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Anonymous wrote:This thread is making me ill.

At first i thought I was jealous, but even if I had the option to stay home and do nothing, I have way too much pride to do that.

I'd like to be a decent role model for my daughter--I want to teach her that her goal shouldn't be to marry "well," but it should be to fulfill her potential rather than just take the easy/lazy way out. Seriously, ladies, you stay home without kids to raise? Your husbands are going to get tired of that real fast. I know I'd kick my man to the curb if he decided to do that (and we didn't have 2.5 kids, which we do). Why do you as women get that luxury, but your husbands don't?

You have half a kid?

Yes.

Someone who has never been pregnant - wouldn't get that.

Anonymous wrote:What's "strong" about choosing voluntarily to do something our female ancestors HAD to do?

New poster, and I absolutely consider myself a feminist, and here's why I personally care about what you do when you stay at home for no reason at all: because, as a few other posters have pointed out, you're an embarrassment to the women's movement that fought to have the right to go to work, the right to advance in a career, the right to NOT have to stay at home and cook, clean, shop. Your complete lack of purpose and dependence on the man on your life for EVERYTHING makes you the epitome of the stereotype that our mothers, grandmothers, and - in some cases - great-grandmothers fought against.

I hate you. Yes, I hate you. Not because you're pitiable, which you are (unless you have a trust fund, many of you will find yourselves in the position of being up s**t creek without a paddle one day when your husband meets someone more interesting than you); not because you're boring, which you are (you shop all day and likely have nothing intelligent to contribute to a conversation); not even because you're a drag on society, which you are (having apparently nothing of value to contribute, although I should thank you for spurring the retail economy) - but only because you make an employer less likely to hire me and my kind - women that actually want to break glass ceiling, want to make a difference in the world, want to be good role models for our daughter.

And make no mistake - you are pathetic role models for your daughters. I don't say that out of jealousy (we have lots of $$, although not trust fund money); I say that as a mom who desperately wants my daughter to grow up with a sense of value and wanting to contribute something wonderful to the world. I want her to be Hillary Clinton, Michelle Obama, Meg Whitman, Sheryl Sandburg (all of whom also have millions - or billions - of dollars, but still seem to find the value in working). And your presence tarnishes my hope to expose her only to strong, powerful, wonderful, smart, valuable women.

I hate you - and care that you are as pathetic as you are - because you make men think that women are dependent cling-ons with little value on their own. That's why you - with your sad little lives - make all of us worse off. You are the anti-feminists. I can only hope that as we get further and further away from finding this kind of lifestyle acceptable as a society that there will be fewer and fewer of you around to model yourselves for our childen.

Anonymous wrote:New poster, and I absolutely consider myself a feminist, and here's why I personally care about what you do when you stay at home for no reason at all: because, as a few other posters have pointed out, you're an embarrassment to the women's movement that fought to have the right to go to work, the right to advance in a career, the right to NOT have to stay at home and cook, clean, shop. Your complete lack of purpose and dependence on the man on your life for EVERYTHING makes you the epitome of the stereotype that our mothers, grandmothers, and - in some cases - great-grandmothers fought against.

I hate you. Yes, I hate you. Not because you're pitiable, which you are (unless you have a trust fund, many of you will find yourselves in the position of being up s**t creek without a paddle one day when your husband meets someone more interesting than you); not because you're boring, which you are (you shop all day and likely have nothing intelligent to contribute to a conversation); not even because you're a drag on society, which you are (having apparently nothing of value to contribute, although I should thank you for spurring the retail economy) - but only because you make an employer less likely to hire me and my kind - women that actually want to break glass ceiling, want to make a difference in the world, want to be good role models for our daughter.

And make no mistake - you are pathetic role models for your daughters. I don't say that out of jealousy (we have lots of $$, although not trust fund money); I say that as a mom who desperately wants my daughter to grow up with a sense of value and wanting to contribute something wonderful to the world. I want her to be Hillary Clinton, Michelle Obama, Meg Whitman, Sheryl Sandburg (all of whom also have millions - or billions - of dollars, but still seem to find the value in working). And your presence tarnishes my hope to expose her only to strong, powerful, wonderful, smart, valuable women.

I hate you - and care that you are as pathetic as you are - because you make men think that women are dependent cling-ons with little value on their own. That's why you - with your sad little lives - make all of us worse off. You are the anti-feminists. I can only hope that as we get further and further away from finding this kind of lifestyle acceptable as a society that there will be fewer and fewer of you around to model yourselves for our childen.

Anonymous wrote:New poster, and I absolutely consider myself a feminist, and here's why I personally care about what you do when you stay at home for no reason at all: because, as a few other posters have pointed out, you're an embarrassment to the women's movement that fought to have the right to go to work, the right to advance in a career, the right to NOT have to stay at home and cook, clean, shop. Your complete lack of purpose and dependence on the man on your life for EVERYTHING makes you the epitome of the stereotype that our mothers, grandmothers, and - in some cases - great-grandmothers fought against.

I hate you. Yes, I hate you. Not because you're pitiable, which you are (unless you have a trust fund, many of you will find yourselves in the position of being up s**t creek without a paddle one day when your husband meets someone more interesting than you); not because you're boring, which you are (you shop all day and likely have nothing intelligent to contribute to a conversation); not even because you're a drag on society, which you are (having apparently nothing of value to contribute, although I should thank you for spurring the retail economy) - but only because you make an employer less likely to hire me and my kind - women that actually want to break glass ceiling, want to make a difference in the world, want to be good role models for our daughter.

