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Anonymous wrote:For those trying to say any dog can be aggressive, how many times do you read about beagles maiming or killing children?

I ADORE beagles. Actually, beagles and pit bulls are my two favorite breeds.That being said, I met a neighbor who had two, one had been abused prior to him owning it. He warned me not to touch the beagle or let the dogs near it because it mauled his arm. He had a massive scar from it. Also, why on walks with our dogs, my husband and I frequently had an angry and aggressive beagle growl, bark and dart at us. IF we got close enough, he probably would have bitten.

You really don't think any dog that is abused and mistreated an be aggressive? Then, you need to get your head out of the sand. I worked at a vet clinic for 4 years, I was never bitten by a pit. I was bitten by a dalmation, a rottie, chihuahua and a chow.

PP, it seems that you may be drawn to this breed because you too are relentless and almost irrational. The pit bull terrier is an overly aggressive dog that was BRED TO FIGHT AND KILL OTHER DOGS. What is there about that that you don't understand? Sure it can be a loving companion to a person or a family--why do you need to walk around with a loaded cannon? Your irrational devotion to such a dangerous breed is threat to other dog owners everywhere:
PIT BULL TERRIER

Is this breed good with other dogs in general?

The short answer is no. Developed for the purpose of fighting other dogs, most pit bulls are dog aggressive, at least to some degree. Some pit bulls will simply not tolerate any other dogs, regardless of sex. A few pit bulls will remain dog friendly their entire lives, but they are a minority.The majority of pit bulls are at least same sex aggressive and as adults will not do well with other dogs of the same sex or those that are "pushy" with them, although as pups they may get along fine (this can be very misleading to a novice pit bull owner). Pit bulls will commonly start developing signs of dog aggression between the ages of 8 months and 2 years, although it can develop at any age and can come on either gradually or quite suddenly. It is important to note that many pit bulls do not display the "typical" signs of dog aggression before a fight. They may not growl, bark, or posture at all, but simply alert and raise up on their toes. Owners of dog aggressive pit bulls learn to "read" their dogs and recognize the subtle signs indicating impending dog aggression. Training will not eliminate dog aggression in the pit bull but, when combined with responsibility and vigilance, training can bring these natural tendencies under control in on-leash situations. Where housemates are concerned, if one is a pit bull, extra care should be taken to prevent tension over food, desirable treats (like bones), and favored toys. These items are often "triggers" for spats or fights between dogs sharing the same house and owners should be very aware of them. This is also the reason that an adult pit bull should NOT be left alone with housemates or other dogs. Due to their fighting heritage, many pit bulls do not recognize signs of submission given by a dog they are fighting and, if they are unsupervised, the results can be disastrous. It should be noted that many breeds have dog aggressive tendencies, and leaving any such breed unsupervised with another dog, especially a dog of the same sex, can lead to a tragedy.

http://www.rescueeverydog.org/pitbull_breed.html

Ha - "loaded cannon" - you must work for the press! So dramatic!

Also, I LOVE how you selectively left out this information from this website:

Personality:
Pit bulls tend to be very dependent on their humans and crave love and attention.

On average, pit bulls tend to be very confident and outgoing dogs. However, their natural confidence can be eroded by severe abuse or long confinement with little human contact.

Is this breed good with children in general?
This breed tends to love all people, especially children. The only caution I would add is that, because they are very exuberant and energetic dogs, they can sometimes overwhelm very young children and accidentally bump them or knock them over, particularly when they are pups (under 2 years old).

Just so you know, I love all breeds. I defend pit bulls because they are amazing and are over represented and killed at an alarming rate in shelters. I am not irrational, just empathetic. Have you ever met a pit bull or owned one? Just wondering about your experience.

Anonymous wrote:I am not wasting my time watching a video. All I know is that every time I read of a dog killing a child, it is a fighting breed of dog. That is enough evidence for me.

There is no need for such a dangerous breed of dog to exist, other than for dogfighting purposes.

Anonymous wrote:The PP defender is completely off the reservation. There is no need for such a dangerous breed of dog to exist, other than for dogfighting purposes.

