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Anonymous wrote:Reports are coming from several different country officials:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/may/22/gaza-flotilla-activists-allege-sexual-assault-and-in-israeli-detention

The Jewish people I know are some of the kindest people I know with a strong sense of moral clarity. And yet they seem to reflexively protect Israel. When you see stories like this (and many others), it is hard to understand how they are managing the cognitive dissonance. Israel seems like it’s governed by a bunch of thugs.

Agree. American Jews have been at the forefront of civil rights and fighting for the underdog and generally against evil. I feel like this reflexive embrace of Israel makes them lose the moral high ground they have always and justly occupied.

Israel is very important to many of us, just like fighting for the underdog in America is. I don't suppose anyone not Jewish will understand that. I look at the long arc of history and know in my bones that there is one place in the world whose sole purpose is to protect *me.* America? Hardly. It wasn't that long ago that the St. Louis was turned away in the water and Jews were sent to their deaths. And now? Yeah, right, I trust Trump and his jackboot thugs to keep me safe. And with Democrats like Maureen Galindo who want to put "Zionists" in camps, the left is barely better.

Warts and all, Israel was created to enable Jews to survive and flourish and get us back to our roots that reach back thousands of years, despite the haters claiming that tie doesn't exist. (There has been much ancient Hebrew found during archeological digs.) Don't forget that many of us have relatives in Israel. I do. I've been there. I know these people. They, like most of us, want Netanyahu out and peace for everyone. No one enjoys having their lives disrupted the way they have been.

We are waiting for principled leadership in Israel much as most of us are waiting for principled leadership of the U.S. But we will not abandon our ancestral homeland and its people to score political points--not happening.

That's fine and very understandable. However, so far the US has spent about $300 Billion supporting Israel. And the Israel of today is not the Israel of yore. Netanyahu and his government of ultra-orthodox thugs just killed 85,000 mostly innocent people in Gaza, invaded Lebanon and sent another 1 million people fleeing for their lives, sent 700,000 religious zealots in to the West Bank to take more land and terrorize people, and launched a major with the Iran, which has caused chaos and the US to expend an enormous percentage of its most advanced munitions. We literally just used half of all our THAAD interceptors - what we use to defend against a nuclear attack - to protect Israel while not being able to protect our own bases in the Gulf.

You have to ask, why is the US spending such an enormous amount of money and resources to fight for a tiny but extremely belligerent country of no strategic relevance to the US? It's not 1948 anymore. There is no justification for this in 2026. And that's not a left or right issue. Pretty much everyone under 50 thinks the massive amount of money and military resources we spend on Israel is nuts.

PP: Israel actually is of very important strategic relevance to us. That you don't understand that undercuts other claims you made, many of which are false or exaggerated.

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People like the PP seem unwilling or unable to admit just how valuable Israel is to us. They are a hugely advanced source of intelligence in the Middle East - cutting edge, in fact. Apparently the PP is ignorant of that fact and so many others.

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Anonymous wrote:PP: Great. You all do you. Several posters here were wondering why empathetic Jewish people (liberals, most of us) support Israel and I answered. You don't have to like my answer or agree with us. Ta.

How “empathetic” are you if you are ok with the genocide and destruction of the Palestinian people? Are you actually as liberal and moral as you thought you were?

Oh, honey. I've marched and donated and held calls to action and put my body on the line in more ways than one to garner support for progressives and for vulnerable people. That was my life. So while I have empathy for the truly innocent of Gaza, I think our definition of truly innocent will differ. I know what evil looks like, and it's those in Gaza who came out in the streets to cheer broken Israeli bodies being paraded around. And who held innocent hostages in their apartments. And who praised their sons who killed as many Jews as possible. And in America and the rest of the West....well, thanks to the reaction of so-called progressives after October 7, I now know that no one is empathetic toward me and my people. They wanted Israelis to lay down their weapons as the hostages were still being tortured underground.

Do you empathize with the still-displaced and emotionally and physically scarred Israelis and the traumatized populace there? Because there's plenty of suffering there to go around.

I’ll take that long-winded reply as a no.