And make no mistake - you are pathetic role models for your daughters. I don't say that out of jealousy (we have lots of $$, although not trust fund money); I say that as a mom who desperately wants my daughter to grow up with a sense of value and wanting to contribute something wonderful to the world. I want her to be Hillary Clinton, Michelle Obama, Meg Whitman, Sheryl Sandburg (all of whom also have millions - or billions - of dollars, but still seem to find the value in working). And your presence tarnishes my hope to expose her only to strong, powerful, wonderful, smart, valuable women.

I hate you - and care that you are as pathetic as you are - because you make men think that women are dependent cling-ons with little value on their own. That's why you - with your sad little lives - make all of us worse off. You are the anti-feminists. I can only hope that as we get further and further away from finding this kind of lifestyle acceptable as a society that there will be fewer and fewer of you around to model yourselves for our childen.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:New poster, and I absolutely consider myself a feminist, and here's why I personally care about what you do when you stay at home for no reason at all: because, as a few other posters have pointed out, you're an embarrassment to the women's movement that fought to have the right to go to work, the right to advance in a career, the right to NOT have to stay at home and cook, clean, shop. Your complete lack of purpose and dependence on the man on your life for EVERYTHING makes you the epitome of the stereotype that our mothers, grandmothers, and - in some cases - great-grandmothers fought against.

I hate you. Yes, I hate you. Not because you're pitiable, which you are (unless you have a trust fund, many of you will find yourselves in the position of being up s**t creek without a paddle one day when your husband meets someone more interesting than you); not because you're boring, which you are (you shop all day and likely have nothing intelligent to contribute to a conversation); not even because you're a drag on society, which you are (having apparently nothing of value to contribute, although I should thank you for spurring the retail economy) - but only because you make an employer less likely to hire me and my kind - women that actually want to break glass ceiling, want to make a difference in the world, want to be good role models for our daughter.

And make no mistake - you are pathetic role models for your daughters. I don't say that out of jealousy (we have lots of $$, although not trust fund money); I say that as a mom who desperately wants my daughter to grow up with a sense of value and wanting to contribute something wonderful to the world. I want her to be Hillary Clinton, Michelle Obama, Meg Whitman, Sheryl Sandburg (all of whom also have millions - or billions - of dollars, but still seem to find the value in working). And your presence tarnishes my hope to expose her only to strong, powerful, wonderful, smart, valuable women.

I hate you - and care that you are as pathetic as you are - because you make men think that women are dependent cling-ons with little value on their own. That's why you - with your sad little lives - make all of us worse off. You are the anti-feminists. I can only hope that as we get further and further away from finding this kind of lifestyle acceptable as a society that there will be fewer and fewer of you around to model yourselves for our childen.

Yikes! Scary

Well, what's fundamentally anti-feminist about pp's argument is that it completely marginalizes the role women have played throughout most of history (and continue to play in many parts of the world.) Feminism should be all about ensuring *opportunities* for women, not forcing them into the same role as men. We should see value in both traditional feminine activities/responsibilities (which can now be done by men as well, thanks feminism!) and traditional masculine responsibilities, and open our daughter's eyes to the amazing concept of choice.

Now, I agree with pp that some employers have biases based on getting burned by women who quit to stay home, etc. Well that's enabled by sexism, as I'm sure they've equally been burned by men who left for other types of greener pastures. It's their sexism that causes them to generalize and try to take it out on another generation of women. So, we should work on fixing that insidious sexism problem!

signed- working mom in a traditionally male field

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Anonymous wrote:New poster, and I absolutely consider myself a feminist, and here's why I personally care about what you do when you stay at home for no reason at all: because, as a few other posters have pointed out, you're an embarrassment to the women's movement that fought to have the right to go to work, the right to advance in a career, the right to NOT have to stay at home and cook, clean, shop. Your complete lack of purpose and dependence on the man on your life for EVERYTHING makes you the epitome of the stereotype that our mothers, grandmothers, and - in some cases - great-grandmothers fought against.

I hate you. Yes, I hate you. Not because you're pitiable, which you are (unless you have a trust fund, many of you will find yourselves in the position of being up s**t creek without a paddle one day when your husband meets someone more interesting than you); not because you're boring, which you are (you shop all day and likely have nothing intelligent to contribute to a conversation); not even because you're a drag on society, which you are (having apparently nothing of value to contribute, although I should thank you for spurring the retail economy) - but only because you make an employer less likely to hire me and my kind - women that actually want to break glass ceiling, want to make a difference in the world, want to be good role models for our daughter.

And make no mistake - you are pathetic role models for your daughters. I don't say that out of jealousy (we have lots of $$, although not trust fund money); I say that as a mom who desperately wants my daughter to grow up with a sense of value and wanting to contribute something wonderful to the world. I want her to be Hillary Clinton, Michelle Obama, Meg Whitman, Sheryl Sandburg (all of whom also have millions - or billions - of dollars, but still seem to find the value in working). And your presence tarnishes my hope to expose her only to strong, powerful, wonderful, smart, valuable women.

I hate you - and care that you are as pathetic as you are - because you make men think that women are dependent cling-ons with little value on their own. That's why you - with your sad little lives - make all of us worse off. You are the anti-feminists. I can only hope that as we get further and further away from finding this kind of lifestyle acceptable as a society that there will be fewer and fewer of you around to model yourselves for our childen.

Yikes! Scary

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This thread is making me ill.

At first i thought I was jealous, but even if I had the option to stay home and do nothing, I have way too much pride to do that.

I'd like to be a decent role model for my daughter--I want to teach her that her goal shouldn't be to marry "well," but it should be to fulfill her potential rather than just take the easy/lazy way out. Seriously, ladies, you stay home without kids to raise? Your husbands are going to get tired of that real fast. I know I'd kick my man to the curb if he decided to do that (and we didn't have 2.5 kids, which we do). Why do you as women get that luxury, but your husbands don't?

You have half a kid?

Yes.