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Anonymous wrote:For those trying to say any dog can be aggressive, how many times do you read about beagles maiming or killing children?

I ADORE beagles. Actually, beagles and pit bulls are my two favorite breeds.That being said, I met a neighbor who had two, one had been abused prior to him owning it. He warned me not to touch the beagle or let the dogs near it because it mauled his arm. He had a massive scar from it. Also, why on walks with our dogs, my husband and I frequently had an angry and aggressive beagle growl, bark and dart at us. IF we got close enough, he probably would have bitten.

You really don't think any dog that is abused and mistreated an be aggressive? Then, you need to get your head out of the sand. I worked at a vet clinic for 4 years, I was never bitten by a pit. I was bitten by a dalmation, a rottie, chihuahua and a chow.

PP, it seems that you may be drawn to this breed because you too are relentless and almost irrational. The pit bull terrier is an overly aggressive dog that was BRED TO FIGHT AND KILL OTHER DOGS. What is there about that that you don't understand? Sure it can be a loving companion to a person or a family--why do you need to walk around with a loaded cannon? Your irrational devotion to such a dangerous breed is threat to other dog owners everywhere:
PIT BULL TERRIER

Is this breed good with other dogs in general?

The short answer is no. Developed for the purpose of fighting other dogs, most pit bulls are dog aggressive, at least to some degree. Some pit bulls will simply not tolerate any other dogs, regardless of sex. A few pit bulls will remain dog friendly their entire lives, but they are a minority.The majority of pit bulls are at least same sex aggressive and as adults will not do well with other dogs of the same sex or those that are "pushy" with them, although as pups they may get along fine (this can be very misleading to a novice pit bull owner). Pit bulls will commonly start developing signs of dog aggression between the ages of 8 months and 2 years, although it can develop at any age and can come on either gradually or quite suddenly. It is important to note that many pit bulls do not display the "typical" signs of dog aggression before a fight. They may not growl, bark, or posture at all, but simply alert and raise up on their toes. Owners of dog aggressive pit bulls learn to "read" their dogs and recognize the subtle signs indicating impending dog aggression. Training will not eliminate dog aggression in the pit bull but, when combined with responsibility and vigilance, training can bring these natural tendencies under control in on-leash situations. Where housemates are concerned, if one is a pit bull, extra care should be taken to prevent tension over food, desirable treats (like bones), and favored toys. These items are often "triggers" for spats or fights between dogs sharing the same house and owners should be very aware of them. This is also the reason that an adult pit bull should NOT be left alone with housemates or other dogs. Due to their fighting heritage, many pit bulls do not recognize signs of submission given by a dog they are fighting and, if they are unsupervised, the results can be disastrous. It should be noted that many breeds have dog aggressive tendencies, and leaving any such breed unsupervised with another dog, especially a dog of the same sex, can lead to a tragedy.

http://www.rescueeverydog.org/pitbull_breed.html

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Anonymous wrote:For those trying to say any dog can be aggressive, how many times do you read about beagles maiming or killing children?

I ADORE beagles. Actually, beagles and pit bulls are my two favorite breeds.That being said, I met a neighbor who had two, one had been abused prior to him owning it. He warned me not to touch the beagle or let the dogs near it because it mauled his arm. He had a massive scar from it. Also, why on walks with our dogs, my husband and I frequently had an angry and aggressive beagle growl, bark and dart at us. IF we got close enough, he probably would have bitten.

You really don't think any dog that is abused and mistreated an be aggressive? Then, you need to get your head out of the sand. I worked at a vet clinic for 4 years, I was never bitten by a pit. I was bitten by a dalmation, a rottie, chihuahua and a chow.

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Anonymous wrote:I have no issue with the existence of these types or dogs per se as pets however I think that given the size and strength of some dog breeds in general This could all be resolved with simple muzzle laws. If you'd ike to bring your pet out in public with other people then you have to offer the rest of us some certainty that we will be safe. Seems simple to me.

First, kudos to you for understanding people's right to own a dog and for not jumping on the ban them all bandwagon.