You can rely on anecdotes about Palestinians but the wholesale dehumanization of the Palestinians no longer moves the needle.

The Israeli state itself is going all-in on apartheid. It has designated the death penalty for only Palestinians.

There’s no excuse for supporting Israel.

And you’re free to not support it.

Don't pretend that you are "progressive" or support "vulnerable people" while supporting a belligerent apartheid state that is trying to destroy the middle east.

Oh, good Lord, I left the “progressives” two years ago when I realized they’re all about hate and resentment.

Sorry, when you support the annihilation of the Palestinian people and then turn around and complain about "hate and resentment," in the progressive movement, you're giving Progressives credibility.

#Palestinians are people

Hamas are Palestinians, no? And they are very much NOT people. They are the monsters, demons, and ghouls you love to rant about. Eliminate Hamas and maybe the Palestinians who don’t support them will have a chance.
DP

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Anonymous wrote:PP: Great. You all do you. Several posters here were wondering why empathetic Jewish people (liberals, most of us) support Israel and I answered. You don't have to like my answer or agree with us. Ta.

How “empathetic” are you if you are ok with the genocide and destruction of the Palestinian people? Are you actually as liberal and moral as you thought you were?

Oh, honey. I've marched and donated and held calls to action and put my body on the line in more ways than one to garner support for progressives and for vulnerable people. That was my life. So while I have empathy for the truly innocent of Gaza, I think our definition of truly innocent will differ. I know what evil looks like, and it's those in Gaza who came out in the streets to cheer broken Israeli bodies being paraded around. And who held innocent hostages in their apartments. And who praised their sons who killed as many Jews as possible. And in America and the rest of the West....well, thanks to the reaction of so-called progressives after October 7, I now know that no one is empathetic toward me and my people. They wanted Israelis to lay down their weapons as the hostages were still being tortured underground.

Do you empathize with the still-displaced and emotionally and physically scarred Israelis and the traumatized populace there? Because there's plenty of suffering there to go around.

I’ll take that long-winded reply as a no.

You can rely on anecdotes about Palestinians but the wholesale dehumanization of the Palestinians no longer moves the needle.

The Israeli state itself is going all-in on apartheid. It has designated the death penalty for only Palestinians.

There’s no excuse for supporting Israel.

And you’re free to not support it.

Don't pretend that you are "progressive" or support "vulnerable people" while supporting a belligerent apartheid state that is trying to destroy Islamic extremism.

DP. FIFY. At least be accurate and admit you support Islamic terrorism.

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Anonymous wrote:The difference between China Syria etc. and Israel is that China does not have to lock half of the population in an open air prison in order to remain as China.

Wow, could you be more ignorant (and hypocritical)?

Uyghur ethnic persecution by the People's Republic of China is one of the most extensively documented contemporary human rights crises. Since approximately 2017, China has implemented a system of mass arbitrary detention, surveillance, forced labour, restrictions on religious practice, family separation, and cultural erasure targeting Uyghurs, Kazakhs, and other predominantly Muslim Turkic peoples in the Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region (XUAR). Furthermore, the UN High Commissioner for Human Rights' August 2022 assessment concluded that the violations may amount to crimes against humanity. The US, UK Parliament, and Canadian Parliament have determined the conduct constitutes genocide. As a result, Uyghur asylum claims are among the most evidentially robust under the Refugee Convention.

Beyond detention, China is engaged in a systematic effort to erase Uyghur culture. Policies include: destruction of mosques (estimated 16,000 destroyed or damaged according to ASPI); banning of Uyghur-language education; forced separation of children from parents (residential boarding schools mandated for children whose parents are detained); restrictions on Uyghur naming practices; mandated use of Mandarin; replacement of Uyghur cultural symbols. Furthermore, traditional shrines and historical sites have been bulldozed. As a result, the cultural foundation of Uyghur identity is being systematically dismantled. Therefore, the persecution targets not only individuals but the existence of the Uyghur people as a distinct community.[5]

Uyghur ethnic persecution is among the most documented and internationally condemned human rights crises today. The combination of mass detention, cultural erasure, family separation, forced labour, and forced sterilisation has generated UN, parliamentary, and tribunal findings that include genocide and crimes against humanity. As a result, Uyghur asylum claims should be granted on a presumption of protection. Therefore, refusal of Uyghur claims is rarely defensible — and where it occurs, appeal success is highly likely.

https://thehuman-rights.com/uyghurs-china-systematic-detention-cultural-erasure/

What is this called again in rhetorical terms?

