone who does not share their beliefs. They take no shame in behaving badly.

I also think many are jealous because they are not in a position to be in this club. I respect those who are members even though it will never be a possibility for me.

Do you think that the "liberals" who fought for the end of Jim Crow laws and discriminatory practices were wrong in their intolerance for the "civilized" white people who refused to examine their racist clubs? What you call "intolerance" is really just complacency and a refusal or inability to think critically about traditions and institutions.

Anonymous wrote:Comments that Chevy Chase Club discriminates against against Jews or any other religious group OR that it blackballs anyone are both ill-informed and ridiculous. I am a member at Chevy Chase, and I can tell you that we have numerous Jewish members AND that votes by the Board on prospective members are by a simple majority ---- NO blackballing. Moreover, the idea that most of the members there are necessarily Republicans or conservatives is silly. I have no idea what party most of my friends at the Club are, but I do know that "liberal" ideas are freely expressed by many of the members, along with conservative ideas --- just as is true in society here at large.

This is exactly how society should behave. I'm sure the members of the club are civilized and respectful of others' opinions. It's the liberals who are intolerant of anyone who does not share their beliefs. They take no shame in behaving badly.

I also think many are jealous because they are not in a position to be in this club. I respect those who are members even though it will never be a possibility for me.

Anonymous wrote:We don't know a lot of people who belong to the club, but of the few that we do one is Jewish and also is at Sidwell so not sure the club is really discriminating.

Only Jewish people I know that belong are republicans or at least their spouse is.

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Anonymous wrote:Keeping someone out of a club doesn't mean that they are racist. You notice Obama or Tiger woods or a million other people of color or Jewish people are members of clubs. Clubs want people with MONEY (so that they know that they can pay their dues), and people who use the club (aka play golf and tennis and swim as that is how they make money). We actually toured one club that we decided not to join because for years they had only admitted Jewish people. We didn't feel that it was a good fit for us.

You can't discriminate against people who don't apply. Did you ever consider that AA's are a minority at clubs because very few AA's PLAY golf?

http://www.golf.com/tour-and-news/where-are-all-black-golfers-nearly-two-decades-after-tiger-woods-arrival-golf-still-st

I mean, is the NBA racist because its overwhelmingly one color?

Maybe you can get involved with a program like The First Tee and help young minorities pick up the game rather than ranting about country clubs.

I don't think anyone on here is anti-clubs. They are replying to the op about a particular club and answering her/his question candidly. All clubs don't discriminate but the one op asked about has a history of doing so and apparently according to some they are still doing it but more secretly. Instead of being on here and being so defensive why don't you go play some golf?

Have you read the thread? There is a loud and vocal contingent who is very anti-club.

NP. There is a crowd of anti-cc people. I am one. My parents are members and I grew up in one. I hate them and think less of people who join them.

You were at a subpar club and didn't do the sports? Anyone in a nice club with fine dining and great tennis/golf/swimming appreciates and enjoys the experience. How can you not? I think you haven't really experienced it at a nice place.

So as long it is a nice club it doesn't matter that it discriminates?

If you are not on the board or membership committee, how on earth would you see discrimination, if it even exists? Not specific to CCC but all clubs, proposed members are printed in the bulletin. I have never seen a name and called up a committee or whatever to blackball a person. If somebody else does that, I wouldn't even know. Not everybody is always looking for something that isn't there. Some people are just having a nice time.

Umm hmm! Drunk on gin, oblivious to your surroundings.

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Anonymous wrote:Keeping someone out of a club doesn't mean that they are racist. You notice Obama or Tiger woods or a million other people of color or Jewish people are members of clubs. Clubs want people with MONEY (so that they know that they can pay their dues), and people who use the club (aka play golf and tennis and swim as that is how they make money). We actually toured one club that we decided not to join because for years they had only admitted Jewish people. We didn't feel that it was a good fit for us.

You can't discriminate against people who don't apply. Did you ever consider that AA's are a minority at clubs because very few AA's PLAY golf?

http://www.golf.com/tour-and-news/where-are-all-black-golfers-nearly-two-decades-after-tiger-woods-arrival-golf-still-st

I mean, is the NBA racist because its overwhelmingly one color?

Maybe you can get involved with a program like The First Tee and help young minorities pick up the game rather than ranting about country clubs.

I don't think anyone on here is anti-clubs. They are replying to the op about a particular club and answering her/his question candidly. All clubs don't discriminate but the one op asked about has a history of doing so and apparently according to some they are still doing it but more secretly. Instead of being on here and being so defensive why don't you go play some golf?

Have you read the thread? There is a loud and vocal contingent who is very anti-club.

NP. There is a crowd of anti-cc people. I am one. My parents are members and I grew up in one. I hate them and think less of people who join them.

You were at a subpar club and didn't do the sports? Anyone in a nice club with fine dining and great tennis/golf/swimming appreciates and enjoys the experience. How can you not? I think you haven't really experienced it at a nice place.

So as long it is a nice club it doesn't matter that it discriminates?

If you are not on the board or membership committee, how on earth would you see discrimination, if it even exists? Not specific to CCC but all clubs, proposed members are printed in the bulletin. I have never seen a name and called up a committee or whatever to blackball a person. If somebody else does that, I wouldn't even know. Not everybody is always looking for something that isn't there. Some people are just having a nice time.

Anonymous wrote:I am the poster from 18:21.
I made my post even though it did not relate directly to the Sidwell Friends question (I don't know the answer to that question) to correct two misstatements in that thread about Chevy Chase Club. I.e., to say that we DON"T discriminate, and there is no such thing as blackball there relative to applicants.
I have no interest in getting into a prolonged discussion with the poster from 18:43 although I disagree with him/her.
But one thing I don't like is being misquoted here. So to correct a third misstatement, I did NOT write that "comments that Chevy Chase Club ACTIVELY discriminates against Jews, etc.... are ill-informed and ridiculous." That statement would imply that I believe that the Club may discriminate in some lesser faction. I said that they don't discriminate PERIOD. It is my sincere belief, based on my experiences there, that good candidates for membership of whatever faith, color, or ethnicity would be welcomed and admitted if proposed by a member. That is all that I am saying - nothing more, nothing less.

What makes a "good candidate for membership"?