I'd just like to point out people think pit bulls are bigger than they are - usually 40-55 lbs. A standard golden is 55-75 lbs. Also, their jaw strength is less than that of the average dog:

Tests that have been done comparing the bite pressure of several
breeds showed pressure PSI (per square inch) to be considerably lower
than some wild estimates that have been made. Testing has shown that
the domestic dog averages about 320 lbs of pressure per square inch.
Recently Dr. Brady Barr of National Geographic conducted a comparative
test between a Pit Bull, a Rottweiler, and a German Shepherd. The Pit
Bull had the LOWEST PSI OF THE THREE.

The highest pressure recorded from the Pit Bull was 235 lbs PSI. The
highest from the GSD was 238, and the highest from the Rott was 328.
Dr. Barr states that as far as he knows, the PSI tested in the Rott is the
highest on record for any domestic canine.

Should a dog that is prone to bite or who has a bite history be muzzled in public? Absolutely. But, this needs to be on a case by case basis and not generalized to all of one type of dog. In public, my dogs have never bitten or attempted to bite a dog, but they have been bitten and attacked by chihuahuas, daschunds and a poodle mix. Even when my dogs were attacked, they did not fight back, they tried to run. In these cases, the other dogs were the ones that needed muzzles.

You know what the problem is with these numbers? All you need to rip someone's face off is 235 PSI...even less. So the question is, which dog is most likely to bite, second question is which one bite the hardest, i.e. which one kills instantly and which one needs to take two bites to sever a carotid artery.

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Anonymous wrote:Do you think a wolf could take a Pitt bull?

I think my pits would run away if an aggressive wolf came their way. If a daschund scares them, a wolf definitely would. I have no illusions that my dogs are wimps. I did not get them to have tough dogs.

Can Spiderman beat Superman?
Look even wimpy dogs can be a problem because they can lash out.

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Anonymous wrote:I have no issue with the existence of these types or dogs per se as pets however I think that given the size and strength of some dog breeds in general This could all be resolved with simple muzzle laws. If you'd ike to bring your pet out in public with other people then you have to offer the rest of us some certainty that we will be safe. Seems simple to me.

First, kudos to you for understanding people's right to own a dog and for not jumping on the ban them all bandwagon.

I'd just like to point out people think pit bulls are bigger than they are - usually 40-55 lbs. A standard golden is 55-75 lbs. Also, their jaw strength is less than that of the average dog:

Tests that have been done comparing the bite pressure of several
breeds showed pressure PSI (per square inch) to be considerably lower
than some wild estimates that have been made. Testing has shown that
the domestic dog averages about 320 lbs of pressure per square inch.
Recently Dr. Brady Barr of National Geographic conducted a comparative
test between a Pit Bull, a Rottweiler, and a German Shepherd. The Pit
Bull had the LOWEST PSI OF THE THREE.

The highest pressure recorded from the Pit Bull was 235 lbs PSI. The
highest from the GSD was 238, and the highest from the Rott was 328.
Dr. Barr states that as far as he knows, the PSI tested in the Rott is the
highest on record for any domestic canine.

Should a dog that is prone to bite or who has a bite history be muzzled in public? Absolutely. But, this needs to be on a case by case basis and not generalized to all of one type of dog. In public, my dogs have never bitten or attempted to bite a dog, but they have been bitten and attacked by chihuahuas, daschunds and a poodle mix. Even when my dogs were attacked, they did not fight back, they tried to run. In these cases, the other dogs were the ones that needed muzzles.

You know what the problem is with these numbers? All you need to rip someone's face off is 235 PSI...even less. So the question is, which dog is most likely to bite, second question is which one bite the hardest, i.e. which one kills instantly and which one needs to take two bites to sever a carotid artery.

And which dog is most likely to bite?

An untrained dog. Especially a male unneutered dog that has experienced being chained (chaining and not being neutered increases aggression). What is more likely to bite? An untrained unneutered male lab or a trained neutered (or female) pitbull? Again. Breed is not the determining factor.

Compare an untrained intact male lab to an untrained intact male pit bull...