Oh yes, WHATABOUTISM.

We are not talking about China. We are not giving weapons to China.

We are propping up the monstrous fake nation of Israel.

Why won't you answer the question, which was: why do you obsessively call out Israel but never China or Syria?

I answered you multiple times but I guess someone so thoroughly indoctrinated has reading difficulties.

WE CALL OUT ISRAEL BECAUSE WE ARE PAYING FOR ISRAEL WITH OUR TAX MONEY.

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Anonymous wrote:The difference between China Syria etc. and Israel is that China does not have to lock half of the population in an open air prison in order to remain as China.

Wow, could you be more ignorant (and hypocritical)?

Uyghur ethnic persecution by the People's Republic of China is one of the most extensively documented contemporary human rights crises. Since approximately 2017, China has implemented a system of mass arbitrary detention, surveillance, forced labour, restrictions on religious practice, family separation, and cultural erasure targeting Uyghurs, Kazakhs, and other predominantly Muslim Turkic peoples in the Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region (XUAR). Furthermore, the UN High Commissioner for Human Rights' August 2022 assessment concluded that the violations may amount to crimes against humanity. The US, UK Parliament, and Canadian Parliament have determined the conduct constitutes genocide. As a result, Uyghur asylum claims are among the most evidentially robust under the Refugee Convention.

Beyond detention, China is engaged in a systematic effort to erase Uyghur culture. Policies include: destruction of mosques (estimated 16,000 destroyed or damaged according to ASPI); banning of Uyghur-language education; forced separation of children from parents (residential boarding schools mandated for children whose parents are detained); restrictions on Uyghur naming practices; mandated use of Mandarin; replacement of Uyghur cultural symbols. Furthermore, traditional shrines and historical sites have been bulldozed. As a result, the cultural foundation of Uyghur identity is being systematically dismantled. Therefore, the persecution targets not only individuals but the existence of the Uyghur people as a distinct community.[5]

Uyghur ethnic persecution is among the most documented and internationally condemned human rights crises today. The combination of mass detention, cultural erasure, family separation, forced labour, and forced sterilisation has generated UN, parliamentary, and tribunal findings that include genocide and crimes against humanity. As a result, Uyghur asylum claims should be granted on a presumption of protection. Therefore, refusal of Uyghur claims is rarely defensible — and where it occurs, appeal success is highly likely.

https://thehuman-rights.com/uyghurs-china-systematic-detention-cultural-erasure/

What is this called again in rhetorical terms?

Oh yes, WHATABOUTISM.

We are not talking about China. We are not giving weapons to China.

We are propping up the monstrous fake nation of Israel.

Why won't you answer the question, which was: why do you obsessively call out Israel but never China or Syria?

I answered you multiple times but I guess someone so thoroughly indoctrinated has reading difficulties.

WE CALL OUT ISRAEL BECAUSE WE ARE PAYING FOR ISRAEL WITH OUR TAX MONEY.

Sure. That must be it.

Sorry that you have no defense left for the ethnic cleansing Israel engages in. You are backed into a corner and that’s only your fault.

"Ethnic cleansing"? Good grief. Now tell us how outraged you are about the *actual* ethnic cleansing of Uyghurs in China. But you won't because you couldn't care less. Selective outrage in action.

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Anonymous wrote:The difference between China Syria etc. and Israel is that China does not have to lock half of the population in an open air prison in order to remain as China.

Wow, could you be more ignorant (and hypocritical)?

