Anonymous
Post 05/13/2013 08:02     Subject: Fairfax County GT/AAP Appeals.
Anyone made it in last year with an extremely low GBRS?


We did.
GBRS 6
Nnat 117
CogAt
Verbal 138, Quant 127, Nonverbal 125, Composite 134
Wisc IV
Verbal 136, Perceptual 123, Working Mem 104, Processing 118
Woodcock Johnson 96th percentile for Reading and Math


Did you turn in anything else besides the scores, such as strong recommendation letters or work samples? I'm on a similar boat here and would love to hear more from you. Can you post the composite for WISC? Also, what grade level did your DC score on WJ-III Math and Reading? Thanks.
Anonymous
Post 05/12/2013 14:44     Subject: Fairfax County GT/AAP Appeals.
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Is GBRS 6 too low to overcome? We have an appointment with Dr. Dalgren next week but just wanted to hear from you all about our dc's chances. In a what score range of the WISC does my dc needs to settle in to overcome that crazy GBRS? Thanks.


Anyone made it in last year with an extremely low GBRS?


We did.
GBRS 6
Nnat 117
CogAt
Verbal 138, Quant 127, Nonverbal 125, Composite 134
Wisc IV
Verbal 136, Perceptual 123, Working Mem 104, Processing 118
Woodcock Johnson 96th percentile for Reading and Math


Wow, that sounds just like what my DC needs. Thanks for posting. We at least have some hopes now. I just hope that my DC can focus and give 100% on the testing day.
Anonymous
Post 05/12/2013 14:21     Subject: Re:Fairfax County GT/AAP Appeals.
Anonymous wrote:I kinow one mom who tried three times to get her DD into AAP. And finally the kid got in. So keep trying. You will wear them down eventually!


^ should be I "know."
Anonymous
Post 05/12/2013 14:20     Subject: Re:Fairfax County GT/AAP Appeals.
I kinow one mom who tried three times to get her DD into AAP. And finally the kid got in. So keep trying. You will wear them down eventually!
Anonymous
Post 05/12/2013 13:49     Subject: Fairfax County GT/AAP Appeals.
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Is GBRS 6 too low to overcome? We have an appointment with Dr. Dalgren next week but just wanted to hear from you all about our dc's chances. In a what score range of the WISC does my dc needs to settle in to overcome that crazy GBRS? Thanks.


I agree, a wisc of over 140 or 145 would be necessary.


Wow.. that seems pretty high, but with GBRS 6 that might be the only bet. I guess I have to cross my finger for a top WISC score....

Anyone made it in last year with an extremely low GBRS?


We did.
GBRS 6
Nnat 117
CogAt
Verbal 138, Quant 127, Nonverbal 125, Composite 134
Wisc IV
Verbal 136, Perceptual 123, Working Mem 104, Processing 118
Woodcock Johnson 96th percentile for Reading and Math
Anonymous
Post 05/12/2013 07:44     Subject: Fairfax County GT/AAP Appeals.
125 will not overturn a 6. historically, 125 is below (just below) AAP in appeals. 128 is 50-50.

130+ would be needed. You can try.

It is also possible that PP's kid, with the GBRS of 6 and 125 WISC is not gifted.

You can complain about the high GBRS kids with lower test scores, but they do not test to hold back the class.
Anonymous
Post 05/12/2013 07:30     Subject: Fairfax County GT/AAP Appeals.
Anonymous wrote:Disagree. A wisc of 125 would not overturn a GBRS of 6. A GBRS means that the student got at least one 1 on the GBRS commentary sheet. Remember the GBRS, this student could have gotten 1,1,1,3 or some other combination. The default for almost any student in gen ed would be a 1,1,1,1 or 4. So I think a high wisc would be necessary. just my opinion.


The reason a 125 might overturn a GBRS of 6 is it shows the committee that the GBRS is not accurate because the NNAT, FxAT, and WISC all contradict the GBRS. Teachers are humans and there are a lot of kids in each classroom so a teacher could misjudge a child if they haven't had enough one on one time with the child, especially a quiet child who doesn't participate much in class.
Anonymous
Post 05/11/2013 23:05     Subject: Re:Fairfax County GT/AAP Appeals.
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Does anyone else's school have their local committee assign the GBRS to in pool candidates first, before referrals are even due, and then the referrals only after they get referred? Seems like with this method, referred students already have bias against them since the teachers know they didn't make the pool.


This is the methodology outlined for schools by the AAP office. They do the in pool kids once they know who they are (late January), then they do the referrals after all the referrals come in by the Feb 8th date. They do it like this every year.

Here is the link which is on boarddocs. The pool kids GBRS are done by 2/8 and the referral kids are done by 3/1. All of the teachers know the scores when they come out and also who is in the pool in January. So I don't think the timing makes any bias. Probably the scores speak for themselves.

http://www.boarddocs.com/vsba/fairfax/Board.nsf/files/8XZS6F70FB55/$file/N2401.2012.pdf


Thanks for the information.
Anonymous
Post 05/11/2013 23:01     Subject: Re:Fairfax County GT/AAP Appeals.
How about WISC 140 and GBRS 8? How does that look?
Anonymous
Post 05/11/2013 21:35     Subject: Fairfax County GT/AAP Appeals.
Really? Definitely appeal!!
Anonymous
Post 05/11/2013 18:45     Subject: Fairfax County GT/AAP Appeals.
Disagree. A wisc of 125 would not overturn a GBRS of 6. A GBRS means that the student got at least one 1 on the GBRS commentary sheet. Remember the GBRS, this student could have gotten 1,1,1,3 or some other combination. The default for almost any student in gen ed would be a 1,1,1,1 or 4. So I think a high wisc would be necessary. just my opinion.
Anonymous
Post 05/11/2013 18:43     Subject: Fairfax County GT/AAP Appeals.
Anonymous wrote:

Anyone made it in last year with an extremely low GBRS?


The average GBRS of a center-eligible student has historically been 12.
Anonymous
Post 05/11/2013 18:43     Subject: Fairfax County GT/AAP Appeals.
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Is GBRS 6 too low to overcome? We have an appointment with Dr. Dalgren next week but just wanted to hear from you all about our dc's chances. In a what score range of the WISC does my dc needs to settle in to overcome that crazy GBRS? Thanks.


I agree, a wisc of over 140 or 145 would be necessary.


Wow.. that seems pretty high, but with GBRS 6 that might be the only bet. I guess I have to cross my finger for a top WISC score....

Anyone made it in last year with an extremely low GBRS?
Anonymous
Post 05/11/2013 18:37     Subject: Re:Fairfax County GT/AAP Appeals.
PP, that is total BS. WISC of 125 or above will probably be sufficient.
Anonymous
Post 05/11/2013 18:33     Subject: Fairfax County GT/AAP Appeals.
Anonymous wrote:Is GBRS 6 too low to overcome? We have an appointment with Dr. Dalgren next week but just wanted to hear from you all about our dc's chances. In a what score range of the WISC does my dc needs to settle in to overcome that crazy GBRS? Thanks.


I agree, a wisc of over 140 or 145 would be necessary.