Uyghur ethnic persecution by the People's Republic of China is one of the most extensively documented contemporary human rights crises. Since approximately 2017, China has implemented a system of mass arbitrary detention, surveillance, forced labour, restrictions on religious practice, family separation, and cultural erasure targeting Uyghurs, Kazakhs, and other predominantly Muslim Turkic peoples in the Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region (XUAR). Furthermore, the UN High Commissioner for Human Rights' August 2022 assessment concluded that the violations may amount to crimes against humanity. The US, UK Parliament, and Canadian Parliament have determined the conduct constitutes genocide. As a result, Uyghur asylum claims are among the most evidentially robust under the Refugee Convention.

Beyond detention, China is engaged in a systematic effort to erase Uyghur culture. Policies include: destruction of mosques (estimated 16,000 destroyed or damaged according to ASPI); banning of Uyghur-language education; forced separation of children from parents (residential boarding schools mandated for children whose parents are detained); restrictions on Uyghur naming practices; mandated use of Mandarin; replacement of Uyghur cultural symbols. Furthermore, traditional shrines and historical sites have been bulldozed. As a result, the cultural foundation of Uyghur identity is being systematically dismantled. Therefore, the persecution targets not only individuals but the existence of the Uyghur people as a distinct community.[5]

Uyghur ethnic persecution is among the most documented and internationally condemned human rights crises today. The combination of mass detention, cultural erasure, family separation, forced labour, and forced sterilisation has generated UN, parliamentary, and tribunal findings that include genocide and crimes against humanity. As a result, Uyghur asylum claims should be granted on a presumption of protection. Therefore, refusal of Uyghur claims is rarely defensible — and where it occurs, appeal success is highly likely.

https://thehuman-rights.com/uyghurs-china-systematic-detention-cultural-erasure/

What is this called again in rhetorical terms?

Oh yes, WHATABOUTISM.

We are not talking about China. We are not giving weapons to China.

We are propping up the monstrous fake nation of Israel.

Why won't you answer the question, which was: why do you obsessively call out Israel but never China or Syria?

I answered you multiple times but I guess someone so thoroughly indoctrinated has reading difficulties.

WE CALL OUT ISRAEL BECAUSE WE ARE PAYING FOR ISRAEL WITH OUR TAX MONEY.

Sure. That must be it.

Sorry that you have no defense left for the ethnic cleansing Israel engages in. You are backed into a corner and that’s only your fault.

"Ethnic cleansing"? Good grief. Now tell us how outraged you are about the *actual* ethnic cleansing of Uyghurs in China. But you won't because you couldn't care less. Selective outrage in action.

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Anonymous wrote:The difference between China Syria etc. and Israel is that China does not have to lock half of the population in an open air prison in order to remain as China.

Wow, could you be more ignorant (and hypocritical)?

Uyghur ethnic persecution by the People's Republic of China is one of the most extensively documented contemporary human rights crises. Since approximately 2017, China has implemented a system of mass arbitrary detention, surveillance, forced labour, restrictions on religious practice, family separation, and cultural erasure targeting Uyghurs, Kazakhs, and other predominantly Muslim Turkic peoples in the Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region (XUAR). Furthermore, the UN High Commissioner for Human Rights' August 2022 assessment concluded that the violations may amount to crimes against humanity. The US, UK Parliament, and Canadian Parliament have determined the conduct constitutes genocide. As a result, Uyghur asylum claims are among the most evidentially robust under the Refugee Convention.

Beyond detention, China is engaged in a systematic effort to erase Uyghur culture. Policies include: destruction of mosques (estimated 16,000 destroyed or damaged according to ASPI); banning of Uyghur-language education; forced separation of children from parents (residential boarding schools mandated for children whose parents are detained); restrictions on Uyghur naming practices; mandated use of Mandarin; replacement of Uyghur cultural symbols. Furthermore, traditional shrines and historical sites have been bulldozed. As a result, the cultural foundation of Uyghur identity is being systematically dismantled. Therefore, the persecution targets not only individuals but the existence of the Uyghur people as a distinct community.[5]

Uyghur ethnic persecution is among the most documented and internationally condemned human rights crises today. The combination of mass detention, cultural erasure, family separation, forced labour, and forced sterilisation has generated UN, parliamentary, and tribunal findings that include genocide and crimes against humanity. As a result, Uyghur asylum claims should be granted on a presumption of protection. Therefore, refusal of Uyghur claims is rarely defensible — and where it occurs, appeal success is highly likely.

https://thehuman-rights.com/uyghurs-china-systematic-detention-cultural-erasure/

What is this called again in rhetorical terms?

Oh yes, WHATABOUTISM.

We are not talking about China. We are not giving weapons to China.

We are propping up the monstrous fake nation of Israel.

Why won't you answer the question, which was: why do you obsessively call out Israel but never China or Syria?

I answered you multiple times but I guess someone so thoroughly indoctrinated has reading difficulties.

WE CALL OUT ISRAEL BECAUSE WE ARE PAYING FOR ISRAEL WITH OUR TAX MONEY.

Sure. That must be it.

Sorry that you have no defense left for the ethnic cleansing Israel engages in. You are backed into a corner and that’s only your fault.

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Anonymous wrote:The difference between China Syria etc. and Israel is that China does not have to lock half of the population in an open air prison in order to remain as China.

Wow, could you be more ignorant (and hypocritical)?

Uyghur ethnic persecution by the People's Republic of China is one of the most extensively documented contemporary human rights crises. Since approximately 2017, China has implemented a system of mass arbitrary detention, surveillance, forced labour, restrictions on religious practice, family separation, and cultural erasure targeting Uyghurs, Kazakhs, and other predominantly Muslim Turkic peoples in the Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region (XUAR). Furthermore, the UN High Commissioner for Human Rights' August 2022 assessment concluded that the violations may amount to crimes against humanity. The US, UK Parliament, and Canadian Parliament have determined the conduct constitutes genocide. As a result, Uyghur asylum claims are among the most evidentially robust under the Refugee Convention.

Beyond detention, China is engaged in a systematic effort to erase Uyghur culture. Policies include: destruction of mosques (estimated 16,000 destroyed or damaged according to ASPI); banning of Uyghur-language education; forced separation of children from parents (residential boarding schools mandated for children whose parents are detained); restrictions on Uyghur naming practices; mandated use of Mandarin; replacement of Uyghur cultural symbols. Furthermore, traditional shrines and historical sites have been bulldozed. As a result, the cultural foundation of Uyghur identity is being systematically dismantled. Therefore, the persecution targets not only individuals but the existence of the Uyghur people as a distinct community.[5]

Uyghur ethnic persecution is among the most documented and internationally condemned human rights crises today. The combination of mass detention, cultural erasure, family separation, forced labour, and forced sterilisation has generated UN, parliamentary, and tribunal findings that include genocide and crimes against humanity. As a result, Uyghur asylum claims should be granted on a presumption of protection. Therefore, refusal of Uyghur claims is rarely defensible — and where it occurs, appeal success is highly likely.

https://thehuman-rights.com/uyghurs-china-systematic-detention-cultural-erasure/

What is this called again in rhetorical terms?

Oh yes, WHATABOUTISM.

We are not talking about China. We are not giving weapons to China.

We are propping up the monstrous fake nation of Israel.

Why won't you answer the question, which was: why do you obsessively call out Israel but never China or Syria?

I answered you multiple times but I guess someone so thoroughly indoctrinated has reading difficulties.

WE CALL OUT ISRAEL BECAUSE WE ARE PAYING FOR ISRAEL WITH OUR TAX MONEY.

Sure. That must be it.

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Anonymous wrote:Wow, it's been busy since I stepped away to enjoy myself with friends last night. Doesn't anyone have holiday plans?

I'm the poster from yesterday who explained in a nuanced (thank you, PP, for acknowledging this!) way why I, as an American Jew, support Israel. It may shock you to learn that I am nauseated by the actions of the violent settlers and also by Ben-Gvir and his minions just as I am by the January 6th thugs and Trump. That doesn't negate my attachment to Israel and its people. Do you demand of the Chinese people on this site that they renounce China due to its treatment of the Uyghurs? How about Russian posters--are they allowed to have warm feelings toward their homeland and their relatives or must they sever ties because of Putin? How about the Syrians here? Hungarians? You see how silly that all sounds?

Anyway, you can keep at each other's throats if you like. I'll be finishing my application for a volunteer program in the Holy Land later this year and enjoying a good Mary Gaitskill novel and some chocolate. Peace to everyone.

DP. Funny, I just wrote something similar. It is funny, isn't it, how other countries receive a completely different reaction when they commit atrocities. The hypocrisy is so blatant it's palpable.

Also, are you admitting that Israel engages in genocide but we just shouldn’t worry about it because all countries do bad stuff???

Nope. I'm asking you a very simple question which you continue to dance around. Why do you obsessively call out Israeli atrocities but ignore China and Syria's atrocities?

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Anonymous wrote:Wow, it's been busy since I stepped away to enjoy myself with friends last night. Doesn't anyone have holiday plans?

I'm the poster from yesterday who explained in a nuanced (thank you, PP, for acknowledging this!) way why I, as an American Jew, support Israel. It may shock you to learn that I am nauseated by the actions of the violent settlers and also by Ben-Gvir and his minions just as I am by the January 6th thugs and Trump. That doesn't negate my attachment to Israel and its people. Do you demand of the Chinese people on this site that they renounce China due to its treatment of the Uyghurs? How about Russian posters--are they allowed to have warm feelings toward their homeland and their relatives or must they sever ties because of Putin? How about the Syrians here? Hungarians? You see how silly that all sounds?

Anyway, you can keep at each other's throats if you like. I'll be finishing my application for a volunteer program in the Holy Land later this year and enjoying a good Mary Gaitskill novel and some chocolate. Peace to everyone.

these are all countries; Israel is a fake country that only continues because of apartheid

This is the response of someone who has absolutely no intelligent rebuttal to the PP's question. Thanks for showing us how utterly ridiculous you are.

Actually Israel is a fake country being propped up by a policy of apartheid and ethnic cleansing- without these crimes against humanity it would no longer be a “Jewish” state and would be thrown into chaos, a situation that the Israelis manufactured for themselves. Which part of that do you disagree with?

We know that you like to believe Israel is a "fake country," but those of us living in reality know that it is very much real. There's no point arguing with someone who creates a fantasy world to bolster her skewed narrative.

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Anonymous wrote:The difference between China Syria etc. and Israel is that China does not have to lock half of the population in an open air prison in order to remain as China.

Wow, could you be more ignorant (and hypocritical)?

Uyghur ethnic persecution by the People's Republic of China is one of the most extensively documented contemporary human rights crises. Since approximately 2017, China has implemented a system of mass arbitrary detention, surveillance, forced labour, restrictions on religious practice, family separation, and cultural erasure targeting Uyghurs, Kazakhs, and other predominantly Muslim Turkic peoples in the Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region (XUAR). Furthermore, the UN High Commissioner for Human Rights' August 2022 assessment concluded that the violations may amount to crimes against humanity. The US, UK Parliament, and Canadian Parliament have determined the conduct constitutes genocide. As a result, Uyghur asylum claims are among the most evidentially robust under the Refugee Convention.

Beyond detention, China is engaged in a systematic effort to erase Uyghur culture. Policies include: destruction of mosques (estimated 16,000 destroyed or damaged according to ASPI); banning of Uyghur-language education; forced separation of children from parents (residential boarding schools mandated for children whose parents are detained); restrictions on Uyghur naming practices; mandated use of Mandarin; replacement of Uyghur cultural symbols. Furthermore, traditional shrines and historical sites have been bulldozed. As a result, the cultural foundation of Uyghur identity is being systematically dismantled. Therefore, the persecution targets not only individuals but the existence of the Uyghur people as a distinct community.[5]

Uyghur ethnic persecution is among the most documented and internationally condemned human rights crises today. The combination of mass detention, cultural erasure, family separation, forced labour, and forced sterilisation has generated UN, parliamentary, and tribunal findings that include genocide and crimes against humanity. As a result, Uyghur asylum claims should be granted on a presumption of protection. Therefore, refusal of Uyghur claims is rarely defensible — and where it occurs, appeal success is highly likely.

https://thehuman-rights.com/uyghurs-china-systematic-detention-cultural-erasure/

What is this called again in rhetorical terms?

Oh yes, WHATABOUTISM.

We are not talking about China. We are not giving weapons to China.

We are propping up the monstrous fake nation of Israel.

Why won't you answer the question, which was: why do you obsessively call out Israel but never China or Syria?

I answered you multiple times but I guess someone so thoroughly indoctrinated has reading difficulties.

WE CALL OUT ISRAEL BECAUSE WE ARE PAYING FOR ISRAEL WITH OUR TAX MONEY.

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Anonymous wrote:Wow, it's been busy since I stepped away to enjoy myself with friends last night. Doesn't anyone have holiday plans?

I'm the poster from yesterday who explained in a nuanced (thank you, PP, for acknowledging this!) way why I, as an American Jew, support Israel. It may shock you to learn that I am nauseated by the actions of the violent settlers and also by Ben-Gvir and his minions just as I am by the January 6th thugs and Trump. That doesn't negate my attachment to Israel and its people. Do you demand of the Chinese people on this site that they renounce China due to its treatment of the Uyghurs? How about Russian posters--are they allowed to have warm feelings toward their homeland and their relatives or must they sever ties because of Putin? How about the Syrians here? Hungarians? You see how silly that all sounds?

Anyway, you can keep at each other's throats if you like. I'll be finishing my application for a volunteer program in the Holy Land later this year and enjoying a good Mary Gaitskill novel and some chocolate. Peace to everyone.

DP. Funny, I just wrote something similar. It is funny, isn't it, how other countries receive a completely different reaction when they commit atrocities. The hypocrisy is so blatant it's palpable.

Also, are you admitting that Israel engages in genocide but we just shouldn’t worry about it because all countries do bad stuff???

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Anonymous wrote:The difference between China Syria etc. and Israel is that China does not have to lock half of the population in an open air prison in order to remain as China.

Wow, could you be more ignorant (and hypocritical)?

Uyghur ethnic persecution by the People's Republic of China is one of the most extensively documented contemporary human rights crises. Since approximately 2017, China has implemented a system of mass arbitrary detention, surveillance, forced labour, restrictions on religious practice, family separation, and cultural erasure targeting Uyghurs, Kazakhs, and other predominantly Muslim Turkic peoples in the Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region (XUAR). Furthermore, the UN High Commissioner for Human Rights' August 2022 assessment concluded that the violations may amount to crimes against humanity. The US, UK Parliament, and Canadian Parliament have determined the conduct constitutes genocide. As a result, Uyghur asylum claims are among the most evidentially robust under the Refugee Convention.

Beyond detention, China is engaged in a systematic effort to erase Uyghur culture. Policies include: destruction of mosques (estimated 16,000 destroyed or damaged according to ASPI); banning of Uyghur-language education; forced separation of children from parents (residential boarding schools mandated for children whose parents are detained); restrictions on Uyghur naming practices; mandated use of Mandarin; replacement of Uyghur cultural symbols. Furthermore, traditional shrines and historical sites have been bulldozed. As a result, the cultural foundation of Uyghur identity is being systematically dismantled. Therefore, the persecution targets not only individuals but the existence of the Uyghur people as a distinct community.[5]

Uyghur ethnic persecution is among the most documented and internationally condemned human rights crises today. The combination of mass detention, cultural erasure, family separation, forced labour, and forced sterilisation has generated UN, parliamentary, and tribunal findings that include genocide and crimes against humanity. As a result, Uyghur asylum claims should be granted on a presumption of protection. Therefore, refusal of Uyghur claims is rarely defensible — and where it occurs, appeal success is highly likely.

https://thehuman-rights.com/uyghurs-china-systematic-detention-cultural-erasure/

What is this called again in rhetorical terms?

Oh yes, WHATABOUTISM.

We are not talking about China. We are not giving weapons to China.

We are propping up the monstrous fake nation of Israel.

Why won't you answer the question, which was: why do you obsessively call out Israel but never China or Syria?